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Subject: Reporting abuse starting to irritate me

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I'm sure most of B.net is aware of the infamous thread in the Reach forum where I harshly presented my opinion, which subsequently resulted in a controversial mass of debate and criticism. The discussion was pretty intense, but after a few pages the OP had been falsely reported and the thread took a direction for the worst. I meant no harm when I posted the thread, yet I can understand why some posters may have felt offended.

When the OP was uncensored the following day, I was going to edit it and make it a little more constructive. To my dismay, I was unable to edit the post because it had been previously reported. When I try to edit it, I am graced by an error page instead. This is the second time this has happened to me, and to be quite honest it's getting to be really ridiculous.

The Reach forum in general is having a very difficult time differentiating from criticism (however harsh it may be) and trolling. This is giving posters like me who delight in discussing controversial topics a very hard time. Not only is it challenging for us to discuss our opinions without being deemed 'haters' or 'trolls', but now we're also being reported and ganged-up on and we're running the risk of bans. Somebody has to draw a line here--at what point is criticism considered too much? Conversely, at what point will the defensive support and praise from avid fans of Bungie and Reach be recognized for organized trolling and borderline spam?

Why can't we just discuss our opinions without pages and pages of the thread being about the posters therein rather than the topic presented? I'm beginning to wonder if alts should be encouraged, as sometimes it is the only way to discuss something without the topic being judged by its poster.

[Edited on 06.27.2011 9:58 PM PDT]

  • 06.27.2011 9:55 PM PDT

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Your thread looked like a typical troll thread. It's hard to distinguish what your post was when there are so many trolls posting threads that are similar in nature to yours.

  • 06.27.2011 10:03 PM PDT

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The community here does not really care for criticism or anything that they do not appreciate. Trying to have a logical discussion in the Reach forum, is very hard to do unfortunately. I have read your post (which is very well written I may add) and I see no reason as to why it was reported. Nothing was considered trolling to me at all, just personal opinion. It was not what people wanted to hear though, and I am sure they did not read it word for word without raging in their minds. Whether someone agrees or disagrees that is their choice but they should construct well written and proper responses to someones query/opinion.

The users here primarily use this as a rage hub or blog and will rant amongst themselves rather than provide constructive feedback. There are a select few users, however; that provide decent responses to said threads. Alas I feel your pain but there is nothing we can do.

[Edited on 06.27.2011 10:08 PM PDT]

  • 06.27.2011 10:04 PM PDT

ISU Cyclones!

The Reach forum is pretty much gained its reputation of blind bashing or blind defending so the logical thought threads from either side will always be swallowed up by one of the two aforementioned groups.

Optimatch tends to get a bit more constructive feedback although there still is a very strong "everything sucks" group that rears its head there quite often. But at least you can get a bit more civility out of it compared to the Reach forum.

Just be careful not to turn it into a type of "Why I'm disappointed in Reach" type thread, make the constructive criticism stand out more than how disappointed you are otherwise it's

1) Annoying
2) Probably breaking the "no blog-ish" post rule
and 3) If the thing standing out most is "I don't like this" then it's just another one of those threads. The constructive criticism really has to stand out.

  • 06.27.2011 10:10 PM PDT
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All you do now is start flame wars. You're just like every other troll.

  • 06.27.2011 10:16 PM PDT
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.Posted by: nightspark
All you do now is start flame wars. You're just like every other troll.
I can't honestly say I have ever seen the gent post before, but from what I can see by viewing his profile I'd have to conclude that he's had a bit of a ban history.

OP: Why not take your topics elsewhere if it's that much of a problem? By elsewhere, I mean perhaps a private group that suits your needs.

[Edited on 06.27.2011 10:31 PM PDT]

  • 06.27.2011 10:17 PM PDT

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Posted by: nightspark
All you do now is start flame wars. You're just like every other troll.
I actually enjoy what Goat posts :>

  • 06.27.2011 10:19 PM PDT
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-edit-

I didn't mean to create new post. This was supposed to go in the other one

[Edited on 06.27.2011 10:26 PM PDT]

  • 06.27.2011 10:25 PM PDT

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I think you need to prefix or suffix posts like that with more "in my opinion"-type statements.

I agree with what you said, but that's still your (and my) opinion and, clearly, a lot of people hold the opposite opinion. If people on these forums had a decent average level of maturity, respect, intelligence, common sense, etc. you wouldn't need to do that.

When posting in the Reach forum, the scum of Bnet, you can't expect much.

[Edited on 06.28.2011 10:41 AM PDT]

  • 06.27.2011 10:42 PM PDT

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.Posted by: nightspark
All you do now is start flame wars. You're just like every other troll.
I can't honestly say I have ever seen the gent post before, but from what I can see by viewing his profile I'd have to conclude that he's had a bit of a ban history.


I haven't been banned since last March because I don't troll.

[Edited on 06.27.2011 10:48 PM PDT]

  • 06.27.2011 10:48 PM PDT

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That seems a fair point, it IS annoying how people can't take criticism and build on it, and instead take it as trolling.

[Edited on 06.27.2011 10:49 PM PDT]

  • 06.27.2011 10:49 PM PDT

Posted by: A 3 Legged Goat
When the OP was uncensored the following day, I was going to edit it and make it a little more constructive. To my dismay, I was unable to edit the post because it had been previously reported. When I try to edit it, I am graced by an error page instead. This is the second time this has happened to me, and to be quite honest it's getting to be really ridiculous.

This is why you spend six months writing a thread so that no sane individual can disagree with it and nobody finds it offensive.

  • 06.27.2011 10:49 PM PDT
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Posted by: A 3 Legged Goat
Why can't we just discuss our opinions without pages and pages of the thread being about the posters therein rather than the topic presented?


Because you're posting these essay's on Bnet. In the Reach forum of all places. What do you expect?

You do realize that there are several other community websites devoted to all things Bungie and Halo that have reasonable people and rational discussion right? Waypoint is the first one that comes to mind.

I've seen many of your threads lately and I have to admit that a lot them seem created simply to gain as many posts as possible. Even though you bring up some good points every now and again.

What I'm getting at is that there are sooooo many better sites to discuss Halo than the (lol) Reach forum. Check em' out sometime.



[Edited on 06.27.2011 10:56 PM PDT]

  • 06.27.2011 10:54 PM PDT

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To be honest i read alot of your threads and partake in the criticism or backing of them, but sometimes you have to sit back and remember what kind of people are there. You have one side who blindly hate Reach and utterly agree with every word you say and you have die hard fans who argue with said other side. There almost isn't a neutral party and sometimes that should be taken into effect in your criticism.

  • 06.27.2011 10:58 PM PDT

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I give up in the Reach thread. It is overrun by spammers so theres no point in trying to control it.

  • 06.27.2011 11:00 PM PDT

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Posted by: Hylebos
Posted by: A 3 Legged Goat
When the OP was uncensored the following day, I was going to edit it and make it a little more constructive. To my dismay, I was unable to edit the post because it had been previously reported. When I try to edit it, I am graced by an error page instead. This is the second time this has happened to me, and to be quite honest it's getting to be really ridiculous.

This is why you spend six months writing a thread so that no sane individual can disagree with it and nobody finds it offensive.


I'm not dedicated like you buddy.

[Edited on 06.27.2011 11:04 PM PDT]

  • 06.27.2011 11:04 PM PDT

LOL Reach forums!

I stay as far away from there as possible. People can't have opinions there. It's also impossible to have a good discussion on there.

If anything that forum should be nuked.

[Edited on 06.27.2011 11:40 PM PDT]

  • 06.27.2011 11:38 PM PDT

Posted by: ExquisiteDragon
Everything you create turns into a pissing match Goat. Who wouldn't report you?

Not only that, but it doesn't really help him when he tries to address the people getting mad, either.

  • 06.27.2011 11:39 PM PDT

Left here a long time ago.

Bungie should create a hidden version of the Reach Forum designed for people that aren't idiots.

It shouldn't be in the main forum list. We should have to literally try thread/forum/post IDs at random until we find it.

  • 06.27.2011 11:41 PM PDT

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Bungie should create a hidden version of the Reach Forum designed for people that aren't idiots.

It shouldn't be in the main forum list. We should have to literally try thread/forum/post IDs at random until we find it.
thats what private groups are for... also its the internet goat. :(

  • 06.28.2011 12:04 AM PDT
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You honestly should of re-worded that thread because it did look like you were trolling... But that forum is extremely corrupted so they could make anything look like a troll.

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Posted by: A 3 Legged Goat
I'm sure most of B.net is aware of the infamous thread in the Reach forum where I harshly presented my opinion, which subsequently resulted in a controversial mass of debate and criticism.

Someone thinks a biiiiit too highly of themselves.

What's the problem? If anything they are more likely to read the collapsed OP.

  • 06.28.2011 12:04 AM PDT

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