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Subject: "ADAPT." No. Armor Lock and Sword Block are moronic.
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Why don't we stop saying it's an "opinion" that the window is broken and fix the damn window?!

  • 06.28.2011 1:52 AM PDT
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Posted by: Lord Slade
Posted by: A 3 Legged Goat
Why don't we stop saying it's an "opinion" that the window is broken and fix the damn window?!
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  • 06.28.2011 1:54 AM PDT

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Posted by: A 3 Legged Goat
6 pages later and there are people still defending Armor Lock?

Posted by: TheUseless0ne
I enjoy pointing out the fallacies in the logic of some of these people. I'm hoping they learn something, but then, I always have been a bit of a dreamer.


The only thing illogical that I see is supporting a flawed game mechanic. We're essentially debating whether or not the window is broken on the basis that "it doesn't bother me, and you can also put on a sweater if you're cold"

Why don't we stop saying it's an "opinion" that the window is broken and fix the damn window?!


Because bungie, being them selves may just accidentally smash another window whilst turning around to head back to the truck
even though it would be amazing, flabbergasting... A damn miracle if they fixed it. something else would always bubble to the top of the complaints list and eventually something else will be wrong with armour lock like the fact a person can EMP and mele a player straight out of armourlock.

  • 06.28.2011 1:54 AM PDT

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Posted by: Lyanti
Yes, they are abominations of Reach, sword block screwed over the sword, ( Imagine your fighting a jedi, he lunges at you. you think omg and raise your arm next second he goes wtf and you kill him with a shotgun. )

this is a HUGE problem in Infection, not only do the players start with heavies. they get to block most attacks from zombies.

Armour lock just sucks.

you can go and tap it with a ghost and you asplode. its pathetic. and yes I did purposely spell it as asplode.

it is also unfair in invasion as they spawn in tier 3 with a shotgun and the poor elites must suffer with hologram and sword, they are easily at a disadvantage when the Spartan gets the ghost/wraith/banshee


Oh man I love Star Wars analogies. You ready for this?

Yeah, stopping Jedis isn't all that crazy actually. Ask a Mandalorian; they make a living off it from time to time.

Jango Fett (Boba's "father") once took out about 6 Jedi... Bare handed. Fafter walking right into them with out a sneak attack.

Boba Fett had a fight with Darth Vader. Again, no weapons. He had an oppertunity to kill Darth. Know why he passed it up? Because he didn't want the Empire giving him -blam!-.

So yeah, now Jedi can't just be any sword (lightsabre) wielding sociopath; they have to be more badass than the thing they want to kill or they risk getting their asses handed to them with a side of Bothian milk.

So NOW, if you aren't more badass than the spartan who isn't wielding a sword, you're gonna have your life cut short, and someone's gonna be running around with your toy. It's no more than any punk who runs for the power weapons can't just jaunt around with a "you are dead now" sword. You have to use timing and know when to lunge and when to parry, or risk ending up like one of the Jedi extras in Clone Wars.

As for countering the shotgun or anything else with more range than a sword; if you're trying yo use a weapon with shorter range than your enemy when you aren't close enough to get a guaranteed kill, you deserve the death.

I've said it before, but fools just kept trying with illogical cyclical arguments and petty insults, but seriously

/thread

  • 06.28.2011 1:55 AM PDT

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Okay another one then.

Standing infront of a bus and reflecting it.

that is armourlock AND sword block.

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fkn Reachtards.

Posted by: TheUseless0ne
Nerd, you are bad. Stop acting like you know how to play this game.

  • 06.28.2011 1:59 AM PDT

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I really don't understand it. There are people who are not bothered by Armor Lock. That's fine. I personally am not bothered by griefers and betrayers because I don't search alone. I don't deny their existence, as it would be ignorant of me to do so. It isn't an 'opinion' that these people exist. Likewise, it isn't an opinion that armor lock is bad, because just as I have experienced AL being abused, you have experienced people betraying you for the sniper or in living dead or splattering you in Firefight with no option to boot. We have our experiences and observations (which are not opinions for the fact that they are based on quantifiable evidence), thus we have a basis to support our argument.

I will be quite honest. I have not seen a single person who's good at Halo defend Armor Lock. Not one soul. It just doesn't make sense. If you're good, you would be frustrated beyond belief when people who are also good abuse flawed abilities like it. Jetpack and Camo can be even worse when good players abuse them, and yet you players continue to defend it out of some delusional sense of reassurance that you are able to counter it and we are not.

Protip: Waiting 5 seconds and throwing a grenade at their feet only works on bad players. Play Team Slayer or Arena with 1% onyx players and say that again. You don't know what you're talking about. You have no argument when the people you are playing against vote ARs on Countdown, chase after kills and neglect power weapons.

Stop using your newfound Halo prowess to fuel your false sense of skill and ability. You are not good at Halo if you support Armor Lock. Nobody who is does.

[Edited on 06.28.2011 2:02 AM PDT]

  • 06.28.2011 1:59 AM PDT

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Posted by: Nihilistic

Posted by: TheUseless0ne

Armor Lock is used a lot because it's overpowered. Do you think that if you hand someone a golden gun in-game that kills quickly they'd just pass it up? No, it's an easy way to get kills. Armor Lock is an easy way to get out of trouble that the user placed himself in. That doesn't mean it's not overpowered. Like I said before, it's not meant for higher gameplay, it's not meant for matchmaking period.

As for the back and forth arguing, people will learn to be the bigger person and know when to just stop. Since it seems like someone has hit a soft spot with you, I chose you to point out that you're hurting your own argument when you're going back and forth.


If the golden gun analogy works so well, why is it that people LOVE the pistol from CE, and BR? Those just require some face spamming.

What's more is that it contradicts the sword block argument; sword block makes it so that the sword is LESS of a golden gun than it was; players with some timing can actually block and survive a bit.

  • 06.28.2011 1:59 AM PDT

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Posted by: Lyanti
Okay another one then.

Standing infront of a bus and reflecting it.

that is armourlock AND sword block.



What kind of bus runs into something it knows will smash it? I blame the driver, not the wall.

  • 06.28.2011 2:01 AM PDT

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Posted by: A 3 Legged Goat
I really don't understand it. There are people who are not bothered by Armor Lock. That's fine. I personally am not bothered by griefers and betrayers because I don't search alone. I don't deny their existence, as it would be ignorant of me to do so. It isn't an 'opinion' that these people exist. Likewise, it isn't an opinion that armor lock is bad, because just as I have experienced AL being abused, you have experienced people betraying you for the sniper or in living dead or splattering you in Firefight with no option to boot. We have our experiences and observations (which are not opinions for the fact that they are based on quantifiable evidence), thus we have a basis to support our argument.

I will be quite honest. I have not seen a single person who's good at Halo defend Armor Lock. Not one soul. It just doesn't make sense. If you're good, you would be frustrated beyond belief when people who are also good abuse flawed abilities like it. Jetpack and Camo can be even worse when good players abuse them, and yet you players continue to defend it out of some delusional sense of reassurance that you are able to counter it and we are not.

Protip: Waiting 5 seconds and throwing a grenade at their feet only works on bad players. Play Team Slayer or Arena with 1% onyx players and say that again. You don't know what you're talking about. You have no argument.

Stop using your newfound Halo prowess to fuel your false sense of skill and ability. You are not good at Halo if you support Armor Lock. Nobody who is does.
Again, this.

  • 06.28.2011 2:01 AM PDT
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He t-bags you!? Srsly?
That didn't deserve a t-bag!
This guy deserves to be put into a custom game and killed hundreds of times in humiliating ways, from snipers, Plasma pistols, rockets, every weapon.
And once that's over, he and other people like him should be spawn killed by Gamesager and his team.
My two cents.

  • 06.28.2011 2:01 AM PDT

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Posted by: TheUseless0ne


What's more is that it contradicts the sword block argument; sword block makes it so that the sword is LESS of a golden gun than it was; players with some timing can actually block and survive a bit.


what of the shotgun then? how do you press B and block that at close range. it even works as a freaking medium range weapon. please explain the difference.

  • 06.28.2011 2:05 AM PDT

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Posted by: TheUseless0ne
Posted by: Nihilistic

Posted by: TheUseless0ne

Armor Lock is used a lot because it's overpowered. Do you think that if you hand someone a golden gun in-game that kills quickly they'd just pass it up? No, it's an easy way to get kills. Armor Lock is an easy way to get out of trouble that the user placed himself in. That doesn't mean it's not overpowered. Like I said before, it's not meant for higher gameplay, it's not meant for matchmaking period.

As for the back and forth arguing, people will learn to be the bigger person and know when to just stop. Since it seems like someone has hit a soft spot with you, I chose you to point out that you're hurting your own argument when you're going back and forth.


If the golden gun analogy works so well, why is it that people LOVE the pistol from CE, and BR? Those just require some face spamming.

What's more is that it contradicts the sword block argument; sword block makes it so that the sword is LESS of a golden gun than it was; players with some timing can actually block and survive a bit.
People liked those things because unlike AL there was a skill gap between users. There was never a time when the worse shot would win 1v1 unless the other player was already weak from an outside variable. AL has no skill gap. You either AL first or AL second. Doing either one will produce the same result. You staying alive when you shouldnt have.

And the sword did not need a nerf. When you make a power weapon something you dont know whether it will work or not then somethings wrong.

  • 06.28.2011 2:06 AM PDT

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Posted by: TheUseless0ne


Which is why CE isn't going to have matchmaking when the Anniversary version comes out. Trust me, if they have had made a multiplayer from it, people would be complaining about the pistol.

The BR is hardly overpowered compared with the DMR. You do not see people teamshooting a Scorpion in H3, you'd be looked at funny. It's the norm in Reach. Though, we aren't here to talk about other games.

People will continue to use Armor Lock as long as it is there, but don't think for a second that it's not overpowered. No other Armor Ability can be used offensively and have as much benefits as Armor Lock does.

  • 06.28.2011 2:08 AM PDT

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I'm not even going to bother trying to explain it anymore. Even with all these noob-friendly mechanics, bad players are still bad. Even if a 50-5 game in H3 ends up as a 50-25 game in Reach, they still lose because Bungie managed to preserve some of the skill gap.

So go ahead thinking Armor Lock is going to save you from 'overpowered rockets and vehicles' that you failed to control. You will never be good until you stop using it.

  • 06.28.2011 2:08 AM PDT

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Posted by: ParagonRenegade
You were totally and absolutely correct in every way, I don't know why we were arguing, you're so amazing I should never have doubted you.

Posted by: TheUseless0ne
-snip-
You can dance around the issue as much as you want, but it doesn't change the fact that Armor Lock enables players to use an ability that they gained off spawn to block a sword lunge (activating AL after the sword user lunges, preventing any possible counteraction on the part of the sword user), then EMP the sword user's shields and kill them with a melee. The fact of the matter here is, the sword is a power weapon. By earning the use of this weapon by fighting other players to obtain it, the person who has the sword has earned the ability to kill an enemy that is within lunge range. Nothing should change this. If a sword user manages to get close enough to you to activate the lunge, you should be dead. Countering the sword involves staying out of the lunge range and playing intelligently. Armor Lock allows players to play stupidly and rewards them for it, giving them an easy kill against a player that was using the energy sword in the only way it can be used.

So, suppose it was Bungie's intention to make Armor Lock far more advantageous than other Armor Abilities. Assuming this, Bungie would have willingly and intentionally made it so that mechanics like guns, shooting, grenades, and melee were all designed to be sidelined by Armor Lock and Armor Lock alone. So then, why are other spawn abilities weaker? Sprinting in the opposite direction of a sword user won't allow you to escape the lunge if they already activated it, and neither will Jetpack, Active Camo, Hologram, Drop Shield, or Evade. While this should come at the cost of decreased mobility, it hardly matters. You can't shoot while Armor Locking, but you can't while Sprinting or Evading either. The ability to turn completely invincible, block an opponent that legitimately outplayed you, and get a free kill on against them is completely broken.

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Posted by: Lord Slade

And before somebody tries to justify AL as a counter to the sword via the Sprint+Sword combo, let it be known (if it wasn't already obvious) that this is a result of the time it takes to draw the sword after the Sprint. Let is also be known that I and many others complained about this during the Beta, and yet nothing was -blam!- ing done about it.

Bungie intentionally sabotaged this game.

[Edited on 06.28.2011 2:13 AM PDT]

  • 06.28.2011 2:13 AM PDT

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Posted by: TheUseless0ne
Posted by: Nihilistic

Posted by: TheUseless0ne

Armor Lock is used a lot because it's overpowered. Do you think that if you hand someone a golden gun in-game that kills quickly they'd just pass it up? No, it's an easy way to get kills. Armor Lock is an easy way to get out of trouble that the user placed himself in. That doesn't mean it's not overpowered. Like I said before, it's not meant for higher gameplay, it's not meant for matchmaking period.

As for the back and forth arguing, people will learn to be the bigger person and know when to just stop. Since it seems like someone has hit a soft spot with you, I chose you to point out that you're hurting your own argument when you're going back and forth.


If the golden gun analogy works so well, why is it that people LOVE the pistol from CE, and BR? Those just require some face spamming.

What's more is that it contradicts the sword block argument; sword block makes it so that the sword is LESS of a golden gun than it was; players with some timing can actually block and survive a bit.
People liked those things because unlike AL there was a skill gap between users. There was never a time when the worse shot would win 1v1 unless the other player was already weak from an outside variable. AL has no skill gap. You either AL first or AL second. Doing either one will produce the same result. You staying alive when you shouldnt have.

And the sword did not need a nerf. When you make a power weapon something you dont know whether it will work or not then somethings wrong.


In Halo 2, people BR face spammed first or the BR face spammed second. Result was always the same with that auto-aim and giant hitboxes, but whatever.

Anyway, it's 4 am and I'm done with my workout. I'm going to sign off providing some of you your own logic applied to a different medium;

I'm better looking than some of you, and I'm more physically fit than most of you because I don't dedicate my life to getting a big number to show off my video game dong. You will never be on my level out here, and I can tell you how to live your lives and what to live by because I'm better.

That's how it works, right? Enjoy your level 50s "kids".

B :)
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  • 06.28.2011 2:14 AM PDT

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Posted by: Lord Slade
Posted by: TheUseless0ne
-snip-
You can dance around the issue as much as you want, but it doesn't change the fact that Armor Lock enables players to use an ability that they gained off spawn to block a sword lunge (activating AL after the sword user lunges, preventing any possible counteraction on the part of the sword user), then EMP the sword user's shields and kill them with a melee. The fact of the matter here is, the sword is a power weapon. By earning the use of this weapon by fighting other players to obtain it, the person who has the sword has earned the ability to kill an enemy that is within lunge range. Nothing should change this. If a sword user manages to get close enough to you to activate the lunge, you should be dead. Countering the sword involves staying out of the lunge range and playing intelligently. Armor Lock allows players to play stupidly and rewards them for it, giving them an easy kill against a player that was using the energy sword in the only way it can be used.

So, suppose it was Bungie's intention to make Armor Lock far more advantageous than other Armor Abilities. Assuming this, Bungie would have willingly and intentionally made it so that mechanics like guns, shooting, grenades, and melee were all designed to be sidelined by Armor Lock and Armor Lock alone. So then, why are other spawn abilities weaker? Sprinting in the opposite direction of a sword user won't allow you to escape the lunge if they already activated it, and neither will Jetpack, Active Camo, Hologram, Drop Shield, or Evade. While this should come at the cost of decreased mobility, it hardly matters. You can't shoot while Armor Locking, but you can't while Sprinting or Evading either. The ability to turn completely invincible, block an opponent that legitimately outplayed you, and get a free kill on against them is completely broken.


If Armour lock did not include

EMP
Frosting
Shield recharging
Invincibility
Vehicle splatter stopping
a power weapons guaranteed kill to dissapear

it might be better, but only if it included

Frosting for user for 3 seconds
No mele for 7 seconds
NO shield recharging
Invincibility after the first 4 seconds

then it may be better, Im in no way saying i would still condone it but i would still disuse it.

  • 06.28.2011 2:15 AM PDT
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This game is horrible. Stop playing it.

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6 pages later and there are people still defending Armor Lock?

Posted by: TheUseless0ne
I enjoy pointing out the fallacies in the logic of some of these people. I'm hoping they learn something, but then, I always have been a bit of a dreamer.


The only thing illogical that I see is supporting a flawed game mechanic. We're essentially debating whether or not the window is broken on the basis that "it doesn't bother me, and you can also put on a sweater if you're cold"

Why don't we stop saying it's an "opinion" that the window is broken and fix the damn window?!
This.

  • 06.28.2011 2:17 AM PDT

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Posted by: TheUseless0neKid

Why do you keep trying to pull life checks on a Halo forum? Is your retardation really that strong?

  • 06.28.2011 2:17 AM PDT

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Posted by: TheUseless0ne

If you are truly better you would understand why we are saying what we are. Halo skill is completely irrelevant and it's not what we're debating here despite its appearance. Failing to understand simple principles is a result of an inability to objectively observe a situation different from one's own experience.

I'm not good at Halo, but I'm not going to let that blind me and prevent me from understanding gameplay. That ability alone has nothing to do with your hand-eye coordination or your dedication to Halo. That takes humility.

  • 06.28.2011 2:18 AM PDT

Posted by: TheUseless0ne

The Tard is strong in this one.

  • 06.28.2011 2:19 AM PDT

Death from Above !


Posted by: Five seveN

Posted by: TheUseless0neKid

Why do you keep trying to pull life checks on a Halo forum? Is your retardation really that strong?


Please. post if you are going to have a contribution to the Thread.

because a persons real life physical appearance has no relation to armourlock.

possibly sword block. as that can be blocked by an arm.

  • 06.28.2011 2:20 AM PDT