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Subject: "ADAPT." No. Armor Lock and Sword Block are moronic.
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DAMN YOU MICROSOFT


Posted by: sk crouch strafe
Apparently spamming LB beats spamming RT.

sk crouch strafe

That's an awesome user name u got there.

  • 06.30.2011 7:41 AM PDT

i thought this "AL is op" stuff was funny..
then yesterday i played team slayer and the whole -blam!- enemy team used AL. then my team started using it too.. i swear there were times in that game, when more people were using their chastity belts than moving and -blam!- around!!!

open range maps with many players and vehicles: gimme AL
but in CCQ and 4 vs 4 gametypes - not funny.
(but what did bungie do: take out AL in btb objective, which is now a splatterfest.. i really don't get that)

  • 06.30.2011 7:48 AM PDT

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"Bs: Blame stosh for all of your BS!"

Armor Lock is wrong because it's not implemented in conjunction with other settings (Invasion Spire's territories can have 5+ seconds taken off by one just using AL inside of them) and the EMP makes it annoying to fight the AL users. That little shell that gives them momentary invincibility when they come out of AL is also obnoxious and appears to be more of a glitch than an intended feature.

  • 06.30.2011 7:49 AM PDT
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Posted by: raindoc
i thought this "AL is op" stuff was funny..
then yesterday i played team slayer and the whole -blam!- enemy team used AL. then my team started using it too.. i swear there were times in that game, when more people were using their chastity belts than moving and -blam!- around!!!

open range maps with many players and vehicles: gimme AL
but in CCQ and 4 vs 4 gametypes - not funny.
(but what did bungie do: take out AL in btb objective, which is now a splatterfest.. i really don't get that)
How about this.

Remove armor lock all together from EVERYTHING in MM.
Increase jump height so we can avoid vehicle splatters.

  • 06.30.2011 7:51 AM PDT

When you think that you have it all is the moment that you can lose it. Don't think ahead if you can't think for the present.

Actually, what is wrong with armor lock is that it was in a loadout for everybody to use. Put one or two to swap out with your current AA, then problem solved.

"When everybody is super. No one will be"

  • 06.30.2011 8:02 AM PDT


Posted by: Rune174
Actually, what is wrong with armor lock is that it was in a loadout for everybody to use. Put one or two to swap out with your current AA, then problem solved.

"When everybody is super. No one will be"
This should apply for every AA

  • 06.30.2011 8:04 AM PDT
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Posted by: Rune174
Actually, what is wrong with armor lock is that it was in a loadout for everybody to use. Put one or two to swap out with your current AA, then problem solved.

"When everybody is super. No one will be"
This should apply for every AA
This. AAs should be like power weapons, you have to control them.

[Edited on 06.30.2011 8:16 AM PDT]

  • 06.30.2011 8:15 AM PDT

What is most annoying imho, is the ability to lock-unlock-lock-unlock...
is this a FPS or a breakdancing contest?

  • 06.30.2011 8:19 AM PDT

Hi.

The only AA that should ever be available off-spawn is Sprint.

  • 06.30.2011 8:19 AM PDT


Posted by: Zomechin


Armor Lock is an amazing armor ability.

Look at this awesomeness. Is that Halo?


-Fixed
Looks like you got duped boy.

[Edited on 06.30.2011 8:22 AM PDT]

  • 06.30.2011 8:21 AM PDT

Hi.

Posted by: xAiurx

Posted by: Zomechin


Armor Lock is an amazing armor ability.

Look at this awesomeness. Is that Halo?


-Fixed
Looks like you got duped boy.
You honestly think that was some sort of 'trick' and I 'fell for it'?

PLEASE.

Notice the 3rd slash; It hits him perfectly, but the retarded mechanic called Sword Block denied my perfectly earned kill.

The complaint about Armor Lock here isn't me losing, it's about the uneven battle becoming evened, and the game becoming slow, dull, and Soccermom23 approved.

The sole reason I died was because of Sword Block, which is unarguably bad.

[Edited on 06.30.2011 8:27 AM PDT]

  • 06.30.2011 8:26 AM PDT


Posted by: Zomechin
Posted by: xAiurx

Posted by: Zomechin


Armor Lock is an amazing armor ability.

Look at this awesomeness. Is that Halo?


-Fixed
Looks like you got duped boy.
You honestly think that was some sort of 'trick' and I 'fell for it'?

PLEASE.

Notice the 3rd slash; It hits him perfectly, but the retarded mechanic called Sword Block denied by perfectly earned kill.

The complaint about Armor Lock here isn't me losing, it's about the uneven battle becoming evened, and the game becoming slow, dull, and Soccermom23 approved.

The sole reason I died was because of Sword Block, which is unarguably bad.
Well then luck was on his side, I wouldn't call it anything other then that because it obviously was not skill because he just Melee coming out of AL. But I would not toss a hissyfit over it.

-Taking a closer look at the video, it is your fault you died.

[Edited on 06.30.2011 8:34 AM PDT]

  • 06.30.2011 8:28 AM PDT

if thats you in the vid with the sword .. dude you just got own, i see nothing wrong but the armor lock texture not showing up. he timed his armor lock perfect.

[Edited on 06.30.2011 8:41 AM PDT]

  • 06.30.2011 8:36 AM PDT

Halo 3 is irrelevant. We're talking about Armor Lock and Sword Parry, the heck is wrong with you? go DIAF. Jerk.

  • 06.30.2011 8:37 AM PDT

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Posted by: Maximus Decimus
Agreed. All the changes are good and add variety. Do we really want another Halo 3? Just running around with one gun and no armor abilities? It's good that 343 wants to try something new. Do we really want the same thing for three more games?


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Posted by: sk crouch strafe
Apparently spamming LB beats spamming RT.

sk crouch strafe

That's an awesome user name u got there.
Ha. SK's strafes are so funny to watch on youtube.

  • 06.30.2011 8:38 AM PDT

Hi.

Posted by: xAiurx

Posted by: Zomechin
Posted by: xAiurx

Posted by: Zomechin


Armor Lock is an amazing armor ability.

Look at this awesomeness. Is that Halo?


-Fixed
Looks like you got duped boy.
You honestly think that was some sort of 'trick' and I 'fell for it'?

PLEASE.

Notice the 3rd slash; It hits him perfectly, but the retarded mechanic called Sword Block denied by perfectly earned kill.

The complaint about Armor Lock here isn't me losing, it's about the uneven battle becoming evened, and the game becoming slow, dull, and Soccermom23 approved.

The sole reason I died was because of Sword Block, which is unarguably bad.
Well then luck was on his side, I wouldn't call it anything other then that because it obviously was not skill because he just Melee coming out of AL. But I would not toss a hissyfit over it.
I'm not throwing a hissyfit, I'm filling this forum with discussion; what it's designed exactly for.

Yes, luck was on his side. That's the point of this thread-- luck is not an acceptable excuse for something like this.
Posted by: xAiurx
-Taking a closer look at the video, it is your fault you died.
o really? Do explain.

Yes, explain-- explain to me exactly why it's my fault he got a lucky, connection based, illogical sword block.

  • 06.30.2011 8:42 AM PDT
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Well thats just Craptacular

If you're saying "No" to adapting then you better find another game. The chance of it changing before you is slim at best.

I've had my fair share of kills denied from AL and sword block, I'm not gonna start yelling on a forum about it.

As for that video: The AL guy should have been dead on the swipe immediatley after he exited AL, pretty sure you can't sword block your back.

[Edited on 06.30.2011 8:48 AM PDT]

  • 06.30.2011 8:44 AM PDT

Hi.

Posted by: DoubleA505
If you're saying "No" to adapting then you better find another game. The chance of it changing before you is slim at best.
343 just announced that they're pushing out a Title Update for this game. I'd say the chance of it changing is larger than you think. And lol @ you thinking me getting killed like this is a failure to adapt.
Posted by: DoubleA505
I've had my fair share of kills denied from AL and sword block, I'm not gonna start yelling on a forum about it.
That's nice. I am. Minus the yelling part.
Posted by: DoubleA505
As for that video: The AL guy should have been dead on the swipe immediatley after he exited AL, pretty sure you can't sword block your back.
Exactly. Why are you responding with an attitude of disagreement when you actually agree with my point?

[Edited on 06.30.2011 8:51 AM PDT]

  • 06.30.2011 8:50 AM PDT

There is nothing wrong with Halo:Reach. We all just have our gripes about everything we don't like. Not liking something doesn't make it broken.

This is the millionth thread talking about this and it's gonna be the millionth thread that no one really cares about.

This is never gonna see a change and honestly, no one except the people who keep getting killed in this way truly cares. All the gaming in Reach, all the videos I see of players doing well.

Armor Lock is either gonna save you or it is gonna get you killed anyway.

Sword block is an amazingly awesome way for a player with good timing or the right amount of luck to NOT die because someone with a sword rushes them.


The only one of the two that actually potentially hurts any gameplay is the fact that Sword Block isn't something you can toggle, meaning some gametypes, like Infection, are made that much more 'unfun' for the guys stuck with a sword.


WHY change what doesn't hurt anyone? You think the sword is useless because it can be timing countered? Don't use it that much.

You think armor lock is BS? Oh well. It surely isn't broken, many people play this game like bad asses and they are totally unnaffected by this escape AA.

[Edited on 06.30.2011 9:00 AM PDT]

  • 06.30.2011 8:55 AM PDT

Hi.

Posted by: Phynixblack
This is the millionth thread talking about this and it's gonna be the millionth thread that no one really cares about.

This is never gonna see a change and honestly, no one except the people who keep getting killed in this way truly cares.
Cool.

Thanks for bumping my thread you don't care about.

No, but in all seriousness, this forum is a place for discussion. I am provoking discussion through this thread. What's your point?

Also, like I've said, 343 announced a patch for Reach. This means that these things have a very high chance of being removed/fixed.

I'll also respond to your edit.
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[Edited on 06.30.2011 9:03 AM PDT]

  • 06.30.2011 9:00 AM PDT
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Well thats just Craptacular

I'm willing to adapt, which you are clearly saying you're not. I still have fun in games that contain things I don't agree with. I deal with too much bullcrap everywhere else in my life to get worked up about stuff like this.

What I'm really disagreeing with here is your method of discussion here, it just seems like a lot of complaining over tyring to have meaningful discussion.

You've got a decent point but it's coming off as you trying to vent into the forums, which a lot of other people have done.

  • 06.30.2011 9:03 AM PDT


Posted by: Zomechin
They are simply garbage. Nothing more.

Armor Lock is an abomination to the 'smarter combat' that AA's supposedly breed.

Look at this senselessness. Is that Halo? Is that really the game we've come to love and know? Sure, AL can and does make you think about how you're going to use it and/or battle someone using it. The thing is, the logic and reasoning involved in doing so is pre-school level at most. Anyone can play good with Armor Lock, and anyone can play good against it. The problem is that you simply shouldn't be denied what you've earned, and Halo really shouldn't be played that way. If you get a cross-map stick, the guy stuck should be dead. This same logic should also be applied to minor situations and annoyances.

Sword Block. "Adapt." Sure, good suggestion. I'll just start using my Sword mid or long range. I'm the best Sword-sniper there is. "Now it's balanced." No, now it's an Assault Rifle. You have no reason to rush or setup for it. You've turned a deadly power weapon that brought flourishing movement to the map into a near-worthless and completely random poking stick that isn't really worth wasting your time going for. "Oh, well just adapt to situations and use it like a 'sneaky ninja'." Look, you have 2 nuclear grenades in your pocket, an Assault Rifle that is so easy that guests can master it (in AR starts), or a DMR that takes 5 super quickly spammed shots in close range (in DMR starts). We have enough counters to this power weapon. The funny thing is, power weapons don't need counters at all, at least in DMR starts where power weapons (and much more) isn't broken.

Sword and Sprint is not an overpowered combination, and even if it was, hello, why not just increase the weapon draw time on the sword? You're taking a problem and fixing it indirectly. This ruins other aspects of the game. Go for a direct approach, for Christ's sakes.

Stop trying to turn Halo in to something it's not. Adding broken, illogical, and flat out retarded game mechanics is not the answer to giving Halo depth and skillful prerequisites. I really enjoy Reach, but there are seriously way too many things that are making it feel like Halo: Combat Dissolved.



My thoughts exactly.

  • 06.30.2011 9:03 AM PDT

Hi.

Posted by: Phynixblack
Armor Lock is either gonna save you or it is gonna get you killed anyway.
....And?
Posted by: Phynixblack
Sword block is an amazingly awesome way for a player with good timing or the right amount of luck to NOT die because someone with a sword rushes them.
1. Sword Block is not exclusively about timing or luck, it's a combination of both luck, latency (connection), and timing every single time.
2. Why should someone have a second chance like this? They have the opportunity to know where the Sword spawns. They have the opportunity to know when the Sword spawns. A huge part of the stepping stone from becoming average/above-average to good is thoroughly learning, utilizing, and controlling the power weapons. Sword Block negates that principle. If you get in range against someone wielding a Sword, you deserve to die because:
1. You/your team didn't control the power weapons.
2. You are the one that made the mistake of coming that close to the enemy who has the sword.
Posted by: Phynixblack
The only one of the two that actually potentially hurts any gameplay is the fact that Sword Block isn't something you can toggle, meaning some gametypes, like Infection, are made that much more 'unfun' for the guys stuck with a sword.
The funny part is, is that Infection is the only gametype in which Sword Block makes fundamental sense. This is because you start off with a Sword, and there is no reason for it to be super powerful (a power weapon). The zombies' disadvantages are solely due to both their traits as well as the imbalanced nature of Infection itself.
Posted by: Phynixblack
WHY change what doesn't hurt anyone? You think the sword is useless because it can be timing countered? Don't use it that much.
Implying it doesn't hurt anyone? It does. And I've already explained what's wrong with it being counter-able like that. "Don't use it that much", eh? You haven't played against people with thumbs, I presume.
Posted by: Phynixblack
You think armor lock is BS? Oh well. It surely isn't broken, many people play this game like bad asses and they are totally unnaffected by this escape AA.
It's fundamentally broken, and every single person who uses Armor Lock or supports it in any way is BAD. This has not once been untrue, nor will it ever be.

  • 06.30.2011 9:17 AM PDT

I hate this community.

  • 06.30.2011 9:28 AM PDT

play squad = no AL.

Or even better play arena.

  • 06.30.2011 9:43 AM PDT