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Subject: "ADAPT." No. Armor Lock and Sword Block are moronic.

It truly infuriates me that you can even consider t-bagging somebody while your using armor lock.

You basically show what an ignorant dick head you are think its funny to AL T-bag..

Probably one of the reasons Team Slayer is probably the worst playlist on Reach ..

  • 07.01.2011 10:05 PM PDT

Posted by: Sceptile

Why, exactly?



Because you are not given a choice. It's the same principles as hating on someone for their race, which they have no control over.

[Edited on 07.01.2011 10:09 PM PDT]

  • 07.01.2011 10:07 PM PDT

Hi.

Posted by: NinKeith
Because you are not given a choice. It's the same principles as hating on someone for their race, which they have no control over.
You are not given the choice of choosing Sprint while knowing it takes a second or two to come out of Sprint while drawing the Sword?

  • 07.01.2011 10:09 PM PDT


Posted by: Zomechin
Posted by: NinKeith
Because you are not given a choice. It's the same principles as hating on someone for their race, which they have no control over.
You are not given the choice of choosing Sprint while knowing it takes a second or two to come out of Sprint while drawing the Sword?


Now, I'm not completely opposed to your suggestion. But there are certain situations that extending the "draw time" just will not work in, such as infection (why not just give the humans insta-kill?). I do think that is a better solution in most cases, but not all. The only solution that works in every case is to change just the weapon, or just the ability. Changing the ability; however, completely changes the sandbox for all weapons. Thus the only other viable solution is to change the weapon.

[Edited on 07.01.2011 10:18 PM PDT]

  • 07.01.2011 10:17 PM PDT

Hi.

Posted by: NinKeith

Posted by: Zomechin
Posted by: NinKeith
Because you are not given a choice. It's the same principles as hating on someone for their race, which they have no control over.
You are not given the choice of choosing Sprint while knowing it takes a second or two to come out of Sprint while drawing the Sword?


Now, I'm not completely opposed to your suggestion. But there are certain situations that extending the "draw time" just will not work in, such as infection (why not just give the humans insta-kill?). I do think that is a better solution in most cases, but not all. The only solution that works in every case is to change just the weapon, or just the ability. Changing the ability; however, completely changes the sandbox for all weapons. Thus the only other viable solution is to change the weapon.
You didn't answer my question.

Also, do you have any other examples other than broken gametypes like Infection?

  • 07.01.2011 10:26 PM PDT

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Posted by: Phynixblack
This thread is STILL a waste of time.
That doesn't make it any less true.

~Hawk

  • 07.01.2011 10:50 PM PDT

Unofficial Thread Killer/Combo-breaker.

I haven't played many Armor Lockers in a long time. Adapt by playing a different playlist. I hear Arena's fun this time of year.

  • 07.01.2011 10:51 PM PDT

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Posted by: Navweb3620
Uh huh. So the decision to balance out power weapons is a poor one?

Lets look at the sniper and rocket. The classic power weapons. Both can kill quickly and efficiently, and both have a small amount of ammo. Balanced? I think so. Players can't dominate the map with them because, if they try, they run out of ammo.

The sword? In halo 2 and 3 it had the ability to dominate a game. It had, and still has, substantial ammo for a weapon that powerful. So, rather than knocking it down, Bungie decided players could block it by AL or their fist.

I think it gives players a fighting chance against an overpowered weapon. It balances the system.
To begin with, the sword isn't immensely overpowered in the comparison you made (sniper and rocket). Besides that minor point, I think it's more logical to reward the player who uses basic tactics that have been prevalent in Halo since the beginning rather than giving "players a fighting chance" in a manner that creates extremely distasteful scenarios for the player utilizing weapon control.

Also, doing this because it "balances the system" isn't adequate reasoning. Each player is, normally, given equal opportunity to pick up the sword so it's already balanced to begin with.

~Hawk

[Edited on 07.01.2011 11:21 PM PDT]

  • 07.01.2011 11:20 PM PDT
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Posted by: Zomechin
Posted by: NinKeith
Because you are not given a choice. It's the same principles as hating on someone for their race, which they have no control over.
You are not given the choice of choosing Sprint while knowing it takes a second or two to come out of Sprint while drawing the Sword?


Now, I'm not completely opposed to your suggestion. But there are certain situations that extending the "draw time" just will not work in, such as infection (why not just give the humans insta-kill?). I do think that is a better solution in most cases, but not all. The only solution that works in every case is to change just the weapon, or just the ability. Changing the ability; however, completely changes the sandbox for all weapons. Thus the only other viable solution is to change the weapon.
INfection is just a derp fest so that's irrelevant

  • 07.01.2011 11:46 PM PDT

Hi.

Posted by: Gnoizic
I haven't played many Armor Lockers in a long time. Adapt by playing a different playlist. I hear Arena's fun this time of year.
So, there's this major radiation leak in the middle of the country.

Instead of the solving the problem and cleaning up the mess, adapt and just don't go there.

  • 07.02.2011 12:02 AM PDT
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Posted by: Zomechin
Posted by: Gnoizic
I haven't played many Armor Lockers in a long time. Adapt by playing a different playlist. I hear Arena's fun this time of year.
So, there's this major radiation leak in the middle of the country.

Instead of the solving the problem and cleaning up the mess, adapt and just don't go there.
LOL win.

  • 07.02.2011 12:16 AM PDT

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Sword block may not make any logical sense, but neither does a sword made of plasma. If there was no sword block the sword would be ridiculous. People will use sprint or evade to get to you before you can even put a few shots in the guy and you pretty much have no way to defend yourself.

And I think this is another reason why people need to adapt. Why on earth would you keep hitting him? He obviously has armor lock, and he looked like it was about to run out and he would have been left alone defenseless and you could easily kill him. But no, lets keep hitting him. I'm sure that'll work after a few times.

  • 07.02.2011 12:35 AM PDT

Posted by: aBlueBookshelf
Goat was famous. Irie was infamous. Gh0st was FaMaS.

My stats in Halol 4

Typical Waypoint post.
no it's "its got to go" you wouldn't say the "it is got to go" would you?

I am on fire. Instead of fixing the problem by putting myself out, I should adapt to the pain and lack of skin.

  • 07.02.2011 12:45 AM PDT

You're a fire hazard.

I was the one who introduced this wesbite and this one, too on the 30th of July, 2011.


Posted by: Zomechin
They are simply garbage. Nothing more.

Armor Lock is an abomination to the 'smarter combat' that AA's supposedly breed.

Look at this senselessness. Is that Halo? Is that really the game we've come to love and know? Sure, AL can and does make you think about how you're going to use it and/or battle someone using it. The thing is, the logic and reasoning involved in doing so is pre-school level at most. Anyone can play well with Armor Lock, and anyone can play well against it. The problem is that you simply shouldn't be denied what you've earned, and Halo really shouldn't be played that way. If you get a cross-map stick, the guy stuck should be dead. This same logic should also be applied to minor situations and annoyances.

Sword Block. "Adapt." Sure, good suggestion. I'll just start using my Sword mid or long range. I'm the best Sword-sniper there is. "Now it's balanced." No, now it's an Assault Rifle. You have no reason to rush or setup for it. You've turned a deadly power weapon that brought flourishing movement to the map into a near-worthless and completely random poking stick that isn't really worth wasting your time going for. "Oh, well just adapt to situations and use it like a 'sneaky ninja'." Look, you have 2 nuclear grenades in your pocket, an Assault Rifle that is so easy that guests can master it (in AR starts), or a DMR that takes 5 super quickly spammed shots in close range (in DMR starts). We have enough counters to this power weapon. The funny thing is, power weapons don't need counters at all, at least in DMR starts where power weapons (and much more) isn't broken.

Sword and Sprint is not an overpowered combination, and even if it was, hello, why not just increase the weapon draw time on the sword? You're taking a problem and fixing it indirectly. This ruins other aspects of the game. Go for a direct approach, for Christ's sakes.

Stop trying to turn Halo in to something it's not. Adding broken, illogical, and flat out retarded game mechanics is not the answer to giving Halo depth and skillful prerequisites. I really enjoy Reach, but there are seriously way too many things that are making it feel like Halo: Combat Dissolved.

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Look at my file share and tell me the sword is now useless, go on! For me, the sword is exactly the same. So shut up and stop whining, please. If you don't like the game, play another one.

  • 07.02.2011 12:48 AM PDT

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Posted by: Flame Killa 2PC
Sword block may not make any logical sense, but neither does a sword made of plasma.
Paralleling two illogical things doesn't justify anything.
If there was no sword block the sword would be ridiculous. People will use sprint or evade to get to you before you can even put a few shots in the guy and you pretty much have no way to defend yourself.While that very well may be true, the OP suggested a less indirect way of making the potential combination less overpowered.
Posted by: Flame Killa 2PC
And I think this is another reason why people need to adapt. Why on earth would you keep hitting him? He obviously has armor lock, and he looked like it was about to run out and he would have been left alone defenseless and you could easily kill him. But no, lets keep hitting him. I'm sure that'll work after a few times.
If you watch the video closely the first time the OP lunged at the opposing player, he was unaware that the opposing player was using AL. The second time the OP lunged at the opposing player no difference was made to his health/shields, as he shields were already drained from the first lunge. It was inevitably the sword block and final melee that killed the OP. Therefore even if the OP had waited for the opposing player to come out of AL, the OP still would have died.

You can't adapt to that.

~Hawk

[Edited on 07.02.2011 12:59 AM PDT]

  • 07.02.2011 12:57 AM PDT

Hi.

Posted by: Flame Killa 2PC
Sword block may not make any logical sense, but neither does a sword made of plasma.
You're comparing story and fiction with a game mechanic. What's your point? You have none.
Posted by: Flame Killa 2PC
People will use sprint or evade to get to you before you can even put a few shots in the guy and you pretty much have no way to defend yourself.
All other arguments aside, why is this different for the shotgun then? Then, of course, there's that whole weird thing called controlling the weapon yourself, or that other crazy idea of avoiding routes and areas the sword wielder could possibly be in, but avoid arguing the second point because that's irrelevant. The 'problem' is solely Sprint/Sword, so why not solve the problem with a direct approach and increase the draw-time on the Sword coming out of Sprint? There is literally no argument against this.
Posted by: Flame Killa 2PC
And I think this is another reason why people need to adapt. Why on earth would you keep hitting him? He obviously has armor lock, and he looked like it was about to run out and he would have been left alone defenseless and you could easily kill him. But no, lets keep hitting him. I'm sure that'll work after a few times.
Explained this earlier.

He had a sticky. The second I back off is the same exact second he unlocks, sticks me, and it's too far for me to go for the martyr kill. I took the logical approach of staying close to ensure he dies regardless of if he sticks me. And you seem to think I've been 'beaten' by Armor Lock. LOL. Do you realize that I died because of Sword Block? What I did worked perfectly. Notice the last hit? Notice how it hit him? Notice how he was out of Armor Lock? The main problem here is Sword Block. Armor Lock is just the clutch that unfairly evened out the playing field for the person who was way worse. Armor Lock just outlined the problem more.

I appreciate the very sarcastic and condescending advice, but it really doesn't pack too much of a punch to one when it's coming from someone a lot worse than them.

[Edited on 07.02.2011 5:31 PM PDT]

  • 07.02.2011 12:58 AM PDT

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Posted by: Zomechin
Do you realize that I died because of Sword Block?


This. Zome already outplayed the player in armor lock. He only survived because of an ill-conceived mechanic that didn't properly address the issue of sprinters with the sword.

Nobody can argue with this. Sword Block being stupid is not an opinion. It needs to be removed.

  • 07.02.2011 1:01 AM PDT

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Posted by: A 3 Legged Goat

Posted by: Zomechin
Do you realize that I died because of Sword Block?


This. Zome already outplayed the player in armor lock. He only survived because of an ill-conceived mechanic that didn't properly address the issue of sprinters with the sword.

Nobody can argue with this. Sword Block being stupid is not an opinion. It needs to be removed.


Yo Goat, I sent you a message over Xbox Live asking you for a quote about my new map. Did you get my message?

Sorry for being off topic original poster, Goat is a tough puppy to nail down.

  • 07.02.2011 1:03 AM PDT

Why do people complain about walls of text? It means someone but some actual thought into the thread instead of "OMGZ ARMUR LOCKZ!!!1". It takes next to no time to read it properly so quit complaining because someone made a thread more than one paragraph long.

OT - That video just sums up by feelings about armour lock and sword block. Whilst i find armour lock more annoying and more frequent, sword block is just another get out of death free card.

  • 07.02.2011 1:06 AM PDT
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Posted by: Shadow Artiste

Posted by: A 3 Legged Goat

Posted by: Zomechin
Do you realize that I died because of Sword Block?


This. Zome already outplayed the player in armor lock. He only survived because of an ill-conceived mechanic that didn't properly address the issue of sprinters with the sword.

Nobody can argue with this. Sword Block being stupid is not an opinion. It needs to be removed.


Yo Goat, I sent you a message over Xbox Live asking you for a quote about my new map. Did you get my message?

Sorry for being off topic original poster, Goat is a tough puppy to nail down.

Posted by: Shadow Artiste
Sorry for being off topic original poster, Goat is a tough puppy to nail down.

Posted by: Shadow Artiste
Goat is a tough puppy to nail down.

Posted by: Shadow Artiste
Goat is a tough puppy

Posted by: Shadow Artiste
Goat is a puppy

Posted by: Shadow Artiste
Goat = puppy


mind=blown

  • 07.02.2011 1:09 AM PDT

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Posted by: killertomatog

Posted by: Shadow Artiste

Posted by: A 3 Legged Goat

Posted by: Zomechin
Do you realize that I died because of Sword Block?


This. Zome already outplayed the player in armor lock. He only survived because of an ill-conceived mechanic that didn't properly address the issue of sprinters with the sword.

Nobody can argue with this. Sword Block being stupid is not an opinion. It needs to be removed.


Yo Goat, I sent you a message over Xbox Live asking you for a quote about my new map. Did you get my message?

Sorry for being off topic original poster, Goat is a tough puppy to nail down.

Posted by: Shadow Artiste
Sorry for being off topic original poster, Goat is a tough puppy to nail down.

Posted by: Shadow Artiste
Goat is a tough puppy to nail down.

Posted by: Shadow Artiste
Goat is a tough puppy

Posted by: Shadow Artiste
Goat is a puppy

Posted by: Shadow Artiste
Goat = puppy


mind=blown


At first I was like...

... and then I was like

  • 07.02.2011 1:11 AM PDT
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Posted by: Shadow Artiste

Posted by: killertomatog

Posted by: Shadow Artiste

Posted by: A 3 Legged Goat

Posted by: Zomechin
Do you realize that I died because of Sword Block?


This. Zome already outplayed the player in armor lock. He only survived because of an ill-conceived mechanic that didn't properly address the issue of sprinters with the sword.

Nobody can argue with this. Sword Block being stupid is not an opinion. It needs to be removed.


Yo Goat, I sent you a message over Xbox Live asking you for a quote about my new map. Did you get my message?

Sorry for being off topic original poster, Goat is a tough puppy to nail down.

Posted by: Shadow Artiste
Sorry for being off topic original poster, Goat is a tough puppy to nail down.

Posted by: Shadow Artiste
Goat is a tough puppy to nail down.

Posted by: Shadow Artiste
Goat is a tough puppy

Posted by: Shadow Artiste
Goat is a puppy

Posted by: Shadow Artiste
Goat = puppy


mind=blown


At first I was like...

... and then I was like
I hate being in China cause I can't open youtube links


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  • 07.02.2011 1:23 AM PDT

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I hate being in China cause I can't open youtube links


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  • 07.02.2011 1:24 AM PDT


Posted by: A 3 Legged Goat
Nobody can argue with this. Sword Block being stupid is not an opinion. It needs to be removed.
100% agreed.

Posted by: A 3 Legged Goat
an ill-conceived mechanic that didn't properly address the issue of sprinters with the sword.

I actually think sprint is needed sometimes.
And the reason is because when you walked backwards in most halo games, you move alot slower than if you walk forwards, i think someone said like 20% slower as appose to reach where it is something like 5% slower. So when someone is walking backwards and shooting at you,it is much harder to close the gap

  • 07.02.2011 1:27 AM PDT
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You still whine about Armor Lock even tho' it's only in two Playlists? Are you trying to make yourself hate it more?

Sword Block is OP? Are you serious? H3 was insane with the sword, no way to defend against other than long range weapons/shotgun. It was waaay OP.
I'm glad Bungie made the Sword Block, it has nothing wrong in it, you just have to use your brains before going for a swing..

Armor Lock whining again.. I'm too tired to fight, but I'm not folding. Read this. And don't you dare to say "tl:dr".
The AL doesn't have anything wrong with it, it's just a problem of people unable to counter it.. Because I'm in a good mood, I'll give you one tip now. Keep your distance!

  • 07.02.2011 1:44 AM PDT