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Subject: Halo Legends 2: What would you want to see?

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: Lord Slade
Posted by: DecepticonCobra
I mainly say it so I don't have to hear the people against Legends say "It's too Japanesey" as if that were a bad thing.
Japanese art style is bad, so yes, it is a bad thing. Legends 2 will hopefully not be made.

Also, Noble team is retarded and should never return in any other canon. They already ruined one game.

Why exactly is it bad? It's far better than most of the stuff the Western animation studios put up, the only real exception being Gennedy. As for your Noble Team comment, that doesn't sound like solid enough ground to not include them anywhere else.

  • 06.29.2011 2:01 PM PDT

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Posted by: ParagonRenegade
You were totally and absolutely correct in every way, I don't know why we were arguing, you're so amazing I should never have doubted you.

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Why exactly is it bad? It's far better than most of the stuff the Western animation studios put up, the only real exception being Gennedy. As for your Noble Team comment, that doesn't sound like solid enough ground to not include them anywhere else.
Why exactly is it bad? Well, for one thing, the animation itself is awful; choppy, inconsistent, horribly directed and generally painful to watch. They rely far too heavily on still frames and other lazy ways of getting out of work. Second, the drawings themselves are blocky, ugly, and generally disregard the artistic composition that brings videos to life. Thirdly, the studios that worked on Legends were inconsistent with the original designs and couldn't tell a story straight, not to mention how they projected their idiotic culture into places where it doesn't belong. In addition, anime always seems to sink to the lowest level it can in terms of clichés and ridiculous portrayals of what should be serious events, seemingly in an attempt to keep a demographic of the "middle-school Naruto-watching crowd", rather than intelligent and self-respected viewers.

As for Noble Team, Halo: Reach showed just how horribly the characters played out. The only one with any personality at all was Jorge, and he died in a fiery explosion of cliché and plot convenience. The rest of them were either annoying, infuriating, or obnoxious, you take your pick. Bland, uninspired teen soap opera characters should not be kept for more than one horribly failed incarnation. The best route is to forget they exist and ignore all evidence to the contrary. It'll be like Atari dumping copies of the E.T. game into landfills in hopes that nobody will remember just how awful it is.

  • 06.29.2011 2:19 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: Lord Slade
Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Why exactly is it bad? It's far better than most of the stuff the Western animation studios put up, the only real exception being Gennedy. As for your Noble Team comment, that doesn't sound like solid enough ground to not include them anywhere else.
Why exactly is it bad? Well, for one thing, the animation itself is awful; choppy, inconsistent, horribly directed and generally painful to watch. They rely far too heavily on still frames and other lazy ways of getting out of work. Second, the drawings themselves are blocky, ugly, and generally disregard the artistic composition that brings videos to life. Thirdly, the studios that worked on Legends were inconsistent with the original designs and couldn't tell a story straight, not to mention how they projected their idiotic culture into places where it doesn't belong. In addition, anime always seems to sink to the lowest level it can in terms of clichés and ridiculous portrayals of what should be serious events, seemingly in an attempt to keep a demographic of the "middle-school Naruto-watching crowd", rather than intelligent and self-respected viewers.

As for Noble Team, Halo: Reach showed just how horribly the characters played out. The only one with any personality at all was Jorge, and he died in a fiery explosion of cliché and plot convenience. The rest of them were either annoying, infuriating, or obnoxious, you take your pick. Bland, uninspired teen soap opera characters should not be kept for more than one horribly failed incarnation. The best route is to forget they exist and ignore all evidence to the contrary. It'll be like Atari dumping copies of the E.T. game into landfills in hopes that nobody will remember just how awful it is.


I may not be an expert on anime, in all actually that would be privet caboose, but it seems like you have a narrow experience with anime in general. Yes, crap like Naruto does clog up airwaves more than it should. Yet pictures done by the likes of Hayao Miyazaki are simply stunning to say the least. Nasaka and the Valley of the Wind, Hals Moving Castle, and Princess Mononoke are some of the best anime I've seen.

And no offense, but why is the Japanese culture idiotic? What aspect exactly?

And once again for Noble Team, why no second chance? It can go two ways, if they make a good story with those characters, we we get a good story, if not, well then you would be right. If the books can make Chief somewhat more interesting and likeable, Noble should get the same chance. It's only fair and wouldn't hurt anything.

  • 06.29.2011 2:28 PM PDT

Adepto In Meus Campester
Posted by: ParagonRenegade
You were totally and absolutely correct in every way, I don't know why we were arguing, you're so amazing I should never have doubted you.

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
I may not be an expert on anime, in all actually that would be privet caboose, but it seems like you have a narrow experience with anime in general. Yes, crap like Naruto does clog up airwaves more than it should. Yet pictures done by the likes of Hayao Miyazaki are simply stunning to say the least. Nasaka and the Valley of the Wind, Hals Moving Castle, and Princess Mononoke are some of the best anime I've seen.

And no offense, but why is the Japanese culture idiotic? What aspect exactly?

And once again for Noble Team, why no second chance? It can go two ways, if they make a good story with those characters, we we get a good story, if not, well then you would be right. If the books can make Chief somewhat more interesting and likeable, Noble should get the same chance. It's only fair and wouldn't hurt anything.
I've seen Hal's Moving Castle. It certainly wasn't worth watching. No story, weak characters, weak animation, weak soundtrack--a very poor film to say the least.

Medieval Japanese culture is idiotic when you apply to it an alien race designed to be religious extremists, not goddamned Samurais.

As for Noble Team, the characters are beyond forgiveness. As I mentioned, only one of them had a single likeable aspect, and he died. They've had their chance, so it's time to let better characters get a visual representation. I'm talking characters from the books, the ones where it would actually be worth watching to see more about them. They certainly shouldn't entrust Halo to the same awful studios that they gave it to last time. For the mostpart what they delivered resembled the motion comics for the Evolutions stories, but with less movement and worse stories.

  • 06.29.2011 2:35 PM PDT


Posted by: Lord Slade
Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Why exactly is it bad? It's far better than most of the stuff the Western animation studios put up, the only real exception being Gennedy. As for your Noble Team comment, that doesn't sound like solid enough ground to not include them anywhere else.
Why exactly is it bad? Well, for one thing, the animation itself is awful; choppy, inconsistent, horribly directed and generally painful to watch. They rely far too heavily on still frames and other lazy ways of getting out of work. Second, the drawings themselves are blocky, ugly, and generally disregard the artistic composition that brings videos to life. Thirdly, the studios that worked on Legends were inconsistent with the original designs and couldn't tell a story straight, not to mention how they projected their idiotic culture into places where it doesn't belong. In addition, anime always seems to sink to the lowest level it can in terms of clichés and ridiculous portrayals of what should be serious events, seemingly in an attempt to keep a demographic of the "middle-school Naruto-watching crowd", rather than intelligent and self-respected viewers.

As for Noble Team, Halo: Reach showed just how horribly the characters played out. The only one with any personality at all was Jorge, and he died in a fiery explosion of cliché and plot convenience. The rest of them were either annoying, infuriating, or obnoxious, you take your pick. Bland, uninspired teen soap opera characters should not be kept for more than one horribly failed incarnation. The best route is to forget they exist and ignore all evidence to the contrary. It'll be like Atari dumping copies of the E.T. game into landfills in hopes that nobody will remember just how awful it is.


actually, Sangheli culutre is very similar to ancient Japanese culture so its not too far-fetched. And as for Noble, Each one of them has more life than the chief has in his games. I love John but only because of the books, otherwise, he has no character. The same could be said for the members for Noble. They just need to be expanded on.

[Edited on 06.29.2011 2:42 PM PDT]

  • 06.29.2011 2:37 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: Lord Slade
Posted by: DecepticonCobra
I may not be an expert on anime, in all actually that would be privet caboose, but it seems like you have a narrow experience with anime in general. Yes, crap like Naruto does clog up airwaves more than it should. Yet pictures done by the likes of Hayao Miyazaki are simply stunning to say the least. Nasaka and the Valley of the Wind, Hals Moving Castle, and Princess Mononoke are some of the best anime I've seen.

And no offense, but why is the Japanese culture idiotic? What aspect exactly?

And once again for Noble Team, why no second chance? It can go two ways, if they make a good story with those characters, we we get a good story, if not, well then you would be right. If the books can make Chief somewhat more interesting and likeable, Noble should get the same chance. It's only fair and wouldn't hurt anything.
I've seen Hal's Moving Castle. It certainly wasn't worth watching. No story, weak characters, weak animation, weak soundtrack--a very poor film to say the least.

Medieval Japanese culture is idiotic when you apply to it an alien race designed to be religious extremists, not goddamned Samurais.

As for Noble Team, the characters are beyond forgiveness. As I mentioned, only one of them had a single likeable aspect, and he died. They've had their chance, so it's time to let better characters get a visual representation. I'm talking characters from the books, the ones where it would actually be worth watching to see more about them. They certainly shouldn't entrust Halo to the same awful studios that they gave it to last time. For the mostpart what they delivered resembled the motion comics for the Evolutions stories, but with less movement and worse stories.

Well I suppose that's what you think, I may not agree but I understand, hence why I suggested coming back to the west in terms of art direction. Genndy Tartakovsky would be a good choice, but I do understand those who criticize his work.

I still think Noble should get another go though, sorry. ;)

  • 06.29.2011 2:38 PM PDT

Looky, lord slade hating on anime and Noble team. Honestly unsurprising.

Or at the very least, stating his opinions as universal truths and facts.

Hmm, let's see...

Medieval Japanese culture is idiotic when you apply to it an alien race designed to be religious extremists, not goddamned Samurais I'm fairly sure bungie compared the two to each other as being similar?

As for anime(aka japanese) artstyle. The only one I didn't care for would be the Duel. The rest were okay.

  • 06.29.2011 2:55 PM PDT


Posted by: ZDF Fawkes
How can you mention Genndy Tartakovsky and not mention Samurai Jack!? That used to be my favorite!

On Topic: I'd like to see an Origins story for the Covenant.


Thank you, I was worried that I would have to be the first to say this. Samurai Jack was incredibly atmospheric and had great action sequences as well. For him to do something Halo related could be amazing.

  • 06.29.2011 2:58 PM PDT


Posted by: Lord Slade
Posted by: DecepticonCobra
I may not be an expert on anime, in all actually that would be privet caboose, but it seems like you have a narrow experience with anime in general. Yes, crap like Naruto does clog up airwaves more than it should. Yet pictures done by the likes of Hayao Miyazaki are simply stunning to say the least. Nasaka and the Valley of the Wind, Hals Moving Castle, and Princess Mononoke are some of the best anime I've seen.

And no offense, but why is the Japanese culture idiotic? What aspect exactly?

And once again for Noble Team, why no second chance? It can go two ways, if they make a good story with those characters, we we get a good story, if not, well then you would be right. If the books can make Chief somewhat more interesting and likeable, Noble should get the same chance. It's only fair and wouldn't hurt anything.
I've seen Hal's Moving Castle. It certainly wasn't worth watching. No story, weak characters, weak animation, weak soundtrack--a very poor film to say the least.

Medieval Japanese culture is idiotic when you apply to it an alien race designed to be religious extremists, not goddamned Samurais.

As for Noble Team, the characters are beyond forgiveness. As I mentioned, only one of them had a single likeable aspect, and he died. They've had their chance, so it's time to let better characters get a visual representation. I'm talking characters from the books, the ones where it would actually be worth watching to see more about them. They certainly shouldn't entrust Halo to the same awful studios that they gave it to last time. For the mostpart what they delivered resembled the motion comics for the Evolutions stories, but with less movement and worse stories.


I'm not an expert on Anime at all considering I've only seen one (Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood), two if you count Halo Legends (actually I'd say three since Avatar the Last Airbender is similar enough to be safely considered an Anime even though it was made here in America), and all three of those had an excellent portrayal of style and art, albeit quite different from Western styles, but it was good all the same. I really don't get your irrational hatred of it, I mean sure you can dislike it, but you always come across as just irrationally hating it for no apparent reason.

Except the Elites have always been compared to Feudal Japan, I think Bungie has even made that comparison themselves, and this has been way before Legends came along. And the Elites are far more than just religious extremists, if that's all you see in them then you are sadly out of tune with the threads woven in Halo's story and universe.

I think you are letting your dislike of Reach overtly color and bias your opinion of every facet of the game, the more I replay Reach and watch its cutscenes the more I notice characterization and a wonderful depth of character for all the different members of Noble Team and their relations with each other. Further stories featuring the members of Noble Team and getting to explore more of their character is an excellent idea. A game is not exactly the best place to tell a completely story and character driven tale, not a first person shooter at least, so of course Noble Team aren't going to be all that they ever could, especially not on their first appearance. Looking at any of the Halo games by themselves you have the exact same situation, Noble's character depth and characterization are no worse than in any of the other installments to the saga. ODST certainly had the best characterization, but I think that was more from the voice actors having a lot of experience and 3 of them had worked together already before, so they would have already had some chemistry and friendship from working together all ready.
I think further stories centered around Noble Team would be excellent additions to the series.

  • 06.30.2011 1:47 PM PDT

I also think they should find some better anime studios. For a couple episodes, such as The Duel and Odd One Out, it seemed like they created the stories for other purposes, but then applied them to Halo after getting hired for Halo Legends. Other episodes like Babysitter, Homecoming, Prototype, and Origins, seemed to stay somewhat true to the "Halo" feel. Maybe those studios could be brought back for a second round.

They should also keep it all serious. The only comedy I would accept is one by Rooster Teeth. Their little Red vs Blue animated episode was awesome.

  • 06.30.2011 4:12 PM PDT

I know Elites are 7'6" or something but that's just down to multiplayer. They should retain their 8'6" statue in canon, and especially in storytelling, as it gives them a intimidating look to them which adds so much to halo. I agree with the guy slating anime. In my opinion it's incredibly cheesy, what with all the over-emotional actions and dialogue, the silly/camp character designs, self-centred Japanese take on things and stupid laughing. I cringed so much watching some of that stuff it was so cheesy. Though credit where credit's due; when they rarely get it right, they get it spot on. But that's RARELY. and Elites are based around Spartans to make the tie-in with them and the Halo Spartans plus the irony of the two being rivals as warriors. The Samurai idea is just the Japenese animators being self-centred.

  • 06.30.2011 5:20 PM PDT


Posted by: Mikerulez1234
I also think they should find some better anime studios. For a couple episodes, such as The Duel and Odd One Out, it seemed like they created the stories for other purposes, but then applied them to Halo after getting hired for Halo Legends. Other episodes like Babysitter, Homecoming, Prototype, and Origins, seemed to stay somewhat true to the "Halo" feel. Maybe those studios could be brought back for a second round.

They should also keep it all serious. The only comedy I would accept is one by Rooster Teeth. Their little Red vs Blue animated episode was awesome.


Odd One Out was created just for the heck of it, it was intended to be a parody of Halo and anime in general, so there's your answer for why it didn't really feel much like Halo (and it's not canon either fyi).

And I thought the Duel was a great piece of work, the art style was quite interesting and it was just a lot of fun to watch. And it felt very much like Halo to me, albeit a bit more alien due to it being from the perspective of the Elites.

  • 06.30.2011 8:04 PM PDT

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