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Are the rules clear enough for every mod?

This thread

Even after Bungie themselves have supported the thread and even posted on the Facebook page for people to vote, apparently a mod locked it because it went against the rules.

Well, seeing as how numerous mods and Urk has posted there and not had it locked, I doubt it should be locked now.


Should there be more clear rules for mods to follow and not leave it up to how nice they are/aren't?

  • 06.28.2011 12:16 PM PDT

Perhaps they did some research and found the OP to be full of it? Perhaps he was banned for something unrelated and the thread was no longer relevant since you can't see the OP? Clearly, we were mislead by the OP.

  • 06.28.2011 12:23 PM PDT

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They're not robots. It comes to moderator discretion. It only takes one mod that doesn't like it to end the party.

There could also be more to the story about why he was banned.

[Edited on 06.28.2011 12:27 PM PDT]

  • 06.28.2011 12:26 PM PDT

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He was told to stop bumping the thread several times, but continued to do so. At least, that's the reason floating around for the lock/ban.

  • 06.28.2011 12:27 PM PDT
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Posted by: roman arrow12
He was told to stop bumping the thread several times, but continued to do so. At least, that's the reason floating around for the lock/ban.
Who gives a flying monkey's left testicle? The rules are not there for the sake of the rules, the rules are there to serve us. That was, by every metric on the planet, a Good Thread. The moderators should have been falling over themselves backwards to keep it going. There were dozens of people bumping that thread, adding no content, just bumping it.

I don't think I've ever seen a clearer example of what's wrong with certain members of this site's staff and how this place is run.

Politics, religion, troll and -blam!- threads of all descriptions are daily allowed to fall through the cracks without so much as a warning, but a long-time member breaks the most minor of our rules, a rule no one had any problems with him breaking, in the interests of charity, and he's banned?

It's enough to make one vomit.

Regardless, if the OP was banned for bumping his thread, and his thread locked as a consequence, why was a re-posted version also locked?

Likewise, if the moderator in question was so concerned with the status of such a popular thread, why was the blatant trolling throughout ignored without action?

If there really is some higher reason, something we ~mere members~ don't know, why wasn't it just posted at the end of the thread?

[Edited on 06.28.2011 12:44 PM PDT]

  • 06.28.2011 12:35 PM PDT

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They probably know what they're doing, i'm sure they had a good reason, even if we can't see it.

  • 06.28.2011 12:42 PM PDT

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I'm pretty unhappy about the decision to lock that thread and ban that user, I feel you should know.

[Edited on 06.28.2011 12:43 PM PDT]

  • 06.28.2011 12:43 PM PDT

Firstly, it is clear that some moderators are of differing opinions as to what is and is not against the rules.
On the other hand, we do need rules in order to have an orderly community.
Moreover, the rules may not be applied in as universal quality as may be desired, but that is part and parcel of using forums.
Also, just because Urk posts in a thread doesn't mean it isn't against the rules.
Nonetheless, I am somewhat upset that such a well-meaning thread and cause was locked and other (aforementioned) 'illegal' threads remain.

So, there are several lessons we can learn from this.
Unless the moderation team has a full review of the rules and what policy should be concerning moderation.
Consequently, we should see more coherent and better-quality moderation spring from such a review.
Kind regards,
Sam.

[Edited on 06.28.2011 12:44 PM PDT]

  • 06.28.2011 12:43 PM PDT
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Oh yes

Some Bungie ninjas are only vigilant when the stuff they're locking is entirely irrelevant or actually legitimate. Anytime someone posts something actually offensive or against the rules they're busy licking nacho cheese off their fingers while mounted atop their porcelain throne (AKA -blam!-ter), giggling to themselves from the giddiness brought on by their massive power trips as the yellowy sauce drips from their neckbeards.

  • 06.28.2011 12:44 PM PDT

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Posted by: elmicker


Wow...nowhere in my post did I say that was a good reason or that the thread deserved to be locked. OP seemed to not know why it was locked (as well as others in other threads), so I supplied what I thought was the answer.

I even explicitly stated that that might not be the actual reason that it was locked, but just that that was the answer that was floating around (I don't think I've ever written "that" so many times in one sentence). For all we know, the user edited the main post to say something different, shock sites were posted, or a myriad of other reasons. On that note, I think this is certainly a case where a moderator should have posted in the thread prior to locking it so that everyone would be clear on the matter.

Hell, locking the thread may have even been an accidental click that will be fixed momentarily. There's no reason to completely wig out on management when you have no way of knowing what happened.

  • 06.28.2011 12:44 PM PDT

Posted by: Grimick
They probably know what they're doing, i'm sure they had a good reason, even if we can't see it.


What do you think happened in -blam!- Germany?

PS: Godwin's Law

[Edited on 06.28.2011 12:47 PM PDT]

  • 06.28.2011 12:45 PM PDT
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Oh yes


Posted by: elmicker
Politics, religion, troll and -blam!- threads of all descriptions are daily allowed to fall through the cracks without so much as a warning, but a long-time member breaks the most minor of our rules, a rule no one had any problems with him breaking, in the interests of charity, and he's banned?


Elmo makes the most important point right here. I can see a dozen threads on the front page that should have been locked before that thread.

  • 06.28.2011 12:45 PM PDT

You'd have to be barmy to think such an experienced and good moderator would 'accidentally' ban a user AND lock their thread.

  • 06.28.2011 12:45 PM PDT
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Posted by: mr poopoo232
its like a large force of win going through fusion, thus creating a chain reaction of a huge asplosion of win destroying any fail within its awesomeness.


Posted by: elmicker
Posted by: roman arrow12
He was told to stop bumping the thread several times, but continued to do so. At least, that's the reason floating around for the lock/ban.
Who gives a flying monkey's left testicle? The rules are not there for the sake of the rules, the rules are there to serve us. That was, by every metric on the planet, a Good Thread. The moderators should have been falling over themselves backwards to keep it going. There were dozens of people bumping that thread, adding no content, just bumping it.

I don't think I've ever seen a clearer example of what's wrong with certain members of this site's staff and how this place is run.

Politics, religion, troll and -blam!- threads of all descriptions are daily allowed to fall through the cracks without so much as a warning, but a long-time member breaks the most minor of our rules, a rule no one had any problems with him breaking, in the interests of charity, and he's banned?

It's enough to make one vomit.

Regardless, if the OP was banned for bumping his thread, and his thread locked as a consequence, why was a re-posted version also locked?

Likewise, if the moderator in question was so concerned with the status of such a popular thread, why was the blatant trolling throughout ignored without action?

If there really is some higher reason, something we ~mere members~ don't know, why wasn't it just posted at the end of the thread?
Everything this guy said.

  • 06.28.2011 12:51 PM PDT
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Posted by: DEATHPIMP72
Anyone but Foman. He smells like cheese.

It was locked for many, many, many instances of bumping despite multiple warnings and private messages -- all of which, by the way, were accompanied by warnings that the thread would be locked if the bumping continued. The OP chose to not only ignore these warnings, but to flagrantly continue with the exact same behavior while promising to stop.

And let's be clear: Urk showed support for the cause itself, not for the related thread in the Flood Forum, which is still subject to all forum rules whether or not it's for a "good cause."

  • 06.28.2011 12:55 PM PDT

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  • 06.28.2011 12:57 PM PDT
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Posted by: mr poopoo232
its like a large force of win going through fusion, thus creating a chain reaction of a huge asplosion of win destroying any fail within its awesomeness.

Posted by: x Foman123 x
It was locked for many, many, many instances of bumping despite multiple warnings and private messages -- all of which, by the way, were accompanied by warnings that the thread would be locked if the bumping continued. The OP chose to not only ignore these warnings, but to flagrantly continue with the exact same behavior while promising to stop.

And let's be clear: Urk showed support for the cause itself, not for the related thread in the Flood Forum, which is still subject to all forum rules whether or not it's for a "good cause."


Posted by: elmicker
Regardless, if the OP was banned for bumping his thread, and his thread locked as a consequence, why was a re-posted version also locked?

  • 06.28.2011 12:59 PM PDT
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Posted by: x Foman123 x
It was locked for many, many, many instances of bumping despite multiple warnings and private messages -- all of which, by the way, were accompanied by warnings that the thread would be locked if the bumping continued. The OP chose to not only ignore these warnings, but to flagrantly continue with the exact same behavior while promising to stop.
The question is then, of course, why were you warning him in the first place? If you literally followed the rules in every instance there'd not be a thread open in this forum; moderators regularly turn a blind eye to rule breaking when taking action would be utterly disproportionate. Do you really consider the rules that important to the forum that you're willing to do this to uphold them? Honestly, your priorities are completely wrong.

What damage was he doing bumping the thread? The thread was time-sensitive, it'd be dead in a while once the poll was over, and every time it was bumped it carried on being active.

The answer to the question what damage have you done by banning someone acting in the best of faith should be obvious.

Those are the questions you should be asking when you moderate, not "HAS A RULE BEEN BROKEN?!"

The other questions as to the reposted thread being locked, the lack of posted justification for the lock of such an obviously popular thread and the lack of general moderation throughout all still stand.

[Edited on 06.28.2011 1:07 PM PDT]

  • 06.28.2011 1:02 PM PDT

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Couldn't the mods have let the rules slide on this one?
Was this thread really hurting anybody?

Bumping a thread may not contribute to discussion, but 95% of the threads in The Flood have no discussion at all.

Also, if OP is banned, ban me too.

[Edited on 06.28.2011 1:12 PM PDT]

  • 06.28.2011 1:06 PM PDT
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Posted by: Old Papa Rich
Suffice to say that sometime, a moderator is going to end this account permenantly.

So, what about the re-posted version?

  • 06.28.2011 1:07 PM PDT
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Posted by: x Foman123 x
It was locked for many, many, many instances of bumping despite multiple warnings and private messages -- all of which, by the way, were accompanied by warnings that the thread would be locked if the bumping continued. The OP chose to not only ignore these warnings, but to flagrantly continue with the exact same behavior while promising to stop.

And let's be clear: Urk showed support for the cause itself, not for the related thread in the Flood Forum, which is still subject to all forum rules whether or not it's for a "good cause."


Whether the OP was bumping or not would've made no difference to its popularity. By your logic, then, everybody who said "voted" should also be handed out the same punishment as the OP as "voted" isn't much more than just a free bump.

  • 06.28.2011 1:08 PM PDT

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Wait, why did the thread have to get locked? Ok you want to enforce your bumping rule, alright fine. However would it have been that difficult to copy the OP and edit the second post and put the info there? It would let the thread survive and you could have your way with the OP being banned.

  • 06.28.2011 1:13 PM PDT
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Posted by: sparten110
Wait, why did the thread have to get locked? Ok you want to enforce your bumping rule, alright fine. However would it have been that difficult to copy the OP and edit the second post and put the info there? It would let the thread survive and you could have your way with the OP being banned.
The thread was quickly re-posted by another individual but immediately locked.

  • 06.28.2011 1:16 PM PDT
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Posted by: DEATHPIMP72
Anyone but Foman. He smells like cheese.

Posted by: MattComicMann
Couldn't the mods have let the rules slide on this one?
We did let the rules slide. For days. Through dozens of bumps.

When politely asked to stop via private message, the OP said "okay" and, in fact, edited the first post in the thread to say, "DO NOT BUMP! As soon as someone bumps, the mods are ready to lock." You guys who are familiar with the thread and not just taking the opportunity to bluster about "bad modz" might remember this.

Yet he continued to bump the thread. Not just once or twice, but for days. At the point at which I locked the thread, the thread was bumped by the OP five times within the last 24 hours, in the exact manner we had asked him not to do.

This is not a "the rules are the rules" decision. I know that this thread was "for a good cause." But you guys don't know what happens behind the scenes before such decisions are made, so please don't make silly assumptions. You are unconvincing when you do.

As to why the repost was locked, the answer is that banned users may not post vicariously through other users. This has been a longstanding rule and has its justifications in the same reasons that users are not allowed to simply log into alternate accounts and continue posting when they are banned.

EDIT: I have answered the primary questions that I felt were pertinent to the Bungie.net and Flood community, but I won't be posting in this thread again. I'll ensure that all of us Forum Ninjas discuss this in HFCS and if we reach a different consensus, obviously we will correct it.

[Edited on 06.28.2011 1:38 PM PDT]

  • 06.28.2011 1:19 PM PDT
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Posted by: x Foman123 x
We did let the rules slide. For days. Through dozens of bumps.
So why not for days more? You've established the principle, the voting ends at the end of the month, a whole 48 hours away. Banning him for the sake of 2 days of a thread that plenty of other people were also posting in is petty beyond description.

So what about the other questions? If you were so obsessed with your task as to count the number of his posts across the past few days, how did you overlook the blatant trolling throughout?

I'm going to repost that thread now. I've never so much as exchanged a word with AmX.

[Edited on 06.28.2011 1:25 PM PDT]

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