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Subject: SMACS and Spire explanation, please read

Here is something to think about.

Those ships (Corvettes and Supercarrier) Had to get into the system somehow. Obviously by slipspace. When ships emerge from slipspace, they leave a huge signature. Especially if it was the supercarrier. (There is no way that the supercarrier could have been cloaked while exiting slipspace.)

Those orbital defenses that were mentioned, could have been anything. Not just an SMAC. Any spaceworthy ship in orbit with a MAC gun could do this.

Your thread has been saved because of the interest it has stirred with me.

  • 06.29.2011 10:15 PM PDT

but the round at the end of the SWORD base shoots straight through the corvette, shields and all. There's no way a frigate could do that


[Edited on 06.29.2011 11:11 PM PDT]

  • 06.29.2011 11:06 PM PDT
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Posted by: UncivilClover99
but the round at the end of the SWORD base shoots straight through the corvette, shields and all. There's no way a frigate could do that
Yes because it didn't have shields

  • 06.29.2011 11:07 PM PDT

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Posted by: UncivilClover99
but the round at the end of the SWORD base shoots straight through the corvette, shields and all. There's no way a frigate could do that


Corvettes don't have shields...

  • 06.29.2011 11:14 PM PDT

I guess the covenant just dropped the ball there, sending a ship to a crucial battle without giving it shields

  • 06.29.2011 11:14 PM PDT

The problem is that this whole issue shouldn't even be happening. The SMC's were the iconic image of Reach and where are they??? Don't give me crap that they were on the other side of the planet. That's just stupid.
LNoF had ONE defense platform orbiting the most heavily protected planet in the galaxy. I thought I was on Harvest rather than Reach and that's just not acceptable.

  • 06.29.2011 11:49 PM PDT


Posted by: falcon8134
The problem is that this whole issue shouldn't even be happening. The SMC's were the iconic image of Reach and where are they??? Don't give me crap that they were on the other side of the planet. That's just stupid.
LNoF had ONE defense platform orbiting the most heavily protected planet in the galaxy. I thought I was on Harvest rather than Reach and that's just not acceptable.


LNOS had Anchor Nine, which was NOT a defense platform.

Also, BLAME THE BOOK. The book describes the platforms as being together on one side of the planet.

  • 06.30.2011 12:05 AM PDT

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Posted by: falcon8134
The problem is that this whole issue shouldn't even be happening. The SMC's were the iconic image of Reach and where are they??? Don't give me crap that they were on the other side of the planet. That's just stupid.
LNoF had ONE defense platform orbiting the most heavily protected planet in the galaxy. I thought I was on Harvest rather than Reach and that's just not acceptable.


LNOS had Anchor Nine, which was NOT a defense platform.

Also, BLAME THE BOOK. The book describes the platforms as being together on one side of the planet.


Assuming of course the said cluster was on the other side of the planet first off...

  • 06.30.2011 12:12 AM PDT

I put forward the argument for the sword base mac shot being a light frigate round and not being an SMAC months ago, on the grounds that it was be akin to detonating a nuclear device right next to the base. I doubt SMAC platforms could even turn 180o to take a shot at the planet

  • 06.30.2011 4:25 AM PDT

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The SMAC must have been firing on extremely SMALL power.

  • 06.30.2011 4:57 AM PDT

it wasn't a S-MAC platform, how can it be? that is a 3,000 ton projectile travelling at something like 120 kilometres/second (120,000 metres/second), also why does every person assume that S-MAC platforms have a 'low power setting', what would be the purposes of an orbital defence platform firing a 'low power' shot since that would just be the waste of a perfectly good shot!

cannot understand for a second why such a platform would ever, ever consider firing a shot at anything other than maximum charge since their purpose is to defence planets from approaching ships, and you cannot do that by firing 'weak' shots at them, why would you want to? also S-MAC platforms are 'anti-ship' platforms, it is never mentioned or even assumed that they turn around and shoot ground targets, since that would be mental unless you want a substantial hole in the ground!

so to further conclude the shot would have either came from A) an orbiting Frigate, Destroyer or Cruiser (Frigate more than likely due to the fact we seen nothing else on Reach!) or B) some form of 'ground support' platform, pointing planet-side for attacking large formations of enemy forces that managed to penetrate the orbital defence network, either way the round isn't travelling all that fast, the Corvette appears to possess no shielding (Long Night of Solace, no shields are seen) and not all that tough. in Long Night of Solace the Savannah fired nothing more than point defence guns at the Corvette, willing to say if she turned and unleashed her teeth that would be one shattered Corvette.

  • 06.30.2011 5:19 AM PDT

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Doesn't a SMAC shot move at half the speed of light or something like that?

0,04 I believe.
TFoR quotes SMACs as being able to accelerate their projectile to approximately .4 cee, or about four-tenths the speed of light.

  • 06.30.2011 7:38 AM PDT

Am I supposed to write something funny here?


Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
it wasn't a S-MAC platform, how can it be? that is a 3,000 ton projectile travelling at something like 120 kilometres/second (120,000 metres/second), also why does every person assume that S-MAC platforms have a 'low power setting', what would be the purposes of an orbital defence platform firing a 'low power' shot since that would just be the waste of a perfectly good shot!
Low power setting: The thing has to get charged before fired, right? So fire it when it's not fully charged, and we have a low power setting.

Low power shot: Maybe they didn't want to destroy SWORD, the forerunner thing, lots of ground around and possibly a tectonic plate?

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
it wasn't a S-MAC platform, how can it be? that is a 3,000 ton projectile travelling at something like 120 kilometres/second (120,000 metres/second), also why does every person assume that S-MAC platforms have a 'low power setting', what would be the purposes of an orbital defence platform firing a 'low power' shot since that would just be the waste of a perfectly good shot!
Low power setting: The thing has to get charged before fired, right? So fire it when it's not fully charged, and we have a low power setting.

Low power shot: Maybe they didn't want to destroy SWORD, the forerunner thing, lots of ground around and possibly a tectonic plate?


That is ridiculously even at "low power" the round would still be going at extreme speeds.

MACs can't be aimed at their own planet

  • 06.30.2011 7:49 AM PDT

Am I supposed to write something funny here?


Posted by: grey101

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Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
it wasn't a S-MAC platform, how can it be? that is a 3,000 ton projectile travelling at something like 120 kilometres/second (120,000 metres/second), also why does every person assume that S-MAC platforms have a 'low power setting', what would be the purposes of an orbital defence platform firing a 'low power' shot since that would just be the waste of a perfectly good shot!
Low power setting: The thing has to get charged before fired, right? So fire it when it's not fully charged, and we have a low power setting.

Low power shot: Maybe they didn't want to destroy SWORD, the forerunner thing, lots of ground around and possibly a tectonic plate?


That is ridiculously even at "low power" the round would still be going at extreme speeds.
What is "extreme speed"? (Maybe it was extremely low power)

BTW, has someone measured how fast the slug went in the cutscene?

MACs can't be aimed at their own planet
Source? There has to be some sort of aiming/turning mechanism.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Gamer Whale

Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
it wasn't a S-MAC platform, how can it be? that is a 3,000 ton projectile travelling at something like 120 kilometres/second (120,000 metres/second), also why does every person assume that S-MAC platforms have a 'low power setting', what would be the purposes of an orbital defence platform firing a 'low power' shot since that would just be the waste of a perfectly good shot!
Low power setting: The thing has to get charged before fired, right? So fire it when it's not fully charged, and we have a low power setting.

Low power shot: Maybe they didn't want to destroy SWORD, the forerunner thing, lots of ground around and possibly a tectonic plate?


That is ridiculously even at "low power" the round would still be going at extreme speeds.
What is "extreme speed"? (Maybe it was extremely low power)

BTW, has someone measured how fast the slug went in the cutscene?

MACs can't be aimed at their own planet
Source? There has to be some sort of aiming/turning mechanism.


If at full power it is going .4 the speed of light anything lower than that is still going to be fast and i don't think these things have a power setting, not to mention for what you are trying to propose it wouldn't work anyway because everything would be severely weakened by the round going into the atmosphere in which it would probably shatter.


orbital defense platform

These things are made to protect the planets and are hardly mobile to start with. You can't fully turn that thing around and aim it at a planet not to mention the UNSC would never allow such a thing. If this were possible innies would have long destroyed reach seeing how it isn't that hard to "sneak" in the system.

  • 06.30.2011 8:13 AM PDT

The case is that the round probably fires a hallowed out tungusten shell and just allows it to gain speed by just letting it drop through the atmosphere.

And like I said in my previous post, the Frigate at the end of Tip of the Spear most likely fired a light MAC cannon round.

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Posted by: Gamer Whale

Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
it wasn't a S-MAC platform, how can it be? that is a 3,000 ton projectile travelling at something like 120 kilometres/second (120,000 metres/second), also why does every person assume that S-MAC platforms have a 'low power setting', what would be the purposes of an orbital defence platform firing a 'low power' shot since that would just be the waste of a perfectly good shot!
Low power setting: The thing has to get charged before fired, right? So fire it when it's not fully charged, and we have a low power setting.

Low power shot: Maybe they didn't want to destroy SWORD, the forerunner thing, lots of ground around and possibly a tectonic plate?


That is ridiculously even at "low power" the round would still be going at extreme speeds.
What is "extreme speed"? (Maybe it was extremely low power)

BTW, has someone measured how fast the slug went in the cutscene?

MACs can't be aimed at their own planet
Source? There has to be some sort of aiming/turning mechanism.


If at full power it is going .4 the speed of light anything lower than that is still going to be fast and i don't think these things have a power setting, not to mention for what you are trying to propose it wouldn't work anyway because everything would be severely weakened by the round going into the atmosphere in which it would probably shatter.


orbital defense platform

These things are made to protect the planets and are hardly mobile to start with. You can't fully turn that thing around and aim it at a planet not to mention the UNSC would never allow such a thing. If this were possible innies would have long destroyed reach seeing how it isn't that hard to "sneak" in the system.

Why would you need to turn it around? Why not just just shoot it out the bottom? Anyway, they specifically say "orbital defenses standing by" so I think it was a low power slug fired backwards into the planet.

  • 06.30.2011 9:40 AM PDT

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Nice explanation OP.

I just wanted to add that, if you go far away from any towns or cities and look closely, you can see satellites in orbit around the Earth.

  • 06.30.2011 9:41 AM PDT

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We all know the ODPs were there, but many of us just find it a confusing/a shame that we didnt see any of them. It makes sense to show them, it makes sense to show the Defense Fleet too. An arbitrary piece of dialogue isn't a satisfying way to portray the main defensive weapon of Reach.

  • 06.30.2011 9:53 AM PDT


Posted by: otterboyz

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Posted by: A Random Turtle
Doesn't a SMAC shot move at half the speed of light or something like that?

0,04 I believe.

o.4


No .4tenths = .04 the speed of light


If you understand maths, English and of you would realize that 0.4 tenths = 0.4%

Your thinking it's 0.4 tenths where ten tenths = 1/10 but this is incorrect.


I think you need to check your math.

4.00= 400%

0.4= 0.40 = 40%

0.04= 4%

0.004= 0.4%

See the pattern?

  • 06.30.2011 9:57 AM PDT

By the way the Super Carrier DIDNT came out from slipspace or was hidden, The Spires worked as teleports, if you pay attention you can see how the spire that is destroyed by the Grafton teleports a phantom. I assume that MANY Spires can teleport one Super Carrier. The Covenant hid the Spires so they can teleport the SC and the UNSC almost stopped them but it was too late

[Edited on 06.30.2011 10:03 AM PDT]

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