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Subject: SMACS and Spire explanation, please read

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Posted by: Dustin 6047
It would've been exciting, but the point of Reach was to protray Noble team's story.


I think thats a convenient way to dismiss the issue. Reach could have still been about Noble and showed some of the larger elements of the conflict. Six and Jorge went into space anyway, I'm not sure why we only see a small station and a Frigate when the place would have been crawling with heavy ordinance.

To me it still seems like a wasted opportunity. Halo has always been about epic scale, and Reach squandered opportunities to show the largest battles in Halo lore.

  • 06.30.2011 10:00 AM PDT
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Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
it wasn't a S-MAC platform, how can it be? that is a 3,000 ton projectile travelling at something like 120 kilometres/second (120,000 metres/second), also why does every person assume that S-MAC platforms have a 'low power setting', what would be the purposes of an orbital defence platform firing a 'low power' shot since that would just be the waste of a perfectly good shot!
Low power setting: The thing has to get charged before fired, right? So fire it when it's not fully charged, and we have a low power setting.

Low power shot: Maybe they didn't want to destroy SWORD, the forerunner thing, lots of ground around and possibly a tectonic plate?


That is ridiculously even at "low power" the round would still be going at extreme speeds.
What is "extreme speed"? (Maybe it was extremely low power)

BTW, has someone measured how fast the slug went in the cutscene?

MACs can't be aimed at their own planet
Source? There has to be some sort of aiming/turning mechanism.


If at full power it is going .4 the speed of light anything lower than that is still going to be fast and i don't think these things have a power setting, not to mention for what you are trying to propose it wouldn't work anyway because everything would be severely weakened by the round going into the atmosphere in which it would probably shatter.


orbital defense platform

These things are made to protect the planets and are hardly mobile to start with. You can't fully turn that thing around and aim it at a planet not to mention the UNSC would never allow such a thing. If this were possible innies would have long destroyed reach seeing how it isn't that hard to "sneak" in the system.

Why would you need to turn it around? Why not just just shoot it out the bottom? Anyway, they specifically say "orbital defenses standing by" so I think it was a low power slug fired backwards into the planet.[/quote
Since when does the classification of ODP apply only to MACs?

And there is no "bottom"

http://www.halopedian.com/File:Macstationcairolarge1ki.jpg

Point out what you are talking about because it is only aiming in one direction. not to mention it would take time for something like that to be moved around

  • 06.30.2011 10:01 AM PDT

firing before maximum power, that mode should be called 'push button to waste shot...' mode, didn't say it wasn't possible, I said what would be the point in firing anything other than maximum effect shot? the stations aren't intended to fire at planets, they are anti-ship platforms (at least the S-MAC platforms like Cairo, Athens and so on!) that don't just turn around and shoot at the planet! it isn't a S-MAC, can't believe that is still being suggested?! also its implied that stations CANNOT turn around and shoot down-wards or else how can an enemy jump 'behind defensive line...?' and if they did why is it a concern if you can just turn your stations and nail them..?

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Posted by: grey101
Since when does the classification of ODP apply only to MACs?

And there is no "bottom"

http://www.halopedian.com/File:Macstationcairolarge1ki.jpg

Point out what you are talking about because it is only aiming in one direction. not to mention it would take time for something like that to be moved around

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nwuaydvwd0
^ Sword Base cutscene ^
Anyway, how much time would it take to turn around? This is space we're talking about, where there is little to no friction. I highly doubt it was a frigate or similar that took the shot, because of the angle. Typically, piloting massive warships directly into a planet is a terrible idea. Also, where is your proof that there is no bottom opening?

  • 06.30.2011 2:21 PM PDT

By the way the Super Carrier DIDNT came out from slipspace or was hidden, The Spires worked as teleports, if you pay attention you can see how the spire that is destroyed by the Grafton teleports a phantom. I assume that MANY Spires can teleport one Super Carrier. The Covenant hid the Spires so they can teleport the SC and the UNSC almost stopped them but it was too late
No the spires were teleporters that let troops an munitions be ferried town to the surface from the supercarrier. The supercarrier was there all along, just 'cloaked'

  • 06.30.2011 11:47 PM PDT

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Look, just talk to me. I'm sure we'll get along.

Thank you for the good argument FOR the Reach technology. People never seem to look for explanations and just throw things in the trash.

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Posted by: grey101
Since when does the classification of ODP apply only to MACs?

And there is no "bottom"

http://www.halopedian.com/File:Macstationcairolarge1ki.jpg

Point out what you are talking about because it is only aiming in one direction. not to mention it would take time for something like that to be moved around

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nwuaydvwd0
^ Sword Base cutscene ^
Anyway, how much time would it take to turn around? This is space we're talking about, where there is little to no friction. I highly doubt it was a frigate or similar that took the shot, because of the angle. Typically, piloting massive warships directly into a planet is a terrible idea. Also, where is your proof that there is no bottom opening?


Again that is not a Mac, it is far too clean and precise to be a mac.

This is space and you are talking about turning around a station that is a few hundred meters off being a mile around to attack a small and shield-less corvette.

IT takes hours alot to properly move and re-angle the ISS and that is far smaller than the SMAC. not to mention the SMACS are semi-mobile meaning they would only be able to re-adjust to aim at a different direction not completely turn around.

What do you mean "because of the angle"? That is such a contradiction that i am laughing. so you are saying a large space station can turn around an fire on a little ship yet a ship from space could not do the same thing? both with have the same angle since they are shooting from orbit.
it is more possible that it is an archer missile than anything.

Um having a large space station fire a shot would could have drastic effects on the planet (such as the shock of hitting the ground or air would blow everything away for a few hundred feet) if it were to hit a plate. yet it doesn't make since for the UNSC to just send 1 frigate in to handle it?


The logic when it comes to this is below third grade.

My "proof"? the "bottom" that you are referring to is just part of the station and probably used to help keep it in orbit. Guns don't typically fire forward and backwards.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: UncivilClover99
By the way the Super Carrier DIDNT came out from slipspace or was hidden, The Spires worked as teleports, if you pay attention you can see how the spire that is destroyed by the Grafton teleports a phantom. I assume that MANY Spires can teleport one Super Carrier. The Covenant hid the Spires so they can teleport the SC and the UNSC almost stopped them but it was too late
No the spires were teleporters that let troops an munitions be ferried town to the surface from the supercarrier. The supercarrier was there all along, just 'cloaked'


It was cloaked? Even better!!!!!


So somehow a mile long ship was able to get past all the slipspace monitoring stations of humanity's Strongest and most fortified fortress, It then somehow was able to cloak! despite this contradicting everything we know about the covenant and not to mention the UNSC sensors and ships would be able to detect the [b] enormous amount of heat from said ship.
But somehow they didn't! The entire reach fleet was destroyed by 1 ship despite and reinforcements were called in despite the planet not being under attack and the UNSC not having communications or knowing about this.



You idiots should know that supporting "this version" of reach just makes both sides look utterly stupid. The UNSC has to be the dumbest Faction of race in Sc-Fi if it was so God-damn easy for a covenant super carrier to completely siege reach all by itself for a month.Not to mention if the UNSC decided that it was "smarter" to have a SMAC aim at the planet to destroy one shield-less Covenant corvette than send in a frigate or squadron of longswords then they are @@itty tacticians and i don't see how they have lasted in this war.

The UNSC should now be pushed lower on the overall technological tier if their ships do not have thermal sensors to detect a mile long ship just dicking around in orbit for a month.
Speaking of technology If i can destroy 1 of 3 relays for the planet to be completely black then they are stupid engineers .


NOW LETS WORK ON THE COVENANT !!!!

This race must be the dumbest conglomerate of aliens if they decide to use 1 cloaked ship at the end of the war and never use them again. So after 27 years of fighting now you decide to use ships with camo? whats wrong you got tired of losing ships in space that you could easily replace? Hey truth "why didn't you just give all your ships camo so that way you would lose far less ships in space"? seriously, if you had camo all along you could have won at harvest,Groombridge,XI Bootus A or any other engagement you lost in space.

SMAC rounds knocking you down at earth?GO CAMO, Schism over high charity GO CA-- wait the covenant has thermal sensors and the brutes would notice you?
I didn't know that you had to be space faring for over 3,000 years to think think thermal sensors were a good idea and sense you have them we can assume the forerunners did also since you get everything from them.

Am i done yet? No no not at all; see i just got off the phone with regret and he told me (in his mystical voice) that they found reach to be the most important engagement so they used their one cloaked SC on reach, boy was that a funny convo. He Told me that he knew truth was going to get ride of him so he wasted the on SC that could go camo which turns out to be the reason truth [b]did
want to kill him.


Really people, your making the haloverse degrading if you are supporting this

[Edited on 07.01.2011 6:14 AM PDT]

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: Dustin 6047
It says "orbital defenses are standing by". SMACs aren't the only orbital defense. Thinking about it now, (which contradicts what I was saying) I think they simpily used a Frigate to kill the Corvette.

And for the Super carrier, (I've said this before, but) the Covenant must have spent a lot of time and effort on this one ship. I don't think putting camo on all of their ships is very resource effective or even possible. This Super carrier must have been the ship of the line, the state of the art. That's why it left slipspace undetected, that's why it was camoflauged, that's why it was so damn big. They were not (f)ucking around with that ship.


The issue is that the UNSC can detect ships in slipspace, same with the covenant.

The covenant seem to have a very very large economy seeing how they shell out ships like nothing and i don't understand how it would not be possible. since everybody seems to think that it is easy to slap camo on that ship to start with.

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Posted by: Dustin 6047
Well the Covenant are stupid. We even have this technology today. Just barely though. There is a suit that people can wear and see right through it. I swear, if I was the camera man and not the person watching the TV, I would have crapped my pants.


your idea isn't holding up because the covenant wouldn't do that.

They kept the "sniper ship" they had at reach far from the lines because they didn't want to chance it even getting fired at.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: Dustin 6047
Assuming that sniper ship means the super carrier, I also agree with this being the reason why it was not shot at by the ODPs. And why the UNSC fleet didn't attck it, I think it was because they knew that Noble team was going to take it out. The only argument against that is the fact that it was uncloaked for 5 days when Kat finaly made her plan to destroy the ship. That's 5 days of time Reach's fleet sat on their butts eating potato chips.


"Thankfully, help is imminent. Sixty percent of the UNSC fleet is en route to Reach from existing deployments. The first battle group should arrive within forty-eight hours."

"That thing's crushing us, and we're waiting for backup? They'll be backing up a graveyard."

Which implies that the home fleet was wiped out by the SC

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: Dustin 6047
1 Covenant Super carrier > 100 UNSC ships and 20 ODPs

This is what you are saying?


That is what the game is saying.

  • 07.01.2011 12:10 PM PDT

Even the shear size of an SMAC would more damage the the one in the cut scene. Even on, "waste a shot" mode.

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Posted by: boogerman77
Even the shear size of an SMAC would more damage the the one in the cut scene. Even on, "waste a shot" mode.

somebody knows physics

  • 07.01.2011 12:14 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: boogerman77
Even the shear size of an SMAC would more damage the the one in the cut scene. Even on, "waste a shot" mode.

somebody knows physics


Honestly you could drop the thing and it probably gain more momentum then the shot we see but i guess that arguement died down and we're on cloaking a Supercarrier now.

  • 07.01.2011 12:24 PM PDT

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