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"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum
Posted by: Kili
If facts, logic and common sense are impenetrable to the Covenant, then they are stupid.
Same goes for humans. Some of them are fanatics, other believe they're right. Try to persuade to fanatics that they're wrong - it is really hard. For example, -blam!- Germans - when people said that their ideology was wrong, Hitler was able to came to the top of power and challenge world.
The difference is that almost the entire Covenant has remained stagnant in beliefs that would easily be dispelled by facts and logic. For all this time, none of them have raised significant numbers to inspire change.
Posted by: Kili
What I saw in your post is that you're not trying to understand what was driving Covies to behave in their own way, but you judge them with your own system of moral values.
You should look at their culture, believes and try to put yourself in their shoes. Then you can judge them.
I don't subscribe to this friendly policy. Peoples political views are up for debate, peoples religious views are up for debate, as are your economical views, your scientific views and you views on football. I see morality as being no different. Yes I am aware of Moral Relativism, but that does not mean that I have to automatically respect other peoples beliefs. If you base your morals on beliefs that are quite easily proven false, as nothing more than superstition, and continue to follow them in ignorance, especially with beliefs as harmful and as fascist as the Covenant's beliefs (Some primitively barbaric with no substantial proof), then there is a lack of intellect in there. I guess I am...Objectivist?
Not that they know their beliefs are atavistic though. However their inability to see how backwards they are is what I am getting at.
Posted by: Kili
I will tell you something what happened in 1939... 205 Polish soldiers defending Westerplatte - they had ammo and food supplies for aprox. 2 days of defense. They were defending against attacks from air, water and land (including 220mm artillery) for 7 days. In fight with them -blam!- Germans deployed thousands of troops. Those are facts. Germans gave them chance to surrender (they gave facts that Polish soldiers were greatly outnumbered, had little chance to defend for more than few hours with no reinforcements and from strategic point of view they would lost their fight) but they refused. Were they stupid fighting with no chances for victory? No, now they're called heroes. Not everything can be persuaded with logic or common sense.
It depends entirely on what their motivation was. If their motivation was to actually win that battle, then yes they would be idiots given the fact of the situation. However it is unlikely that was the case. If they wanted to be martyrs, to spread a message of defiance to their people, then they would not be fools at all.
Posted by: Kili
I never said that Sangheili were superior to the Humans. I've said only, that they weren't stupid. In my opinion they were at the same level of intelligence as Humans.
I thought you implied that when you said this in your first post:
"Well, if they are stupid then what about humans?"
But if that is not what you meant then I guess there is no need to continue. I agree with what you just said there.