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Subject: I think master chief isnt that good in close combat.

Ahh it's you. Been a while hasn't it? We WILL finish this.


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Dont worry im not some chief hater. And im not saying the words I say are the truth. Just what I noticed and think from the book

My reason to be thinking this is because of how john fought elites in hand to hand combat in the books compared to the other spartan IIs and some spartan IIIs. In Fall of Reach John takes on an elite minor in the space station thingie. But John seems to be having trouble beating him down. Here it is from the books:

Halo:fall of reach page 314-315(This belongs to bungie just in case I get sued by a white man)

The master chief pushed off the wall and launched himself at the creature.He slammed into the elite before it had a chance to fire.

They tumbled backward and crashed into the bulkhead. The master chief saw the alien's shield flicker and fade-
-he hammered on the edge of the alien's gun. The creature howled soundlessly in the vacuum and dropped the plasma weapon. The Elite kicked him in the midsection; his shield took the brunt of the attack,but the blow sent him spinning end over end. He slapped his hand against the ceiling and stalled his spin-then dove under the elite's follow up attack.

The chief tried to grab the alien-but their weakened shields slid and crackled over one another. Too slippery. They bounced down the curved length of the passage.(SKIPPING because this si taking too long)

The Master chief jumped grabbed its wrist.He locked his armor's glove articulation-it became a vise clamp.

They wrestled for control. The gun pointed at the alien-then the master chief.

The alien was string as the master chief.


Also in first strike chief struggled with a spec ops elite yet in ghosts of onyx kelly and will were kicking ass.

[Edited on 07.02.2011 5:47 PM PDT]

  • 07.02.2011 5:46 PM PDT

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All spartans had some things they werent so great at. And in my opinion, John wasnt the best spartan. He may have not been that great at hand to hand combat compared to some other spartans, though he was certainly better than normal marines.

  • 07.02.2011 5:53 PM PDT

Didn't Kelly have an energy sword? Besides, elites are as strong or stronger than spartans. Spartans are just more tactical and intelligent. Not sure about will though. Are you talking about the hunters?

[Edited on 07.02.2011 6:01 PM PDT]

  • 07.02.2011 5:59 PM PDT

"The measure of a man is what he does with power"-Plato

John wasn't exceptionally skilled in any weapon field for a SPARTAN. He was the bravest and luckiest and an exceptional team leader.

  • 07.02.2011 6:11 PM PDT

Yes... I can dodge ducks... and slow moving bullets.

Also a 0-gravity environment is a hard environment to fight hand to hand effectively

  • 07.02.2011 6:28 PM PDT
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John wasn't exceptionally skilled in any weapon field for a SPARTAN. He was the bravest and luckiest and an exceptional team leader.



for anybody that plays any RPG MC has all his skills at 5 while luck is max out

  • 07.02.2011 6:39 PM PDT


Posted by: Clark 714
All spartans had some things they werent so great at. And in my opinion, John wasnt the best spartan. He may have not been that great at hand to hand combat compared to some other spartans, though he was certainly better than normal marines.

Fluffy kittens are better than normal marines...

[Edited on 07.02.2011 6:42 PM PDT]

  • 07.02.2011 6:42 PM PDT
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He was in a Zero-G environment. I give him an A+ on how he handled the Elite.

  • 07.02.2011 6:46 PM PDT

-blam!- Was that actually blammed out? Or did I just type it? You'll never know.

Are you kidding? I've done runs of each game using only my fists.

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Posted by: dahuterschuter
Are you kidding? I've done runs of each game using only my fists.


you couldn't have done them on legendary, I couldn't even do that.

  • 07.02.2011 7:43 PM PDT

Posted by: Clark 714
All spartans had some things they werent so great at. And in my opinion, John wasnt the best spartan. He may have not been that great at hand to hand combat compared to some other spartans, though he was certainly better than normal marines.


John was best at two things. Them being leadership and luck.

Other than that, John is average and the other Spartans seem to be the ones who specialize.

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when it comes to close combat spartan, it has to be nicole (DOA 4):)

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Posted by: Clark 714
All spartans had some things they werent so great at. And in my opinion, John wasnt the best spartan. He may have not been that great at hand to hand combat compared to some other spartans, though he was certainly better than normal marines.


John was best at two things. Them being leadership and luck.
Leadership is disputable.

Granted, he was a great leader, and one of the best, but not the best.
I prefer the Master Chief to most of the other Spartans, but I still have to say that Kurt clearly outshines him on the leadership front.

  • 07.02.2011 7:50 PM PDT

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Posted by: Sniffy66
Didn't Kelly have an energy sword? Besides, elites are as strong or stronger than spartans. Spartans are just more tactical and intelligent. Not sure about will though. Are you talking about the hunters?


Not true. Minors are usually just a little bit weaker than spartans. Ultras or spec op leaders are sometimes as strong or stronger than spartans. Zealots are just a little bit stronger than spartans but spartans have still killed hundreds of them over the war.

  • 07.05.2011 9:52 AM PDT

yeah bro you go try and fight some one in a zero G enviroment, see how good you do

  • 07.05.2011 9:56 AM PDT

I wouldn't say John is particularly skilled in any specific field of combat - including hand-to-hand. That said, he is by far one of the luckiest Spartans.

  • 07.05.2011 10:36 AM PDT

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Posted by: dahuterschuter
Are you kidding? I've done runs of each game using only my fists.


you couldn't have done them on legendary, I couldn't even do that.


You can if you circle around them while only punch it takes 3 punches dude...

  • 07.05.2011 10:43 AM PDT

All MC can do is punch.

Noble Six stabs.

  • 07.05.2011 11:06 AM PDT

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I think the Chief is the perfect example of an all-arounder Spartan, there is no mention of him being terrible or exceptional in any skill (besides his leadership capability). Elites are tough enemies, and are meant to be the Spartan equivalent hence a stalemate against an Elite makes sense and gives the universe a tough edge; Spartans are exceptional warriors but so are Elites.

  • 07.05.2011 12:59 PM PDT

No u


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Posted by: bat out of h3ll
Posted by: Clark 714
All spartans had some things they werent so great at. And in my opinion, John wasnt the best spartan. He may have not been that great at hand to hand combat compared to some other spartans, though he was certainly better than normal marines.


John was best at two things. Them being leadership and luck.
Leadership is disputable.

Granted, he was a great leader, and one of the best, but not the best.
I prefer the Master Chief to most of the other Spartans, but I still have to say that Kurt clearly outshines him on the leadership front.


I disagree. Kurt was not chosen to lead the whole team of Spartan IIs, John was, and Mendez himself chose him.

That said, I assume you will say "but Kurt trained the Spartan IIIs..." or something along those lines. He was chosen to train the Spartan IIIs by Ackerson because John was the Spartan IIs leader. I'm sure Ackerson looked closely at John, and many other Spartans, including Kurt and Jerome. But he eventually came to Kurt because he was an exceptional leader, and because John was team leader of the Spartans.

  • 07.05.2011 1:06 PM PDT

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Along with what others have said above about John not being particularly exceptional at hand-to-hand combat (like Will), you also seem to be forgetting that this was a zero-G fight. How much training do you think they really would have had for hand-to-hand combat in zero-G?

[Edited on 07.05.2011 1:12 PM PDT]

  • 07.05.2011 1:10 PM PDT

No u

They don't have much zero g training, although if i'm not mistaken, the best zero g fighter was Li.

  • 07.05.2011 1:14 PM PDT

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Posted by: bat out of h3ll
Posted by: Clark 714
All spartans had some things they werent so great at. And in my opinion, John wasnt the best spartan. He may have not been that great at hand to hand combat compared to some other spartans, though he was certainly better than normal marines.


John was best at two things. Them being leadership and luck.
Leadership is disputable.

Granted, he was a great leader, and one of the best, but not the best.
I prefer the Master Chief to most of the other Spartans, but I still have to say that Kurt clearly outshines him on the leadership front.


I disagree. Kurt was not chosen to lead the whole team of Spartan IIs, John was, and Mendez himself chose him.

That said, I assume you will say "but Kurt trained the Spartan IIIs..." or something along those lines. He was chosen to train the Spartan IIIs by Ackerson because John was the Spartan IIs leader. I'm sure Ackerson looked closely at John, and many other Spartans, including Kurt and Jerome. But he eventually came to Kurt because he was an exceptional leader, and because John was team leader of the Spartans.


Mendez always thought Kurt could be a better leader than John during training, even though Halsey didn't, cause you know, her favoritism.

and Ackerson chose Kurt because unlike the rest of the Spartan II's (John more so than the others) Kurt actually had a personality, he was the more humane Spartan II, even more so than Jorge in my opinion. He got along with other troopers unlike the rest of them who alienated themselves and thought of Kurt as an easily distracted soldier (even though he was the one that took more attention subliminally).

  • 07.05.2011 1:16 PM PDT

No u


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Posted by: Doctor Jensen

Posted by: ZedFish

Posted by: bat out of h3ll
Posted by: Clark 714
All spartans had some things they werent so great at. And in my opinion, John wasnt the best spartan. He may have not been that great at hand to hand combat compared to some other spartans, though he was certainly better than normal marines.


John was best at two things. Them being leadership and luck.
Leadership is disputable.

Granted, he was a great leader, and one of the best, but not the best.
I prefer the Master Chief to most of the other Spartans, but I still have to say that Kurt clearly outshines him on the leadership front.


I disagree. Kurt was not chosen to lead the whole team of Spartan IIs, John was, and Mendez himself chose him.

That said, I assume you will say "but Kurt trained the Spartan IIIs..." or something along those lines. He was chosen to train the Spartan IIIs by Ackerson because John was the Spartan IIs leader. I'm sure Ackerson looked closely at John, and many other Spartans, including Kurt and Jerome. But he eventually came to Kurt because he was an exceptional leader, and because John was team leader of the Spartans.


Mendez always thought Kurt could be a better leader than John during training, even though Halsey didn't, cause you know, her favoritism.

and Ackerson chose Kurt because unlike the rest of the Spartan II's (John more so than the others) Kurt actually had a personality, he was the more humane Spartan II, even more so than Jorge in my opinion. He got along with other troopers unlike the rest of them who alienated themselves and thought of Kurt as an easily distracted soldier (even though he was the one that took more attention subliminally).


Perhaps this is true. I believe that, although John was not like Kurt, he was also quite humane. He hated killing rebels and he saved Johnson when there was a chance that Johnson's DNA could save the galaxy from the flood.

Also, I'm curious, where in Ghosts of Onyx does it say that Mendez thinks Kurt is a better leader than John? Page number would be appreciated. Thanks.

  • 07.05.2011 1:28 PM PDT

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Posted by: Doctor Jensen

Perhaps this is true. I believe that, although John was not like Kurt, he was also quite humane. He hated killing rebels and he saved Johnson when there was a chance that Johnson's DNA could save the galaxy from the flood.

Also, I'm curious, where in Ghosts of Onyx does it say that Mendez thinks Kurt is a better leader than John? Page number would be appreciated. Thanks.


Dr Halseys personal journey.

  • 07.05.2011 1:36 PM PDT

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