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Subject: A VERY Interesting Comment By Bungie

(THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY A NOBLE TEAM DEATH SPECULATION THREAD)

In the Halo: Reach Legendary Edition Developer Commentary, one of the guys said they don't think Jorge is necessarily dead, and that he might have ended up where Cortana and Chief eventually are. It's very true that they might have been just kidding around, trying to get a rise out of the fans, but you never know...

Just as fan speculation, I think it'd be the definition of awesome if Jorge somehow made his way into Halo 4. Although it's highly unlikely since 343 has been developing and writing Halo 4 not long after the release of Halo 3.

Still, maybe 343 and Bungie have been in touch since then? Maybe during the writing of Reach, Bungie and 343 stayed in contact when writing their stories, and they play off of each other?

Once again, you never know... And please be nice about this. This is good and fun speculation, so don't be an ass.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhsbaA3pjEg&feature=relate d

They say that at 5:48

[Edited on 07.04.2011 3:14 AM PDT]

  • 07.04.2011 3:11 AM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

They were joking. There is no logical way Jorge could have survived and I hope 343 will have the sense to never so much as mention Noble Team again.

  • 07.04.2011 3:13 AM PDT


Posted by: ajw34307
They were joking. There is no logical way Jorge could have survived and I hope 343 will have the sense to never so much as mention Noble Team again.


There's no sure way to know for sure.

  • 07.04.2011 3:15 AM PDT

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Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Posted by: ajw34307
They were joking. There is no logical way Jorge could have survived and I hope 343 will have the sense to never so much as mention Noble Team again.


There's no sure way to know for sure.


That Jorge survived? Unfortunately, the knowledge that he can't come back is imparted in what seems to be a super power these days - common sense.

  • 07.04.2011 3:17 AM PDT


Posted by: ajw34307

Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Posted by: ajw34307
They were joking. There is no logical way Jorge could have survived and I hope 343 will have the sense to never so much as mention Noble Team again.


There's no sure way to know for sure.


That Jorge survived? Unfortunately, the knowledge that he can't come back is imparted in what seems to be a super power these days - common sense.


Way to be a joykill. Ever heard of a plot twist?

  • 07.04.2011 3:21 AM PDT

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Posted by: ajw34307

Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Posted by: ajw34307
They were joking. There is no logical way Jorge could have survived and I hope 343 will have the sense to never so much as mention Noble Team again.


There's no sure way to know for sure.


That Jorge survived? Unfortunately, the knowledge that he can't come back is imparted in what seems to be a super power these days - common sense.


Way to be a joykill. Ever heard of a plot twist?


What good is a plot twist if it makes no sense? Jorge is dead, get over it.

  • 07.04.2011 3:32 AM PDT

-blam!- Was that actually blammed out? Or did I just type it? You'll never know.

It's not that interesting...

But that'd be awesome to have Jorgy and Chief instead of Arby.

  • 07.04.2011 3:40 AM PDT

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It is my honest opinion that I do not believe 343i will treat any of Bungie's games' storylines and characters (other than Chief/Cortana) to any future appearances. I just don't believe it. They'll probably concentrate on the story they've set up in their novels. Specifically Ghosts of Onyx.

The reason we haven't heard anything else regarding that is probably because they weren't allowed to do much more with it until they were sure they owned the Halo IP.

I suspect Microsoft asked Bungie to make another trilogy about post-H3 regarding the other Spartans, and they refused. Hence the split.

  • 07.04.2011 3:47 AM PDT

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Posted by: SonicJohn
I suspect Microsoft asked Bungie to make another trilogy about post-H3 regarding the other Spartans, and they refused. Hence the split.


Or their 10 year contract finished and Bungie wanted to make something else, knowing they could put Halo into the competent hands of Frankie?

  • 07.04.2011 3:57 AM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

Jorge could be alive if you think about it, I mean, the Slipspace bomb only destroyed the Supercarrier because it bisected it, sending the middle somewhere else, BUT! the Corvette and the middle section of the Long Night of Solace should be unharmed due to them being inside the portal.

  • 07.04.2011 3:59 AM PDT

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Jorge could be alive if you think about it, I mean, the Slipspace bomb only destroyed the Supercarrier because it bisected it, sending the middle somewhere else, BUT! the Corvette and the middle section of the Long Night of Solace should be unharmed due to them being inside the portal.


The epicentre of the detonation was inside the Ardent Prayer. Slipspace tears space open, notice how every other iteration of a slipspace transaction has the portal open at the bow of the ship. If the "edges" of the slipspace portal sheared through the LNoS, then they'd have had to tear through the Corvette too.

Jorge had no helmet on, he'd have had exposure to vacuum and radiation. Even if he managed to get it back on, MJOLNIR Mark V has about 80 minutes of oxygen. Slipspace transactions can take weeks/months.

Jorge had accepted he was going to die, his purpose in the story was fulfilled. There is nothing to accomplish by bringing him back, it would be like bringing Kurt back. Pointless and senseless.

  • 07.04.2011 4:10 AM PDT

no because bringing Kurt back would be stupid, he took a nuclear explosion to the face. Jorge 'death' is nothing of the sort, and could have survived the event, it does after-all look like the whole Corvette goes and the middle section of the Solace. so assuming the Corvette isn't vaporised or something, Jorge is a SPARTAN-II, survival is his game so I think the potential to keep that 'story arc' open is important because Jorge is alive if 343 say he is alive!

though common sense would suggest that Jorge isn't coming back, but never know, same thing applies to Jun since he just disappeared!

  • 07.04.2011 5:53 AM PDT

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Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
no because bringing Kurt back would be stupid, he took a nuclear explosion to the face. Jorge 'death' is nothing of the sort, and could have survived the event, it does after-all look like the whole Corvette goes and the middle section of the Solace. so assuming the Corvette isn't vaporised or something, Jorge is a SPARTAN-II, survival is his game so I think the potential to keep that 'story arc' open is important because Jorge is alive if 343 say he is alive!

though common sense would suggest that Jorge isn't coming back, but never know, same thing applies to Jun since he just disappeared!


Jun disappeared as he was embarassed to be associated with Noble Team/Halo:Reach. Even Jorge/Carter took their own lives so they could rid themselves of Noble Team.

  • 07.04.2011 6:11 AM PDT

DIE MORE LIVE LESS

The halo reach walkthrough book has a 343 id tag on it

  • 07.04.2011 6:17 AM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

It's like some people here just dont want to accept Jorge is dead...

  • 07.04.2011 7:48 AM PDT

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Jorge is the only "death" in Halo Reach that seems ambiguous. I also wonder if he survived the jump, but I suspect he died almost immediately afterwards.

  • 07.04.2011 8:19 AM PDT

Meh, look at the portal when it formed. It starts inside the corvette, and blooms outward. The hanger Jorge was in would enter the portal before the outer hull, inverting the ship.

Then he'd have to exit slipspace within 90 minutes and somehow end up in a place with atmosphere(If he got his helm back on). That's more unlikely with the fact there wasn't even an exit point plotted into the drive, it was just set to go off.

Not trying to be a killjoy, but those are the facts I've noticed <_<

  • 07.04.2011 8:21 AM PDT

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Posted by: ajw34307
The epicentre of the detonation was inside the Ardent Prayer. Slipspace tears space open, notice how every other iteration of a slipspace transaction has the portal open at the bow of the ship. If the "edges" of the slipspace portal sheared through the LNoS, then they'd have had to tear through the Corvette too.


That doesn't make sense at all, if it acts that way that you described it as then every single slipspace jump human side would end in disaster. Even then the improperly mounted slipspace drive was never confirmed to completely tear up the ship that was recently torn in half. The ship could come out the same on the other side, just missing one half. In all likelihood it will enter slipspace normally considering how large the bubble was. It most likely engulfed the entire corvette.

Jorge had no helmet on, he'd have had exposure to vacuum and radiation. Even if he managed to get it back on, MJOLNIR Mark V has about 80 minutes of oxygen. Slipspace transactions can take weeks/months.

Yes the suit only has an hour and 20 minutes of oxygen, but it doesn't mean the ship itself doesn't have oxygen on it. Seeing how that ship has to have some regulations on how long it stays in space before it needs to refuel. The key factor being that the ton of dead covies are no longer going to need that oxygen. Jorge will have plenty of oxygen.

We never see him put his helmet back on, but then again we never see him not put it on either. It's all speculation at this point, and during times of speculation you want to go for the more logical choice. Doesn't always come out that way, maybe jorge kept his helmet off knowing the end was coming.

Jorge had accepted he was going to die, his purpose in the story was fulfilled. There is nothing to accomplish by bringing him back, it would be like bringing Kurt back. Pointless and senseless.

It's a little bit different. The other situation has a slight chance of survival, the other is one that you can not survive.

But all in all jorge is most likely going to die. He would have to jump to a really lucky destination to get out of that carrier. And if he was to jump to that legendary ending planet, then he would most likely run out of oxygen before he would arrive at that destination.

  • 07.04.2011 8:45 AM PDT


Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Jorge could be alive if you think about it, I mean, the Slipspace bomb only destroyed the Supercarrier because it bisected it, sending the middle somewhere else, BUT! the Corvette and the middle section of the Long Night of Solace should be unharmed due to them being inside the portal.


That's what I've thought for a while now. Ever since I saw Jorge's death I thought it a possibility for him to return, either in fanfics (like with me :P ) or in official source material if 343i were so minded to do so. His death really is ambiguous, yeah for all intents and purposes he is dead, but there is still the very highly likely chance for survival, it's essentially the same scenario as with Master Chief at the end of Halo 3.

  • 07.04.2011 8:59 AM PDT

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I think if anything they will have a dead spartan with what looks like Jorges armor That is what I think they can do.

  • 07.04.2011 9:10 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

Did any of you actually play the game more or less have an understanding of slipspace?


Jorge took his helmet off so even if the trip were to send him any were he would die do to no oxygen.

When ships go into slipspace they need to be of a certain sized and strength so they don't get torn apart, which is why ships that are heavily damage normally avoid going into slipspace.
This being said the middle of the ship being launched into slipspace isn't going to survive anything, it is going to be crushed once it enters slipspace and obliterated

and if anybody listens to them you can clearly hear the sarcasm in their voice not to mention them laughing about it, this might aswell be a troll thread.

[Edited on 07.04.2011 9:27 AM PDT]

  • 07.04.2011 9:24 AM PDT

Tinyohyeah, that's how human slipspace drives work pal, they tear a hole into slipspace. A properly mounted drive cause the portal to form well infront of the ship, posing no risk.

Anyway, sure I can give there being a slight chance of Jorge surviving (If he had gotten his helm on before pushing the button) but the reality of arriving someplace within the timeframe(as again, no exit point was plotted so it might not even drop out of slipspace at all) with atmosphere is slim...

I'm going by my description, if the corvette survived the portal opening, it's a mangled mess and probably doesn't have much of anyplace that has wall integrity/doors to hold atmosphere.

  • 07.04.2011 9:32 AM PDT

Except it was bomb.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

It was a joke nothing more, bungie themselves say in the next vid that he is dead

  • 07.04.2011 9:37 AM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Tinyohyeah, that's how human slipspace drives work pal, they tear a hole into slipspace. A properly mounted drive cause the portal to form well infront of the ship, posing no risk.


I understand the basics of slipspace, as do some people, but no one is certain how it works at all times. No one really knows what did happen to the ship that didn't have a properly mounted drive, and we can only make guesses based on fictional people inside the canon itself making guesses. Speculation at it's best.

But the thing that is bothering me is that we really don't understand slipspace at all. Why does the frigate that master chief travel through survive slipspace? It gets cut right in half and enters slipspace and travels to a planet a while later still intact.

So why can that frigate survive slipspace, and this covenant ship with shields not? Because it didn't enter the bubble as ships normally should? Why does it matter if you enter the bubble rather than not? You're entering a hole either way, doesn't make sense to me why one is far more stable than the other. Yes sure one works all the time but they haven't even mentioned if they tested the other method at all. Every situation we have seen to test this ends with a ship that may never return because A) Doesn't have a destination, or B) Only half of it entered slipspace.


I'm going by my description, if the corvette survived the portal opening, it's a mangled mess and probably doesn't have much of anyplace that has wall integrity/doors to hold atmosphere.

Pure speculation on both sides of these arguments, and in any case he is likely dead. But assuming his death on speculation is not something we should just assume is right. Just saying "He's dead" and acting like it's fact is not the proper approach in these forums.

  • 07.04.2011 9:59 AM PDT

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