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The forward unto dawn, as I take it, entered slipspace as a complete ship, and the portal shut off cutting it in half.

The Ardent Prayer(The corvette), had the portal start inside of it.

Using the basic knowledge of portals and such, If I take something, and put the insides through it before the outside, guess what? The thing will come out inside-out, the interior exiting the portal, THEN the outside. Instead of the ship leaving it like it would a docking port, front half leaving normally, then the rear half.

I'm not saying the corvette wouldn't survive the slipspace travel, I'm saying the portal opening in it's hanger instead of infront of the ship is what would heavily damage/destroy it.

[Edited on 07.04.2011 10:10 AM PDT]

  • 07.04.2011 10:08 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

Forerunner slipspace is far more precise than covenant and human understands; according to the forerunners slipspace is a fabrics that can be strained if slipspace is used too frequently or if something large travels through it.

And the covenant corvette does not have shields.

Covenant try to copy forerunner slipspace methods which is why theirs is more precise than humans.

Halsey said that when slipspace doesn't work properly you most likely will under up in a different dimension

And bungie said he is dead

  • 07.04.2011 10:08 AM PDT

People simply need to understand that its POSSIBLE for Jorge to live. However the chances would be in range of 0.1%.

FACT though is it's POSSIBLE he can survive. No matter how small the chance may be.

Jorge was my favourite spartan, however i'm going to accept his passing.

  • 07.04.2011 10:08 AM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
The forward unto dawn, as I take it, entered slipspace as a complete ship, and the portal shut off cutting it in half.

The Ardent Prayer(The corvette), had the portal start inside of it.

Using the basic knowledge of portals and such, If I take something, and put the insides through it before the outside, guess what? The thing will come out inside-out, the interior exiting the portal, THEN the outside. Instead of the ship leaving it like it would a docking port, front half leaving normally, then the rear half.

I'm not saying the corvette wouldn't survive the slipspace travel, I'm saying the portal opening in it's hanger instead of infront of the ship is what would heavily damage/destroy it.


Turning the ship inside out? I get the inside out part, and the logical progression you had taken, but the point where you thought of this and came to it as a solid logical conclusion confounds me. This is pure speculation, and takes logic and streches it. If slipspace worked that way while opening, why would it work if they entered it in any direction at all? Why would it matter if the front of the ship entered first? If it turns it inside out why would a ship entering slipspace come out in the exact same position on the other side? Again this speculative guessing isn't going to fix anything.

When it comes to forward unto dawn, it had to have entered slipspace. If it didn't it would have been engulfed by the halo array, which means half of the ship went one way, and the other half went another way. Meaning a ship with poor integrity went through slipspace and survived. Sure it's a forerunner portal, but their understanding might not be as great as ours, maybe in concept they understand it better, but we may have the same mathematics in mind.

Which brings me to another point.


Posted by: grey101
Forerunner slipspace is far more precise than covenant and human understands; according to the forerunners slipspace is a fabrics that can be strained if slipspace is used too frequently or if something large travels through it.

And the covenant corvette does not have shields.

Covenant try to copy forerunner slipspace methods which is why theirs is more precise than humans.

Halsey said that when slipspace doesn't work properly you most likely will under up in a different dimension

And bungie said he is dead


1) Yes I made a mistake saying the corvette had shields, my bad.

2) In concept and overall understanding the forerunners have a better control over slipspace. But mathematics wise we are closer than you may think, and #3 will elaborate that a little more.

3) Since the covenant have a closer understanding of slipspace than we do, and only arrive just as fast as we do, then why are we so far away if the covenant are close? Because they travel faster? We open slipspace the same way the covenant do, with a portal in front and waiting to be used. In fact in First strike cortana gets her hands on covenant technology and as far as I can remember (I'll get the exact source and quote later to compare) gives us an understanding that the covenant do not understand slipspace better than we do, they just had a better template where we had to start from scratch. Theirs being more precise and faster only to be comprehended by cortana in a matter of moments in a fashion that allows her to surpass covenant slipspace travel.

4) Bungie didn't really say he was dead, each quote from the legendary commentary is all in context to dialogue within the game, never an aside question amongst each other asking "Is he really dead?". Always "Kat learning of jorge's death" or "Six talking about jorge" (Not direct quotes but the basics). Within the context of the game jorge might as well be dead, because in that game they do not understand slipspace as well as the original story writers would. So no direct confirmation from a bungie employee.

  • 07.04.2011 10:33 AM PDT

No no no! You COMPLETELY misunderstand my points about the slipspace portal.

If you walked through a portal(think the portal game) You end up on the other side, exactly as you were, because when you exit, everything comes out in the order it entered.

If the portal formed INSIDE OF YOU, your guts would appear first, Then you'd have muscle and bones, Finally your skin would appear, and you have a bloody heap of meat. Or if you appear in a human shape, your insides would be jumbled as heck and you'd die damn quick.

This is the concept I'm applying toward the corvette, as the portal started in the middle of the ship instead of infront of it.

Also, again, you misunderstand my point about the Forward Unto Dawn. You act as if the front half of the ship entered the portal and went to the left(for example) to earth, while the rear half entered the portal and went to the right. This is unlikely. It is more likely that the ship entered, and when it was time to LEAVE slipspace, the Forerunner portal spawned at the ark failed, thus the front half arrived over Earth and crashed into the ocean, while the rear half remained in slipspace and kept going for an unknown distance before being deposited into real-space.

  • 07.04.2011 10:48 AM PDT

Jorge is dead.

A human slipspace drive creates millions of microscopic black holes that rip a spherical "hole" into slipspace.

Now, if those black holes can rip apart the fabric of space, I'm pretty sure that anything in the immediate vicinity will be reduced to individual quarks.

Jorge, the Corvette and the midsection of the Supercarrier are now subatomic particles and pure energy floating in slipspace. That's it.

  • 07.04.2011 10:55 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

we are not close to forerunner slipspace whatsoever, they understood everything pertaining to slipspace to the fact they some what though of it as living since it can be stressed out.

human and covenant slipspace is differ ant. covenant tear a small hole while humans rip the sheet of paper; while humans understand the mathematics and physics of it the covenant technology still allows them to use it better.


Are all of you blind to sarcasm? they were giggling the entire time they brought that up and make jokes during the entire commentary. in the very next episode they say without joking jorge is dead. seriously.

This is just like when frankie clearly says no purple in halo 4 all of the little children try finding loopholes are things around it when both canon and the canon head himself support the notion that no covenant will be in halo 4.

I love how when a direct statement of something is said people try to word around it, yet when something indirect is said people accept it as fact.

idiots

  • 07.04.2011 11:02 AM PDT

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Posted by: ajw34307
They were joking. There is no logical way Jorge could have survived and I hope 343 will have the sense to never so much as mention Noble Team again.

Well, you are NOT sure if he got obliterated from the explosion or escaped it on the last sec

  • 07.04.2011 1:44 PM PDT

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Posted by: ajw34307
They were joking. There is no logical way Jorge could have survived and I hope 343 will have the sense to never so much as mention Noble Team again.

Well, you are NOT sure if he got obliterated from the explosion or escaped it on the last sec


I'm not sure at all, you're right. I'm certain.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: Jurubeba3

Posted by: ajw34307
They were joking. There is no logical way Jorge could have survived and I hope 343 will have the sense to never so much as mention Noble Team again.

Well, you are NOT sure if he got obliterated from the explosion or escaped it on the last sec


What? if he escaped he would have still went with the rupture because he wouldn't have the time or speed to get out of the distance.

even if you ignore that he only has 90 mins of air and the whole damn fleet shows up after that.

  • 07.04.2011 1:54 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
No no no! You COMPLETELY misunderstand my points about the slipspace portal.

If you walked through a portal(think the portal game) You end up on the other side, exactly as you were, because when you exit, everything comes out in the order it entered.

If the portal formed INSIDE OF YOU, your guts would appear first, Then you'd have muscle and bones, Finally your skin would appear, and you have a bloody heap of meat. Or if you appear in a human shape, your insides would be jumbled as heck and you'd die damn quick.

This is the concept I'm applying toward the corvette, as the portal started in the middle of the ship instead of infront of it.


No no, I get it, but I just didn't bring across the point I wanted to make. If you were to open that portal front first, then by example that we have seen the front also comes out first upon exiting slipspace. But it doesn't act like the outer hull is first to go, it just acts like that portion arrives first, and almost instantaneously too. Let's say the guts did go first, it wouldn't matter. Because the rebuilding process (The part where something comes out of slipspace) is instantaneous, there is no warbling or rumbling, the hull doesn't shudder or mangle itself because it went into slipspace before the inner support structures came after it. Everything happens so quickly and the portal opens so quickly that it doesn't matter what came first.

If it did matter then there would be complications, like the outer hull would go under immense stress without the inner support structures as it went through slipspace before the rest of the ship did, which spaceships desperately need because it's practically a floating bubble itself, just a hull to support the air on the inside and it would pop like a bubble. Think about it, while the front of the ship enters slip space the rest of the ship is still in normal space. For that to work you must not exit or enter slipspace until everything has either left or entered. Now that's far too much speculation on my part, but in essence nothing is logical about slipspace.

Also, again, you misunderstand my point about the Forward Unto Dawn. You act as if the front half of the ship entered the portal and went to the left(for example) to earth, while the rear half entered the portal and went to the right. This is unlikely. It is more likely that the ship entered, and when it was time to LEAVE slipspace, the Forerunner portal spawned at the ark failed, thus the front half arrived over Earth and crashed into the ocean, while the rear half remained in slipspace and kept going for an unknown distance before being deposited into real-space.

So the forward unto dawn enters slipspace, and exits upon the portal on the ark failing. Leaving the arbiter to luckily end up on earth somehow, and master chief in some random location while traveling through slipspace. Doesn't look too much like that, the front end of the half that master chief is on looks like the two ends of the super carrier, not a clean cut where slipspace happened to fail. Never heard of failing to exit while in slipspace, and I don't think it was failure, I think it was more intentional than we think.

I personally like the idea of Mendicant Bias redirecting the slipspace portal, and while this is up to debate it's far more likely the scenario. Now the details of it are interesting and I never thought of exiting before reaching the destination for half of a ship but then again It doesn't seem likely that the same slipspace portal to earth would just so happen to be an easy cut off point for half of the ship to reach an intended destination in so many years. That appears to be more like luck rather than redemption by mendicant bias.

Loving cryptum by the way, I feel like going around for a third read through.


Posted by: grey101
we are not close to forerunner slipspace whatsoever, they understood everything pertaining to slipspace to the fact they some what though of it as living since it can be stressed out.


Their understanding of it is far superior to us, that I will agree with, but their methods of traveling through it doesn't appear to be anything greater than ours, being faster and more precise does not make it ten times better than ours. Something that could be accomplished in very little time considering how far we have come, and how long it took the foreruners to get where they are today. Hundreds and thousands of years of slipspace and they are just getting around to discovering the effect on lifeforms via the halo effect while in slipspace (Dyson sphere).

Look how far we have traveled, slipspace since what? 2300? Possibly even earlier and we are still getting better at it?

human and covenant slipspace is differ ant. covenant tear a small hole while humans rip the sheet of paper; while humans understand the mathematics and physics of it the covenant technology still allows them to use it better.

That's an explanation of slipspace travel from the non forerunner perspective, something we still need to learn from.

Something tells me that we are not at the point of the forerunners, but that we are already beyond them. Not as in "we are better than them" but more like "we will be better than them considering how far we have come in so little time". Cortana just had a look at covenant slipspace and already found flaws in how they used it, we just have a missing piece of the puzzle, and the most likely chance is that we are already better than the forerunners ever will be. The promise and the prowess of our ingenuity screams progress, what has taken an advanced civilization hundreds of years to develop and maintain and understand (the covenant) took one super smart AI to find flaws with it instantaneously, and not directly instant, but by comparison.


Are all of you blind to sarcasm? they were giggling the entire time they brought that up and make jokes during the entire commentary. in the very next episode they say without joking jorge is dead. seriously.

Sarcastic remarks are not remarks of certainty at all times, now this one is definitely implausible, being the odds of jorge being alive and heading to the same place as the chief is definitely something to be sarcastically talking about, but the idea itself is what being discussed here. No need to call names and ask why is everyone is so oblivious to the matter at hand. If you find yourself saying this then 1)You are right and everyone around you is oblivious, or 2) You are pointing out the obvious and everyone around you would wish you would stop and just join along.


idiots

Good for you, you just insulted people on the internet over some small little thing, feel better?

  • 07.04.2011 3:37 PM PDT

I am the God Emprah of Mankind.

Deal with it.

Umm I don't think so the corvette was essentially inside the super carrier so it should be intact, unlike the hull of the super carrier. So he could survive if he didn't get sent into the middle of nowhere.

Edit: I looked at the video of his death you can see that it expands then collapses making it possible that it would've been a random slipspace jump.

[Edited on 07.04.2011 4:56 PM PDT]

  • 07.04.2011 4:52 PM PDT

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It's possible for Jorge to survive,but unlikely.

  • 07.04.2011 4:59 PM PDT

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If that slipspace was created by one of our slipspace engine(which it was) then it was created by using particle accelerators which create micro black holes that last for nano-seconds, Jorge would have been caught in a few micro black-holes which just doesn't sound good for him. Odds are he is dead.

  • 07.04.2011 10:51 PM PDT

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Posted by: theboxmike
People simply need to understand that its POSSIBLE for Jorge to live. However the chances would be in range of 0.1%.

FACT though is it's POSSIBLE he can survive. No matter how small the chance may be.

Jorge was my favourite spartan, however i'm going to accept his passing.

No, it's not possible actually.

  • 07.04.2011 11:00 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: theboxmike
People simply need to understand that its POSSIBLE for Jorge to live. However the chances would be in range of 0.1%.

FACT though is it's POSSIBLE he can survive. No matter how small the chance may be.

Jorge was my favourite spartan, however i'm going to accept his passing.

No, it's not possible actually.


Nothing is impossible. It is impossible for nothing to be possible, I don't see logic in that. There have been plenty of good explanations for Jorge's survival popping up on this thread. It is HIGHLY UNLIKELY but not impossible...

  • 07.05.2011 2:17 AM PDT


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Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Jorge could be alive if you think about it, I mean, the Slipspace bomb only destroyed the Supercarrier because it bisected it, sending the middle somewhere else, BUT! the Corvette and the middle section of the Long Night of Solace should be unharmed due to them being inside the portal.


The epicentre of the detonation was inside the Ardent Prayer. Slipspace tears space open, notice how every other iteration of a slipspace transaction has the portal open at the bow of the ship. If the "edges" of the slipspace portal sheared through the LNoS, then they'd have had to tear through the Corvette too.

Jorge had no helmet on, he'd have had exposure to vacuum and radiation. Even if he managed to get it back on, MJOLNIR Mark V has about 80 minutes of oxygen. Slipspace transactions can take weeks/months.

Jorge had accepted he was going to die, his purpose in the story was fulfilled. There is nothing to accomplish by bringing him back, it would be like bringing Kurt back. Pointless and senseless.


Who the hell said you could stay here?

It's people like you who ruin Bungie.net, other than the incoherent trolls.

What's annoying is that people are basing their understandings off of pure fiction. Fiction that can easily be bent.

Guys, this is not reality we're talking about. We're talking about a story that's fully capable of retcons and plot twists. I mean, the Halo series has done it countless times before, so why not now?

[Edited on 07.05.2011 3:36 AM PDT]

  • 07.05.2011 3:30 AM PDT

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Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Posted by: ajw34307

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Jorge could be alive if you think about it, I mean, the Slipspace bomb only destroyed the Supercarrier because it bisected it, sending the middle somewhere else, BUT! the Corvette and the middle section of the Long Night of Solace should be unharmed due to them being inside the portal.


The epicentre of the detonation was inside the Ardent Prayer. Slipspace tears space open, notice how every other iteration of a slipspace transaction has the portal open at the bow of the ship. If the "edges" of the slipspace portal sheared through the LNoS, then they'd have had to tear through the Corvette too.

Jorge had no helmet on, he'd have had exposure to vacuum and radiation. Even if he managed to get it back on, MJOLNIR Mark V has about 80 minutes of oxygen. Slipspace transactions can take weeks/months.

Jorge had accepted he was going to die, his purpose in the story was fulfilled. There is nothing to accomplish by bringing him back, it would be like bringing Kurt back. Pointless and senseless.


Who the hell said you could stay here?

It's people like you who ruin Bungie.net, other than the incoherent trolls.

What's annoying is that people are basing their understandings off of pure fiction. Fiction that can easily be bent.

Guys, this is not reality we're talking about. We're talking about a story that's fully capable of retcons and plot twists. I mean, the Halo series has done it countless times before, so why not now?


I go wherever I want, try and stop me.

I honestly couldn't give a flying toss what you think about "people like me", but I'm curious as to how I have "ruined Bungie.net". If anything, it's the idiots who spout moronic drivel like "Noble Six could have lived", and "lawl Jorge survived".

What you have failed to realise I'm using evidence from the Halo universe, not real life here. So cry me a river, shut up and get out.

  • 07.05.2011 3:47 AM PDT

Methinks someone be a troll.

Using evidence from the novels? The same novels that Bungie declared non-canon with Reach? Hm...

  • 07.05.2011 3:51 AM PDT

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Posted by: BlueRuby2k10
Methinks someone be a troll.

Using evidence from the novels? The same novels that Bungie declared non-canon with Reach? Hm...


Methinks you're an idiot. You even know what a troll does? Clearly not, but you really don't want to go down this road with me.

I don't see Reach affecting Contact Harvest...

  • 07.05.2011 3:59 AM PDT

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Posted by: vienonen
Jorge is dead.

A human slipspace drive creates millions of microscopic black holes that rip a spherical "hole" into slipspace.

Now, if those black holes can rip apart the fabric of space, I'm pretty sure that anything in the immediate vicinity will be reduced to individual quarks.

Jorge, the Corvette and the midsection of the Supercarrier are now subatomic particles and pure energy floating in slipspace. That's it.


If that were the case then every human ship to enter slipspace would have been vaporised.

[Edited on 07.05.2011 4:12 AM PDT]

  • 07.05.2011 4:12 AM PDT

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Posted by: vienonen
Jorge is dead.

A human slipspace drive creates millions of microscopic black holes that rip a spherical "hole" into slipspace.

Now, if those black holes can rip apart the fabric of space, I'm pretty sure that anything in the immediate vicinity will be reduced to individual quarks.

Jorge, the Corvette and the midsection of the Supercarrier are now subatomic particles and pure energy floating in slipspace. That's it.


If that were the case then every human ship to enter slipspace would have been vaporised.


No because other slipspace drives would have been mounted and maintained properly so the jump would have been stable. They would not be using a makeshift explosive device that was damaged in a firefight and not mounted properly.

  • 07.05.2011 4:16 AM PDT

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Posted by: ajw34307

Posted by: I Judge Bread I

Posted by: vienonen
Jorge is dead.

A human slipspace drive creates millions of microscopic black holes that rip a spherical "hole" into slipspace.

Now, if those black holes can rip apart the fabric of space, I'm pretty sure that anything in the immediate vicinity will be reduced to individual quarks.

Jorge, the Corvette and the midsection of the Supercarrier are now subatomic particles and pure energy floating in slipspace. That's it.


If that were the case then every human ship to enter slipspace would have been vaporised.


No because other slipspace drives would have been mounted and maintained properly so the jump would have been stable. They would not be using a makeshift explosive device that was damaged in a firefight and not mounted properly.


"Damaged in a firefight" and "Not mounted properly" doesn't mean anything to us at this point. We have no proof that those things coulde affect the drive in such a negative way that it would kill Jorge or affect the slipspace jump.

  • 07.05.2011 4:22 AM PDT


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Posted by: BlueRuby2k10
Methinks someone be a troll.

Using evidence from the novels? The same novels that Bungie declared non-canon with Reach? Hm...


Methinks you're an idiot. You even know what a troll does? Clearly not, but you really don't want to go down this road with me.

I don't see Reach affecting Contact Harvest...


Because Contact Harvest was written by someone from Bungie. :D

Microsoft and Bungie clearly had different ideas for the canon. For example, Bungie wanted only one Spartan left alive (Chief) which is why the others don't appear in the games. Why do you think Bungie completely ignored FoR when they made Reach?

Since Reach negates FoR you can't use any information established by the novels in-line with FoR, which means you can't use the slipspace information. You can't use selective reasoning from the novels with Reach either.

It's simply a matter of logic and royalties.

[Edited on 07.05.2011 4:30 AM PDT]

  • 07.05.2011 4:28 AM PDT

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Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Posted by: ajw34307

Posted by: BlueRuby2k10
Methinks someone be a troll.

Using evidence from the novels? The same novels that Bungie declared non-canon with Reach? Hm...


Methinks you're an idiot. You even know what a troll does? Clearly not, but you really don't want to go down this road with me.

I don't see Reach affecting Contact Harvest...


Because Contact Harvest was written by someone from Bungie. :D


Exactly, so it is a valid source of evidence I used. Well done, you inadvertably proved my point.

Microsoft and Bungie clearly had different ideas for the canon. For example, Bungie wanted only one Spartan left alive (Chief) which is why the others don't appear in the games. Why do you think Bungie completely ignored FoR when they made Reach?

Since Reach negates FoR you can't use any information established by the novels in-line with FoR, which means you can't use the slipspace information. You can't use selective reasoning from the novels with Reach.


Where is your evidence of this? You can copy what another member has said but there is absolutely nothing saying "Bungie only wanted 1 Spartan". Bungie could have simply declared the novels non-canon in 2001, or simply just said they didn't want novels following that story.

But ooh, Nylund was given the Halo Story Bible. The other Spartans must've all been in there, and Bungie must've certainly liked what Nylund did because he was commissioned for a further 2 novels.

The "game > book" rubbish may not even carry on to 343's policy. It certainly doesn't seem like it has since 343 are trying to cover Bungie arse with this visual guide.

Urgh, I USED CONTACT HARVEST AS EVIDENCE. it's clear to me you've not even read it because anyone as arrogant as you can't have.

  • 07.05.2011 4:40 AM PDT

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