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Posted by: BlueRuby2k10
Ah, I can negate your first point. Noble Team was obliterated in that game, so it doesn't matter anyway.
Oh but they did want other Spartans then, but just playing the games we would never have known what was to come in Reach. The only thing you have here is that the setting allows for MC to be the last one, but you never knew before hand what Reach would involve and for how long Bungie were planning this. Therefore you cannot know what they were thinking and wanting earlier in the franchise.
Posted by: BlueRuby2k10
There's no video where Bungie says that they only wanted one Spartan left alive, but there is plently of evidence --which I pointed out-- that points toward that explanation.
What, this?:
If Bungie wanted other Spartans, they would have done the same thing they did with Reach, and bend the canon. But since they didn't, it makes it quite evident that they only wanted one Spartan in the first place. It was Microsoft that ordered for an expanded Star War-level universe. Bungie only approved the novels as canon because they supposed they might as well, since at the time, the books and games were still separate. Until Reach, that is, which is why Bungie disregarded FoR, and took the story in their own direction.
This is basically "Because we do not see it must mean that it definitely cannot be true". That is fallacious. I am sure that there are many things that Bungie wanted to do but could not fit into their production schedule. You have no idea what did not make the cut so stop pretending as if you do. Has it also not occurred to you that whilst the backstory was being written before CE came out (Of which TFoR is a part of and was release before CE), Bungie decided not to go to the lengths necessary to show that other Spartans survived because there was already a novel doing just that job to a much better degree?
Posted by: BlueRuby2k10
There are two reason why Game canon > Book canon.
One, Bungie wrote the Halo story, and the series was first thought up as a game franchise.
That still does not solve this ridiculous double standard within the pages of one source. Perhaps the blame of absolute idiocy should be raised to Bungie themselves then. Appealing to authority, doesn't change anything.
Posted by: BlueRuby2k10
Two, Halo is known for the games, not the obscure little books; there are more fans for the games than the books.
Well this is a blatant appeal to popularity. Most fans could care less about the story unfortunately so appealing to these people for "Game story > Book story" does not follow. Most of the fans of the story have probably at one point in their lives looked up something on Halopedia and been exposed to the extended media at one point or another. However given that you cannot produce any statistics for your argument this means nothing.
Posted by: BlueRuby2k10
(to your last paragraph) I never said that the Halo storytelling was good. In fact, it's really half-assed and broken.
So you are quite happy to settle for rubbish than better material just because of what some silly little canon hierarchy tells you? Are you also telling me that Bungie is in fact rubbish at telling a story, as you have said that without the novels Halo's story doesn't make a whole lot of sense? If that is the case then the canon hierarchy makes even less sense in promoting inferior material over other, quality material.
Your entire position is essentially "The evidence wut I give wut I cant source says that Bungie didnt want more Spartans and I know this because they are not there and that indicates that Bungie did not want them because I know their minds. Also the games story is rubbish without books and Bungie want rubbish story over good story."
Your talking a truckload of -blam!-.