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Posted by: Slaskia
They are all examples of the Covenant doing something other than bum rushing with large numbers, so how are they bad examples?

Seems to me, you just want to ignore/deny any evidence that the Covenant is capable of doing something different. Which is a very bad practice....


So at the very end of the war the covenant get smart and are using all this crazy tactics yet they still lose because they obviously weren't doing them right?

Seriously, all truth had to do was send this "recon" fleet to earth before hand.

They take out some SMACs blah blah and then regret randomly shows up and he has a big whole to go through.

I don't get the logic that them only using this tactic on reach is fine. Reach and earth the only planets critical to the war, but the covenant do not know that. So they should have been using this all along when they did attack planets intentionally.


I call that this is going to be supported by 343i making all of these random colonies that were "critical" to the war effort yet they were destroyed by this method to cover bungie's ass

  • 07.06.2011 8:39 AM PDT


Posted by: grey101
Coma please tell me what is wrong with cryptum, please do.

and you used bad examples.

An arbiter was leading during "the heart of..." and we have no idea what is going on with those headhunter elites or the year for that.


All the covenant do is rush with numbers, that is their dogma


I don't think there's anything wrong with Cryptum at all, it's one of my absolute favorites amongst the Halo books. I was trying to use the people who do have problems with it as an example.

Really? That's news to me, I've never heard that. I thought that there were no Arbiters between Thel and Moramee. Headhunters is still an example of the Covenant using stealth and trickery, same with Midlothian, even if the Elite leading the group in it is an Arbiter, why does that make a big difference?

I'm sorry but I really don't think that is entirely accurate. That may be the case with what they do most of the time, but that is because the majority of the time there is no need for anything but brute force due to Humanity's inferior technology. And most of the time there are not enough Human forces to pose a truly significant threat to the Covenant's. With Reach it was different, there were very large numbers of defenses and Human forces there. And even though they would never admit it, the Prophets knew that Humanity posed a serious threat and not just to the Covenant religion. The dialogue between Regret and Moramee in Halo Wars gives a good insight into the way the Prophets had begun to think about the war. Though they beat the humans in practically every battle, more often than not it would be with heavy losses. I think it makes perfect sense that they would use stealth initially at Reach.

And I'll bet the same would have been done at Earth if John and his team hadn't ravaged the fleet around Unyielding Heirophant and Regret hadn't bungled it at Earth by blundering right in and letting the UNSC know the Covenant now knew Earth's location.

  • 07.06.2011 8:49 AM PDT

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Posted by: OrderedComa
It simply does not apply to their military strategy at all.

The fact that Humanity is still existent by the end of Halo 3 speaks against that. If the Covenant were as competent as the UNSC in military strategy and tactics then the war would have been over far quicker than it took, with Earth being glassed as a result.

"Distraction, Diversion, Deceit". As stated by Captain Keyes, it is predictable. The Covenant's arrogance, pride and imitative nature is the only reason the UNSC was able to get a foot in the door and survive. I see Halo as a Happy ending service otherwise, because I see that in reality the Covenant with their level of technology, resources and population would win if they were anything else other than what they have been described as.

Technological developments are heavily integrated into military thinking. Often new technologies are a product of innovation in war tactics and strategies; technology being developed solely for those ideas. The Covenant advance at a snails pace technologically so it again speaks, at least to me, that there is practically no innovation in their war methods.

The tech that they do have has mostly not been specifically designed for any purpose and not from war. They find Forerunner technology, turn it into something and then through trial and error determine whether or not it will remain in use. There is no think tank like approach to warfare. Examples:

The Focus rifle is a reverse engineered sentinel beam, and as a sniper weapon it is laughable. It practically blinds you when firing it, requires you to hold the trigger for a "long" duration, makes an awful noise and lights you up like a Christmas tree. A marksmen would have a better chance of remaining hidden and taking out a target by throwing rocks instead. The Beam rifle suffers from similar problems but is slightly better as it is quieter, instant kill and doesn't blind you, but it still leaves a highly visible trail. Here, these were not specifically designed by someone thinking "lets make a better sniper weapon" they came into being as "Oh hey look at this! Lets try to copy this and use it as a sniper weapon".

The Needler is as dangerous to its firer as it is to its target if those projectiles rebound off of something. The projectiles are relatively speaking slow and visible. Clearly there was no real thought put into this. The Energy Sword is a joke. There is no real attempt at proper tactics there for the simple reason of "Never bring a knife to a gun fight". The Scarab is actually a mining platform for excavating Forerunner artefacts. They don their commanders in elaborate armour (Golds, Whites, Silvers etc) which makes it easier for an opponent to cut off the head of your chain of command. Overall, there has appeared no intuitive thought into war tactics overall from the design of their weapons and their design process. And we can argue that 343i is trying to change that, but everything that they do is on the table with Reach as well. They are just a part of the problem if they bend over backwards.

tl;dr They don't design weapons for a specific role to improve their tactics, they find and reverse engineer something and then apply it. If it works it works, if it doesn't it doesn't. No thought relation between development and tactic seems apparent.

Can you describe to me the way in which the Midnight at the Heart of Midlothian was a trap? All we know is that the Covenant were waiting there for a ship that they could not possibly have even known existed, let alone know that it was on route to that particular location. There is speculation that information was leaked to the Covenant, like the AI assembly revealing colony locations. I don't see any other way that the Covenant could have been there other than from pure chance.

  • 07.06.2011 8:50 AM PDT


Posted by: fxnavarro
The Bungie Universe forums have turned into nothing but Reach haters. TFoR and Reach connect pretty smoothly if you listen closely. There is so much dialogue in Reach that explains the story yet people don't want to accept those. Its really getting old. In fact the arguments against Reach have become completely ignorant and illogical.
Too bad the campaign isn't the only thing wrong with Reach.

  • 07.06.2011 8:52 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: grey101
Coma please tell me what is wrong with cryptum, please do.

and you used bad examples.

An arbiter was leading during "the heart of..." and we have no idea what is going on with those headhunter elites or the year for that.


All the covenant do is rush with numbers, that is their dogma


I don't think there's anything wrong with Cryptum at all, it's one of my absolute favorites amongst the Halo books. I was trying to use the people who do have problems with it as an example.

Really? That's news to me, I've never heard that. I thought that there were no Arbiters between Thel and Moramee. Headhunters is still an example of the Covenant using stealth and trickery, same with Midlothian, even if the Elite leading the group in it is an Arbiter, why does that make a big difference?

I'm sorry but I really don't think that is entirely accurate. That may be the case with what they do most of the time, but that is because the majority of the time there is no need for anything but brute force due to Humanity's inferior technology. And most of the time there are not enough Human forces to pose a truly significant threat to the Covenant's. With Reach it was different, there were very large numbers of defenses and Human forces there. And even though they would never admit it, the Prophets knew that Humanity posed a serious threat and not just to the Covenant religion. The dialogue between Regret and Moramee in Halo Wars gives a good insight into the way the Prophets had begun to think about the war. Though they beat the humans in practically every battle, more often than not it would be with heavy losses. I think it makes perfect sense that they would use stealth initially at Reach.

And I'll bet the same would have been done at Earth if John and his team hadn't ravaged the fleet around Unyielding Heirophant and Regret hadn't bungled it at Earth by blundering right in and letting the UNSC know the Covenant now knew Earth's location.


His garb was described in the story and we saw him in the motion comic...

It is different because the arbiter is leading them and is suppose to complete his mission anyway possible. Example being thel cutting the cords of the forerunner mining station when otherwise it would have been saved.

We know from every one of coles engagements that the covenant have not changed tactics even when being outnumbered, all they do is bring in bigger ships expecting it to even out.


coma you just messed up badly. never apply what one prophet does to the other two We have seen numerous times that the prophets act independently so do not apply what regret was doing/thinking to truth and mercy.


the only issue with that is truth already knew where earth was, so the recon team should have been there regardless of what john did

  • 07.06.2011 8:59 AM PDT


Posted by: grey101
Coma please tell me what is wrong with cryptum, please do.

and you used bad examples.

An arbiter was leading during "the heart of..." and we have no idea what is going on with those headhunter elites or the year for that.


All the covenant do is rush with numbers, that is their dogma


where did you hear an Arbiter was leading that mission?

  • 07.06.2011 9:21 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: grey101
Coma please tell me what is wrong with cryptum, please do.

and you used bad examples.

An arbiter was leading during "the heart of..." and we have no idea what is going on with those headhunter elites or the year for that.


All the covenant do is rush with numbers, that is their dogma


where did you hear an Arbiter was leading that mission?


he was described as having arbiter garb

  • 07.06.2011 9:27 AM PDT

Slightly off topic, but I wanted to point this out. I've both read and watched The Heart of the Milidoran. In the book, it did imply it was an Arbiter leading that strike, but in the motion comic, the Elite look liked a plain old Minor.

Wat?

If that Elite is really supposed to be an Arbiter, you'd think Bungie/343 would have ensured One would have depicted him as such....

  • 07.06.2011 9:29 AM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Raganok,

*Points at the 343 released information talking about the super-carrier being masked* Note the supercarrier is the single largest ship of the Covenant seen IIRC.

Yet they seem to be the only thing the Covenant have ever masked in terms of naval battle, conveniently for Reach...

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Also, a game about the ground battle using purely the book events would be... IMO, very boring. Not lack of imagitation, the simply thing that the book described the UNSC actions (bar the Spartans) groundside as being pathetic at best for a military stronghold, fitting for a lacking ground force.

I mean, who's idea was it to NOT mobilize all ground defensive assets as soon as the covenant were seen in system? The generators and UNSC command should have had armies guarding them, the UNSC air force hunting down and tearing into the dropships as they reached the poles (the skyhawks would be more then able to based on their weapons).

Instead, the dropships flew from the poles to their targets unopposed and deploy overwhelming forces at the locations completely destroying the defenders. This points at the defenders not being ready. All within 2-3 hours. That means travel time just doesn't exist(or was very, very short considering planet size was bigger then earth), and the Covenant could regroup from the lost dropships damn quick...

So, yes, using purely the information from the ground battles, it'd make the UNSC look stupid. Cause frankly releasing the game following the viewpoint of Red team would be... not that much actually added to the canon. '


First, traveling from north to south pole on Earth at Mach 3 takes roughly 5 hours. Depending on how fast the craft can travel (which my guess would be around mach 2-4, anwhere from 1200mph - 3000mph) they could easily navigate Reach in short periods of time. Second, why would you mobolize ground forces across the globe in Reach's situation? Sure, to defend key areas but in all honesty the track record of the Covenant has been to defeat naval resistance than glass the planet from orbit. Its the equivalent of sinking the ships around an island then shelling it for a week till nothing is alive. Ground forces mean jack unless you have something they want (which in the case of the UNSC they didn't know what the Covenant wanted).

[Edited on 07.06.2011 9:33 AM PDT]

  • 07.06.2011 9:32 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: Slaskia
Slightly off topic, but I wanted to point this out. I've both read and watched The Heart of the Milidoran. In the book, it did imply it was an Arbiter leading that strike, but in the motion comic, the Elite look liked a plain old Minor.

Wat?

If that Elite is really supposed to be an Arbiter, you'd think Bungie/343 would have ensured One would have depicted him as such....


I will re-read it again

  • 07.06.2011 9:36 AM PDT

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Slaskia
Slightly off topic, but I wanted to point this out. I've both read and watched The Heart of the Milidoran. In the book, it did imply it was an Arbiter leading that strike, but in the motion comic, the Elite look liked a plain old Minor.

Wat?

If that Elite is really supposed to be an Arbiter, you'd think Bungie/343 would have ensured One would have depicted him as such....


I will re-read it again


Won't need to. The description is as follows from page 127 of the Vol I book:

The Elite stood eight feet tall. In the comparatively bright light of the bridge, Baird saw the dark gray, almost black, armor. He'd faced countless Elites in combat, but this one was like nothing he'd seen before. The Elite's saurian face was largely hidden by an impressively decorated helmet. Whatever ranking it was, it looked important.

-------------

Could be Arbiter armor, or it could be Commando . It's not really that much of a description to go on to really nail what it is with 100% confidence.

  • 07.06.2011 11:52 AM PDT


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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Raganok,

*Points at the 343 released information talking about the super-carrier being masked* Note the supercarrier is the single largest ship of the Covenant seen IIRC.

Yet they seem to be the only thing the Covenant have ever masked in terms of naval battle, conveniently for Reach...

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Also, a game about the ground battle using purely the book events would be... IMO, very boring. Not lack of imagitation, the simply thing that the book described the UNSC actions (bar the Spartans) groundside as being pathetic at best for a military stronghold, fitting for a lacking ground force.

I mean, who's idea was it to NOT mobilize all ground defensive assets as soon as the covenant were seen in system? The generators and UNSC command should have had armies guarding them, the UNSC air force hunting down and tearing into the dropships as they reached the poles (the skyhawks would be more then able to based on their weapons).

Instead, the dropships flew from the poles to their targets unopposed and deploy overwhelming forces at the locations completely destroying the defenders. This points at the defenders not being ready. All within 2-3 hours. That means travel time just doesn't exist(or was very, very short considering planet size was bigger then earth), and the Covenant could regroup from the lost dropships damn quick...

So, yes, using purely the information from the ground battles, it'd make the UNSC look stupid. Cause frankly releasing the game following the viewpoint of Red team would be... not that much actually added to the canon. '


First, traveling from north to south pole on Earth at Mach 3 takes roughly 5 hours. Depending on how fast the craft can travel (which my guess would be around mach 2-4, anwhere from 1200mph - 3000mph) they could easily navigate Reach in short periods of time. Second, why would you mobolize ground forces across the globe in Reach's situation? Sure, to defend key areas but in all honesty the track record of the Covenant has been to defeat naval resistance than glass the planet from orbit. Its the equivalent of sinking the ships around an island then shelling it for a week till nothing is alive. Ground forces mean jack unless you have something they want (which in the case of the UNSC they didn't know what the Covenant wanted).


And did they not think Reach was humanity's homeworld? Thus they would take extra measures to try to ensure success?

Also, the track record I've seen is that the Covenant glass the planets AFTER ground engagements. Besides, mobilizing them means any Covenant ground forces deals with a prepared military force entrenched and ready to wipe them out. Instead in the book the Covenant swept through-half ready forces and defenses, and UNSC aircraft and AA was unused entirely. (Bar a SINGLE bombing run by longswords.)

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Could be Arbiter armor, or it could be Commando . It's not really that much of a description to go on to really nail what it is with 100% confidence.


I'd say commando, there is no way BLACK armor is the armor of any arbiter... From what we've seen the armor is often grey gold, lined with blue-purple and the helmet curves in front of the mouth. I don't see any of this in that description. I mean maybe there's a chance but I doubt it and I can't believe you guys would say that. Remember the the -blam!- ship BLEW UP! So you can even say it was any character that we knew lived past then.

Also the fact that it's an arbiter doesn't mean that they have some special flipping idea to do things and that the rest of the leaders were never were graced with the ability to think... I think the whole rushing into battle is both caused by what (I think Coma)said and due to how they are. The elites are ran by honor and doctrine, though one could argue they since an arbiter has no honor they would act this way. I don't believe that though due to the fact that elites are promoted on kill count. Some are promoted on skill but most do to kill count and that means a large amount of the ideas we see are still based on the ideal of charging your foe and ripping his skull off.

[Edited on 07.06.2011 1:19 PM PDT]

  • 07.06.2011 1:08 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: grey101
Coma please tell me what is wrong with cryptum, please do.

and you used bad examples.

An arbiter was leading during "the heart of..." and we have no idea what is going on with those headhunter elites or the year for that.


All the covenant do is rush with numbers, that is their dogma


I don't think there's anything wrong with Cryptum at all, it's one of my absolute favorites amongst the Halo books. I was trying to use the people who do have problems with it as an example.

Really? That's news to me, I've never heard that. I thought that there were no Arbiters between Thel and Moramee. Headhunters is still an example of the Covenant using stealth and trickery, same with Midlothian, even if the Elite leading the group in it is an Arbiter, why does that make a big difference?

I'm sorry but I really don't think that is entirely accurate. That may be the case with what they do most of the time, but that is because the majority of the time there is no need for anything but brute force due to Humanity's inferior technology. And most of the time there are not enough Human forces to pose a truly significant threat to the Covenant's. With Reach it was different, there were very large numbers of defenses and Human forces there. And even though they would never admit it, the Prophets knew that Humanity posed a serious threat and not just to the Covenant religion. The dialogue between Regret and Moramee in Halo Wars gives a good insight into the way the Prophets had begun to think about the war. Though they beat the humans in practically every battle, more often than not it would be with heavy losses. I think it makes perfect sense that they would use stealth initially at Reach.

And I'll bet the same would have been done at Earth if John and his team hadn't ravaged the fleet around Unyielding Heirophant and Regret hadn't bungled it at Earth by blundering right in and letting the UNSC know the Covenant now knew Earth's location.


His garb was described in the story and we saw him in the motion comic...

It is different because the arbiter is leading them and is suppose to complete his mission anyway possible. Example being thel cutting the cords of the forerunner mining station when otherwise it would have been saved.

We know from every one of coles engagements that the covenant have not changed tactics even when being outnumbered, all they do is bring in bigger ships expecting it to even out.


coma you just messed up badly. never apply what one prophet does to the other two We have seen numerous times that the prophets act independently so do not apply what regret was doing/thinking to truth and mercy.


the only issue with that is truth already knew where earth was, so the recon team should have been there regardless of what john did


Thanks for posting the description Slasher.

Ok, so yeah, after reading the description it does sound like he could be an Arbiter, but I think the motion comic probably would have made his armor resemble all the armor of the other Arbiters if that's what he was really supposed to be.

Please correct me if I'm mistaken, but weren't most if not all of Cole's engagements with the Covenant him going out after them? IE where they were already deployed beyond Covenant space and gaining reinforcements would not be the norm?

I think Regret's mentality in Halo Wars is actually something the Prophets would hold in common, it is true they act independently of each other, but I think an issue of stability of the Covenant such as what Regret was talking about would not be merely his own mind set. The actions he was pursuing would have been his own and most likely independent of Truth and Mercy, but that doesn't mean that the fear of not having enough resources to be able to protect the Covenant and fight a war was only his own.

See, I was under the impression that they were just in the preparatory stage. Some initial scouting of Earth may have been done, but nothing directly leading up to invasion. It didn't seem like they were ready to attack yet.

  • 07.06.2011 1:16 PM PDT

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Posted by: L KOLIEAN L

Could be Arbiter armor, or it could be Commando . It's not really that much of a description to go on to really nail what it is with 100% confidence.


I'd say commando, there is no way BLACK armor is the armor of any arbiter... From what we've seen the armor is often grey gold, lined with blue-purple and the helmet curves in front of the mouth. I don't see any of this in that description. I mean maybe there's a chance but I doubt it and I can't believe you guys would say that. Remember the the -blam!- ship BLEW UP! So you can even say it was any character that we knew lived past then.


Actually it said that it's dark grey. Not black, but rather almost looking like it. As far as I'm aware, the Arbiter is the only Elite shown so far to wear outright greyish armor plating.

Also I didn't quite understand what you were going with the remainder of your paragraph about this ship blowing up. Could you reiterate please?

  • 07.06.2011 1:25 PM PDT

They outright say in halo 2 that Regret jumped the gun, not knowing the humans were even there <_<.

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Sorry what I was going on about was they the armor isn't close to black at all, it's more of a grey gold or silver grey. Also judging on how the armor itself is described I don't see any arbiter in it. I personally think that the fact that the armor comes down over the elite's mouth and the rather unique way that the armor is shaped would stand out more then "The Elite's saurian face was largely hidden by an impressively decorated helmet. " On the same note I also can see where one would think it would be an arbiter but what we have is so vague that we can't just claim it's an arbiter.

As for the ship blowing up part, I'm tired as hell right now but I felt that someone might come up and say that the elite would become an arbiter. But that can't be due to the fact that it blew up.

Again most of this idea came off the topic of tactics (and I'm surprised someone even read that rant) and how I don't see the how arbiters are the only ones to decide to use such tactics, that makes no sense. Case and point the halo wars elite was more hands on and brutal, the H2 arbiter was but wasn't. This was based more on behavior and the idea that each and every leader of covie forces would all act in the same exact way would be...idk just off.

For my bit on why send scouts see the post I made on pg. 6, I need to rewrite it but that will come later.

Sidenote: Anyone else feel disappointed when the elites in headhunters turned out to be ascetics? I imagined them to be different and that's what I think is happening here

http://www.halopedian.com/Arbiter
Idk about this idea but yeah...
http://www.halopedian.com/Ossoona
Maybe it was one of these sense one showed a more normal looking elite in the motion comic
http://www.halopedian.com/Commando_Harness
I don't think it's this
http://www.halopedian.com/Stealth_Sangheili
same as ossoona

The thing also could be a change in how all of the armors look (following reach) and that could explain abit of the differences.

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  • 07.06.2011 1:57 PM PDT

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Posted by: L KOLIEAN L
Sorry what I was going on about was they the armor isn't close to black at all, it's more of a grey gold or silver grey. Also judging on how the armor itself is described I don't see any arbiter in it. I personally think that the fact that the armor comes down over the elite's mouth and the rather unique way that the armor is shaped would stand out more then "The Elite's saurian face was largely hidden by an impressively decorated helmet. " On the same note I also can see where one would think it would be an arbiter but what we have is so vague that we can't just claim it's an arbiter.

As for the ship blowing up part, I'm tired as hell right now but I felt that someone might come up and say that the elite would become an arbiter. But that can't be due to the fact that it blew up.


I got the first part about coloration just fine earlier. I was talking about the later half of that same paragraph about the ship blowing off.

I should clarify that first off I'm not personally claiming outright with certainty that it is an Arbiter in the first place. Hence why I said that no one can nail down the identity of the Elite with 100% confidence. However, the reason why I suggested the slight possibility it could be an Arbiter in the first place is because, again, out of all the known Elite armor configurations and colors we have seen, we know that the Arbiter armor is the only known armor at this time to be grey at all. No other armors are actually grey, just the Arbiter's. The fact that the Arbiter armor isn't black just goes along with that point that it's grey. Also saying that it isn't even remotely black isn't quite true. While yes the Arbiter armor in Halo 3 can appear golden greyish as can be seen here. It can also be said that it appears that way due to how the lighting is in the surrounding area because in the same game under a different environment, where the light is not as harsh as the later levels of the game, it can appear blackish grey as can be seen here.

Second off, I don't think anyone here has even mentioned or theorized that the Elite, or anyone for that matter, survived the ship blowing up. Let alone being promoted to Arbiter afterwards. I'm pretty sure that anyone canon savvy wouldn't propose such a thing. Rather instead, the theory that Grey suggested was that the Elite leading the ops on the ship already was one.

  • 07.06.2011 2:13 PM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

The arbiters armor was always Silver/Bronze

How is that anything like "Grayish/Black."

Until this thread I had never heard anyone say the Elite on the Midlothian was an arbiter.

  • 07.06.2011 3:25 PM PDT

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Posted by: privet caboose
How is that anything like "Grayish/Black."


This look like silver/bronze to you? I can definitely see silver being consistent throughout Halo 2, 3, and Wars, but the only time the Arbiter armor looks remotely like a brownish gold bronze color is in Halo 3, and even then, only during certain scenes and areas where the lighting is particularly harsh such as the Ark control room in The Covenant, Cortana, and the burning areas outdoors on Halo after Sparks is taken care of.

  • 07.06.2011 3:35 PM PDT

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Actually you do bring up[ a good point I hadn't considered, the lighting of the area was blue right? Using that I actually can se how the armor could be an arbiter, still I'll hold to my chips.

As for grey it could also be any shade of grey, though of course any close to black. Pretty my whole point rides off the idea that the armor is close to black.

As for the ship bit, as I said before I just added that bit in there in case it was addressed or theorized on. I apologize for my tone, again sleep is hard to come by right now. Lack of sleep never mixes well with how I type and then most of my words end up with this weird harsh tone while I rant. I wanted to make it clear (in case you felt that I was attacking) that really I'm more curious then anything. Anyways I've had my combat nap and now it's back to busting my ass so I'll respond later.

  • 07.06.2011 3:45 PM PDT

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Posted by: privet caboose
The arbiters armor was always Silver/Bronze

How is that anything like "Grayish/Black."

Until this thread I had never heard anyone say the Elite on the Midlothian was an arbiter.


This is the same for me, I found it odd that this suddenly came up to...

  • 07.06.2011 3:46 PM PDT
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Funny thing is that if SC somehow gets in the Reach via cloaking, then Covenant would have won the war against humanity in 20 years ago.

And Covenant aren't exactly smart bunch, you know. Speaking militarily and scientifically...

  • 07.06.2011 3:52 PM PDT


Posted by: raganok99
Funny thing is that if SC somehow gets in the Reach via cloaking, then Covenant would have won the war against humanity in 20 years ago.

And Covenant aren't exactly smart bunch, you know. Speaking militarily and scientifically...


and how does that connect at all?

As somebody said, Reach was the first (or one of the very few) planets the Covenant entered the system KNOWING humans were there.

  • 07.06.2011 5:58 PM PDT