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Posted by: grey101
Coma there is already a link.

>*Sigh* halo evolutions page 506-507

"....But it was not long before the primitive nature of the brutes pulled their fighting cohesion apart and split their new power among several internecine struggles. The prophets had largely disappeared..... some elite commanders continued to fight the many scattered remnants of the former covenant wherever they could be found,but not all.

After six long years of this scattered war, elite power had begun to wane right along with their drive to fight.... but since the prophets controlled all of the major learnings that transformed forerunner gifts, the elites now largely lacked the understanding to build new facilities and weapons themselves. they steadily lost ships that they could not easily repair, let alone replace them. their time seemed to be running out. Page 517

... The covenant threat is lifted for the moment....but i doubt the agreement with the elites with the other covenant species."

There are no "covenant loyalist" there is no covenant. the elites not even at whole some of them are hunting down the reminds due to their honor being tarnished. The elites are running out of ships and are far too busy to have anything to do with halo 4.



This is what I am using for my arguments that Covenant won't be there at Halo 4 for good.

Thank you, Grey for this. I don't have a copy of Evolutions and I will get it in when I am at DC.

[Edited on 08.17.2011 11:40 AM PDT]

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We are all going to get banned aren't we?

no problem but i fear i might get a message do to copyright :/

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Posted by: grey101
no problem but i fear i might get a message do to copyright :/


How so?

  • 08.17.2011 12:00 PM PDT

The OST for ODST!

I just hope there's no brown (aka Flood).

  • 08.17.2011 2:45 PM PDT


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Yes, does anybody have a link to that, I'd very much like to know the context of that line.


There's no link. It was said during the live broadcast on Spike TV (so best bet is youtube for evidence). In any case the full context that people seem to be leaving out was that they were referring to how the trailer lacks purple. Not the game as a whole.


I'll try to find it then when I have the time...I'm sure the people using it to back up their claims of "no Covies" in the new trilogy are probably misinterpreting the line and taking it out of context >_>

To not include the various species of the Covenant would be a rather stupid move if you ask me, especially excluding the Elites, there are many fans who don't read the books, and wondering what the state of things are amongst the Elites and what sort of state their relationship with Humanity is in. I know many people have been wondering this, and as I said not all read the books yet still ask these questions, to leave such matters solely up to the books would be a grave mistake.

And regardless of Halo 4 starting a new trilogy, the affects the Covenant and their genocidal war with Humanity has had have left a deep impact on the present timeline of Halo. They're still key players in the sense that their deeds live on and the consequences of the war would have had some sort of impact on the new trilogy.


BE MY BEST FRIEND.


Haha XD

I think I saw you arguing with Grey (Deva Path over on Waypoint) about this over on the Waypoint forums, you have a very similar user name to the one over there at least. But yeah, I really don't think that they're going to exclude the Covenant species, I don't know whether or not they'd play a part in Halo 4 or not or how large a part it would be if they did show up, but I really don't think that 343i is going to completely exclude them from the new trilogy.


To be fair, they were the central focus of gameplay in all Halo games thus far. The new trilogy needs to feature the ancient enemy (which will NOT be the Precursors, or whatever the hell everyone is talking about), with either the Covenant that have somehow reformed, or just the individual species themselves.
Halo has always featured two to three way fights, so why stop here?
Don't you want to see that shocking plot twist when plasma suddenly begins to hail down on you? All it's doing is making an already hectic, and epic game (presumably) even better. So really, what's the problem?

  • 08.17.2011 3:07 PM PDT

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Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

To be fair, they were the central focus of gameplay in all Halo games thus far. The new trilogy needs to feature the ancient enemy (which will NOT be the Precursors, or whatever the hell everyone is talking about), with either the Covenant that have somehow reformed, or just the individual species themselves.
Halo has always featured two to three way fights, so why stop here?
Don't you want to see that shocking plot twist when plasma suddenly begins to hail down on you? All it's doing is making an already hectic, and epic game (presumably) even better. So really, what's the problem?


Couple issues. The Covenant reforming? There is no way to make that work. So the individual members forget all of their differences and just join up again? Come on. You also mention the individual species. So I'm just believe that maybe a ship full of Grunts or Jackals somehow managed to find a unknown Forerunner planet and beat Chief to it?

Then you have a "plot twist". Again, some individual members of the former Covenant somehow found this world and start to aid the Chief. No Covenant species besides perhaps the Elites, Prophets, and Brutes are well off enough to go on a long intergalactic voyage in the vague hope of finding something. The Prophets have been dealt a huge blow to their population and the Brutes and Elites are occupied withe each other.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: BlueRuby2k10


Yes, does anybody have a link to that, I'd very much like to know the context of that line.[/quote]

There's no link. It was said during the live broadcast on Spike TV (so best bet is youtube for evidence). In any case the full context that people seem to be leaving out was that they were referring to how the trailer lacks purple. Not the game as a whole.[/quote]

I'll try to find it then when I have the time...I'm sure the people using it to back up their claims of "no Covies" in the new trilogy are probably misinterpreting the line and taking it out of context >_>

To not include the various species of the Covenant would be a rather stupid move if you ask me, especially excluding the Elites, there are many fans who don't read the books, and wondering what the state of things are amongst the Elites and what sort of state their relationship with Humanity is in. I know many people have been wondering this, and as I said not all read the books yet still ask these questions, to leave such matters solely up to the books would be a grave mistake.

And regardless of Halo 4 starting a new trilogy, the affects the Covenant and their genocidal war with Humanity has had have left a deep impact on the present timeline of Halo. They're still key players in the sense that their deeds live on and the consequences of the war would have had some sort of impact on the new trilogy.[/quote]

BE MY BEST FRIEND.[/quote]

Haha XD

I think I saw you arguing with Grey (Deva Path over on Waypoint) about this over on the Waypoint forums, you have a very similar user name to the one over there at least. But yeah, I really don't think that they're going to exclude the Covenant species, I don't know whether or not they'd play a part in Halo 4 or not or how large a part it would be if they did show up, but I really don't think that 343i is going to completely exclude them from the new trilogy.[/quote]

The new trilogy needs to feature the ancient enemy (which will NOT be the Precursors, or whatever the hell everyone is talking about).

with either the Covenant that have somehow reformed, or just the individual species themselves.
Halo has always featured two to three way fights, so why stop here?
Don't you want to see that shocking plot twist when plasma suddenly begins to hail down on you?


1. Um it is havily implied the precursors are going to be in the next trilogy in some fashion so it isn't random talk. and who are you to say "NOT" when it is so heavily hinted at? o0o i forgot you don't like the books -_-

2. um can you please just read the damn books? the elites are mad as hell for the prophets lying to them which i think you can see in a motion comic (forgot name).

How would the covenant re-form? what would the purpose be? the only races that seriously cared about the religion were the San Shyumm, elites, and brutes; yet truth himself said the elites never believed in it anyway.

The brutes are being hunted down and the San shyuum are nowhere to be found, so who is going to start this covenant? i can tell you that the brutes and elites don't have the ships to enforce it; and that the only races to "re-join" would be grunts and jackals. how boring.


3. Halo CE had 3-4 way fights
Halo 2 had 3-4 way fights
Halo wars had 3-4 way fights

I don't re-call halo 3 nor reach having 3 way fights. so that last 3 way fight you had was 7 years ago. and no it won't be "surprising" to see plasma since we have seen it for 10 years now.

And why do you rant so much about halo yet you have hardly played the releases? your account doesn't have much on ODST or reach; so you honestly don't know what you are talking about.

[Edited on 08.17.2011 3:55 PM PDT]

  • 08.17.2011 3:52 PM PDT


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Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

To be fair, they were the central focus of gameplay in all Halo games thus far. The new trilogy needs to feature the ancient enemy (which will NOT be the Precursors, or whatever the hell everyone is talking about), with either the Covenant that have somehow reformed, or just the individual species themselves.
Halo has always featured two to three way fights, so why stop here?
Don't you want to see that shocking plot twist when plasma suddenly begins to hail down on you? All it's doing is making an already hectic, and epic game (presumably) even better. So really, what's the problem?


Couple issues. The Covenant reforming? There is no way to make that work. So the individual members forget all of their differences and just join up again? Come on. You also mention the individual species. So I'm just believe that maybe a ship full of Grunts or Jackals somehow managed to find a unknown Forerunner planet and beat Chief to it?

Then you have a "plot twist". Again, some individual members of the former Covenant somehow found this world and start to aid the Chief. No Covenant species besides perhaps the Elites, Prophets, and Brutes are well off enough to go on a long intergalactic voyage in the vague hope of finding something. The Prophets have been dealt a huge blow to their population and the Brutes and Elites are occupied withe each other.


You're confusing my reasoning as if I'm thinking about the story.
No, I'm talking about CONSISTENCY OF A GAMING FRANCHISE.
:3

  • 08.17.2011 3:54 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

To be fair, they were the central focus of gameplay in all Halo games thus far. The new trilogy needs to feature the ancient enemy (which will NOT be the Precursors, or whatever the hell everyone is talking about), with either the Covenant that have somehow reformed, or just the individual species themselves.
Halo has always featured two to three way fights, so why stop here?
Don't you want to see that shocking plot twist when plasma suddenly begins to hail down on you? All it's doing is making an already hectic, and epic game (presumably) even better. So really, what's the problem?


Couple issues. The Covenant reforming? There is no way to make that work. So the individual members forget all of their differences and just join up again? Come on. You also mention the individual species. So I'm just believe that maybe a ship full of Grunts or Jackals somehow managed to find a unknown Forerunner planet and beat Chief to it?

Then you have a "plot twist". Again, some individual members of the former Covenant somehow found this world and start to aid the Chief. No Covenant species besides perhaps the Elites, Prophets, and Brutes are well off enough to go on a long intergalactic voyage in the vague hope of finding something. The Prophets have been dealt a huge blow to their population and the Brutes and Elites are occupied withe each other.


You're confusing my reasoning as if I'm thinking about the story.
No, I'm talking about CONSISTENCY OF A GAMING FRANCHISE.
:3


So to get this consistency, you want to break the canon?

  • 08.17.2011 3:56 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: BlueRuby2k10


Yes, does anybody have a link to that, I'd very much like to know the context of that line.[/quote]

There's no link. It was said during the live broadcast on Spike TV (so best bet is youtube for evidence). In any case the full context that people seem to be leaving out was that they were referring to how the trailer lacks purple. Not the game as a whole.[/quote]

I'll try to find it then when I have the time...I'm sure the people using it to back up their claims of "no Covies" in the new trilogy are probably misinterpreting the line and taking it out of context >_>

To not include the various species of the Covenant would be a rather stupid move if you ask me, especially excluding the Elites, there are many fans who don't read the books, and wondering what the state of things are amongst the Elites and what sort of state their relationship with Humanity is in. I know many people have been wondering this, and as I said not all read the books yet still ask these questions, to leave such matters solely up to the books would be a grave mistake.

And regardless of Halo 4 starting a new trilogy, the affects the Covenant and their genocidal war with Humanity has had have left a deep impact on the present timeline of Halo. They're still key players in the sense that their deeds live on and the consequences of the war would have had some sort of impact on the new trilogy.[/quote]

BE MY BEST FRIEND.[/quote]

Haha XD

I think I saw you arguing with Grey (Deva Path over on Waypoint) about this over on the Waypoint forums, you have a very similar user name to the one over there at least. But yeah, I really don't think that they're going to exclude the Covenant species, I don't know whether or not they'd play a part in Halo 4 or not or how large a part it would be if they did show up, but I really don't think that 343i is going to completely exclude them from the new trilogy.[/quote]

The new trilogy needs to feature the ancient enemy (which will NOT be the Precursors, or whatever the hell everyone is talking about).

with either the Covenant that have somehow reformed, or just the individual species themselves.
Halo has always featured two to three way fights, so why stop here?
Don't you want to see that shocking plot twist when plasma suddenly begins to hail down on you?


1. Um it is havily implied the precursors are going to be in the next trilogy in some fashion so it isn't random talk. and who are you to say "NOT" when it is so heavily hinted at? o0o i forgot you don't like the books -_-

2. um can you please just read the damn books? the elites are mad as hell for the prophets lying to them which i think you can see in a motion comic (forgot name).

How would the covenant re-form? what would the purpose be? the only races that seriously cared about the religion were the San Shyumm, elites, and brutes; yet truth himself said the elites never believed in it anyway.

The brutes are being hunted down and the San shyuum are nowhere to be found, so who is going to start this covenant? i can tell you that the brutes and elites don't have the ships to enforce it; and that the only races to "re-join" would be grunts and jackals. how boring.


3. Halo CE had 3-4 way fights
Halo 2 had 3-4 way fights
Halo wars had 3-4 way fights

I don't re-call halo 3 nor reach having 3 way fights. so that last 3 way fight you had was 7 years ago. and no it won't be "surprising" to see plasma since we have seen it for 10 years now.

And why do you rant so much about halo yet you have hardly played the releases? your account doesn't have much on ODST or reach; so you honestly don't know what you are talking about.


I thought I say 2-3 way fights? Oh yeah, I did.

Sigh... Why are you resorting to something as lame as taking shots at me for my account, which has barely any game history on it? I thought you were smarter than that.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

To be fair, they were the central focus of gameplay in all Halo games thus far. The new trilogy needs to feature the ancient enemy (which will NOT be the Precursors, or whatever the hell everyone is talking about), with either the Covenant that have somehow reformed, or just the individual species themselves.
Halo has always featured two to three way fights, so why stop here?
Don't you want to see that shocking plot twist when plasma suddenly begins to hail down on you? All it's doing is making an already hectic, and epic game (presumably) even better. So really, what's the problem?


Couple issues. The Covenant reforming? There is no way to make that work. So the individual members forget all of their differences and just join up again? Come on. You also mention the individual species. So I'm just believe that maybe a ship full of Grunts or Jackals somehow managed to find a unknown Forerunner planet and beat Chief to it?

Then you have a "plot twist". Again, some individual members of the former Covenant somehow found this world and start to aid the Chief. No Covenant species besides perhaps the Elites, Prophets, and Brutes are well off enough to go on a long intergalactic voyage in the vague hope of finding something. The Prophets have been dealt a huge blow to their population and the Brutes and Elites are occupied withe each other.


You're confusing my reasoning as if I'm thinking about the story.
No, I'm talking about CONSISTENCY OF A GAMING FRANCHISE.
:3


Huh? this isn't call of duty things actually change in halo.

I don't know if you have noticed, but there are things in halo 2 there werent in halo CE, there are things in halo 3 that weren't in halo 2.


Halo changes, the story changes and the changes are consistent with each other.

  • 08.17.2011 3:57 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

To be fair, they were the central focus of gameplay in all Halo games thus far. The new trilogy needs to feature the ancient enemy (which will NOT be the Precursors, or whatever the hell everyone is talking about), with either the Covenant that have somehow reformed, or just the individual species themselves.
Halo has always featured two to three way fights, so why stop here?
Don't you want to see that shocking plot twist when plasma suddenly begins to hail down on you? All it's doing is making an already hectic, and epic game (presumably) even better. So really, what's the problem?


Couple issues. The Covenant reforming? There is no way to make that work. So the individual members forget all of their differences and just join up again? Come on. You also mention the individual species. So I'm just believe that maybe a ship full of Grunts or Jackals somehow managed to find a unknown Forerunner planet and beat Chief to it?

Then you have a "plot twist". Again, some individual members of the former Covenant somehow found this world and start to aid the Chief. No Covenant species besides perhaps the Elites, Prophets, and Brutes are well off enough to go on a long intergalactic voyage in the vague hope of finding something. The Prophets have been dealt a huge blow to their population and the Brutes and Elites are occupied withe each other.


You're confusing my reasoning as if I'm thinking about the story.
No, I'm talking about CONSISTENCY OF A GAMING FRANCHISE.
:3


So to get this consistency, you want to break the canon?


No, just open the door for a few retcons, and we're good to go. And what canon are you talking about? There is no canon among fans for Halo 4 yet.
Prepare to give up on the new trilogy (like you said in grey's thread), because if the Covenant aren't in, the UNSC are. *points at different thread for the UNSC argument*

  • 08.17.2011 3:59 PM PDT

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Posted by: BlueRuby2k10
No, just open the door for a few retcons, and we're good to go. And what canon are you talking about? There is no canon among fans for Halo 4 yet.
Prepare to give up on the new trilogy (like you said in grey's thread), because if the Covenant aren't in, the UNSC are. *points at different thread for the UNSC argument*


So despite the former factions of the Covenant and UNSC getting decimated over a 27 year war, billions dead, thousands of ships lost, apparently both factions are ready to go on an intergalactic journey.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: BlueRuby2k10


Yes, does anybody have a link to that, I'd very much like to know the context of that line.[/quote]

There's no link. It was said during the live broadcast on Spike TV (so best bet is youtube for evidence). In any case the full context that people seem to be leaving out was that they were referring to how the trailer lacks purple. Not the game as a whole.[/quote]

I'll try to find it then when I have the time...I'm sure the people using it to back up their claims of "no Covies" in the new trilogy are probably misinterpreting the line and taking it out of context >_>

To not include the various species of the Covenant would be a rather stupid move if you ask me, especially excluding the Elites, there are many fans who don't read the books, and wondering what the state of things are amongst the Elites and what sort of state their relationship with Humanity is in. I know many people have been wondering this, and as I said not all read the books yet still ask these questions, to leave such matters solely up to the books would be a grave mistake.

And regardless of Halo 4 starting a new trilogy, the affects the Covenant and their genocidal war with Humanity has had have left a deep impact on the present timeline of Halo. They're still key players in the sense that their deeds live on and the consequences of the war would have had some sort of impact on the new trilogy.[/quote]

BE MY BEST FRIEND.[/quote]

Haha XD

I think I saw you arguing with Grey (Deva Path over on Waypoint) about this over on the Waypoint forums, you have a very similar user name to the one over there at least. But yeah, I really don't think that they're going to exclude the Covenant species, I don't know whether or not they'd play a part in Halo 4 or not or how large a part it would be if they did show up, but I really don't think that 343i is going to completely exclude them from the new trilogy.[/quote]

The new trilogy needs to feature the ancient enemy (which will NOT be the Precursors, or whatever the hell everyone is talking about).

with either the Covenant that have somehow reformed, or just the individual species themselves.
Halo has always featured two to three way fights, so why stop here?
Don't you want to see that shocking plot twist when plasma suddenly begins to hail down on you?


1. Um it is havily implied the precursors are going to be in the next trilogy in some fashion so it isn't random talk. and who are you to say "NOT" when it is so heavily hinted at? o0o i forgot you don't like the books -_-

2. um can you please just read the damn books? the elites are mad as hell for the prophets lying to them which i think you can see in a motion comic (forgot name).

How would the covenant re-form? what would the purpose be? the only races that seriously cared about the religion were the San Shyumm, elites, and brutes; yet truth himself said the elites never believed in it anyway.

The brutes are being hunted down and the San shyuum are nowhere to be found, so who is going to start this covenant? i can tell you that the brutes and elites don't have the ships to enforce it; and that the only races to "re-join" would be grunts and jackals. how boring.


3. Halo CE had 3-4 way fights
Halo 2 had 3-4 way fights
Halo wars had 3-4 way fights

I don't re-call halo 3 nor reach having 3 way fights. so that last 3 way fight you had was 7 years ago. and no it won't be "surprising" to see plasma since we have seen it for 10 years now.

And why do you rant so much about halo yet you have hardly played the releases? your account doesn't have much on ODST or reach; so you honestly don't know what you are talking about.


I thought I say 2-3 way fights? Oh yeah, I did.

Sigh... Why are you resorting to something as lame as taking shots at me for my account, which has barely any game history on it? I thought you were smarter than that.


two to three way fights means one faction fighting another correct?

so doesn't that mean Master chief fighting another faction is a 2 way battle? do you think we are going to pluck roses or something?


How is seeing if you have even played the games "not smart"? you have played alot of halo 3 yet you have hardly touched reach and ODST. which i find extremely funny because you are always saying how a halo game "needs" the covenant in order to do good yet you haven't even touched Reach or ODST which exclusively has covenant.

"me being lame resorting to taking shots" would be me knocking the fact you are a Sergent in reach and a major in halo 3.

  • 08.17.2011 4:02 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

To be fair, they were the central focus of gameplay in all Halo games thus far. The new trilogy needs to feature the ancient enemy (which will NOT be the Precursors, or whatever the hell everyone is talking about), with either the Covenant that have somehow reformed, or just the individual species themselves.
Halo has always featured two to three way fights, so why stop here?
Don't you want to see that shocking plot twist when plasma suddenly begins to hail down on you? All it's doing is making an already hectic, and epic game (presumably) even better. So really, what's the problem?


Couple issues. The Covenant reforming? There is no way to make that work. So the individual members forget all of their differences and just join up again? Come on. You also mention the individual species. So I'm just believe that maybe a ship full of Grunts or Jackals somehow managed to find a unknown Forerunner planet and beat Chief to it?

Then you have a "plot twist". Again, some individual members of the former Covenant somehow found this world and start to aid the Chief. No Covenant species besides perhaps the Elites, Prophets, and Brutes are well off enough to go on a long intergalactic voyage in the vague hope of finding something. The Prophets have been dealt a huge blow to their population and the Brutes and Elites are occupied withe each other.


You're confusing my reasoning as if I'm thinking about the story.
No, I'm talking about CONSISTENCY OF A GAMING FRANCHISE.
:3


Huh? this isn't call of duty things actually change in halo.

I don't know if you have noticed, but there are things in halo 2 there werent in halo CE, there are things in halo 3 that weren't in halo 2.


Halo changes, the story changes and the changes are consistent with each other.


I'm tempted to call you a moron.

Since when did being consistent = becoming Call of Duty?

The only things that weren't in Halo 2 was the Pistol (The SMG is the Assault Rifle in that game).

Halo changes and evolves, but it can't disconnect from the original concept.

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Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

To be fair, they were the central focus of gameplay in all Halo games thus far. The new trilogy needs to feature the ancient enemy (which will NOT be the Precursors, or whatever the hell everyone is talking about), with either the Covenant that have somehow reformed, or just the individual species themselves.
Halo has always featured two to three way fights, so why stop here?
Don't you want to see that shocking plot twist when plasma suddenly begins to hail down on you? All it's doing is making an already hectic, and epic game (presumably) even better. So really, what's the problem? [/quote]

Couple issues. The Covenant reforming? There is no way to make that work. So the individual members forget all of their differences and just join up again? Come on. You also mention the individual species. So I'm just believe that maybe a ship full of Grunts or Jackals somehow managed to find a unknown Forerunner planet and beat Chief to it?

Then you have a "plot twist". Again, some individual members of the former Covenant somehow found this world and start to aid the Chief. No Covenant species besides perhaps the Elites, Prophets, and Brutes are well off enough to go on a long intergalactic voyage in the vague hope of finding something. The Prophets have been dealt a huge blow to their population and the Brutes and Elites are occupied withe each other.[/quote]

You're confusing my reasoning as if I'm thinking about the story.
No, I'm talking about CONSISTENCY OF A GAMING FRANCHISE.
:3


So to get this consistency, you want to break the canon?


No, just open the door for a few retcons, and we're good to go. And what canon are you talking about? There is no canon among fans for Halo 4 yet.
Prepare to give up on the new trilogy (like you said in grey's thread), because if the Covenant aren't in, the UNSC are. *points at different thread for the UNSC argument*


Ah, ah no.

You're just being little ignorant boy here.

It has been stated numerous times that Covies and UNSC wouldn't be there at Halo 4 for many reasons. We provided evidence to you and yet, you ignore it.

Since you obviously never read the books and even played much of Halo so it makes your argument invalid since you lack any knowledge about Halo lore.

Also, if you have played Halo or read the books, you would know that Covies and UNSC are nearly destroyed from 27 years war. It's not possible for them to recover magically and ready to go on intergalactic travel. You're asking for canon to be broken.

[Edited on 08.17.2011 4:05 PM PDT]

  • 08.17.2011 4:03 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: BlueRuby2k10


Yes, does anybody have a link to that, I'd very much like to know the context of that line.[/quote]

There's no link. It was said during the live broadcast on Spike TV (so best bet is youtube for evidence). In any case the full context that people seem to be leaving out was that they were referring to how the trailer lacks purple. Not the game as a whole.[/quote]

I'll try to find it then when I have the time...I'm sure the people using it to back up their claims of "no Covies" in the new trilogy are probably misinterpreting the line and taking it out of context >_>

To not include the various species of the Covenant would be a rather stupid move if you ask me, especially excluding the Elites, there are many fans who don't read the books, and wondering what the state of things are amongst the Elites and what sort of state their relationship with Humanity is in. I know many people have been wondering this, and as I said not all read the books yet still ask these questions, to leave such matters solely up to the books would be a grave mistake.

And regardless of Halo 4 starting a new trilogy, the affects the Covenant and their genocidal war with Humanity has had have left a deep impact on the present timeline of Halo. They're still key players in the sense that their deeds live on and the consequences of the war would have had some sort of impact on the new trilogy.[/quote]

BE MY BEST FRIEND.[/quote]

Haha XD

I think I saw you arguing with Grey (Deva Path over on Waypoint) about this over on the Waypoint forums, you have a very similar user name to the one over there at least. But yeah, I really don't think that they're going to exclude the Covenant species, I don't know whether or not they'd play a part in Halo 4 or not or how large a part it would be if they did show up, but I really don't think that 343i is going to completely exclude them from the new trilogy.[/quote]

The new trilogy needs to feature the ancient enemy (which will NOT be the Precursors, or whatever the hell everyone is talking about).

with either the Covenant that have somehow reformed, or just the individual species themselves.
Halo has always featured two to three way fights, so why stop here?
Don't you want to see that shocking plot twist when plasma suddenly begins to hail down on you?


1. Um it is havily implied the precursors are going to be in the next trilogy in some fashion so it isn't random talk. and who are you to say "NOT" when it is so heavily hinted at? o0o i forgot you don't like the books -_-

2. um can you please just read the damn books? the elites are mad as hell for the prophets lying to them which i think you can see in a motion comic (forgot name).

How would the covenant re-form? what would the purpose be? the only races that seriously cared about the religion were the San Shyumm, elites, and brutes; yet truth himself said the elites never believed in it anyway.

The brutes are being hunted down and the San shyuum are nowhere to be found, so who is going to start this covenant? i can tell you that the brutes and elites don't have the ships to enforce it; and that the only races to "re-join" would be grunts and jackals. how boring.


3. Halo CE had 3-4 way fights
Halo 2 had 3-4 way fights
Halo wars had 3-4 way fights

I don't re-call halo 3 nor reach having 3 way fights. so that last 3 way fight you had was 7 years ago. and no it won't be "surprising" to see plasma since we have seen it for 10 years now.

And why do you rant so much about halo yet you have hardly played the releases? your account doesn't have much on ODST or reach; so you honestly don't know what you are talking about.


I thought I say 2-3 way fights? Oh yeah, I did.

Sigh... Why are you resorting to something as lame as taking shots at me for my account, which has barely any game history on it? I thought you were smarter than that.


two to three way fights means one faction fighting another correct?

so doesn't that mean Master chief fighting another faction is a 2 way battle? do you think we are going to pluck roses or something?


How is seeing if you have even played the games "not smart"? you have played alot of halo 3 yet you have hardly touched reach and ODST. which i find extremely funny because you are always saying how a halo game "needs" the covenant in order to do good yet you haven't even touched Reach or ODST which exclusively has covenant.

"me being lame resorting to taking shots" would be me knocking the fact you are a Sergent in reach and a major in halo 3.


Okay, you're a moron. Did it ever occur to you that I have a different account?

  • 08.17.2011 4:03 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: BlueRuby2k10


Yes, does anybody have a link to that, I'd very much like to know the context of that line.[/quote]

There's no link. It was said during the live broadcast on Spike TV (so best bet is youtube for evidence). In any case the full context that people seem to be leaving out was that they were referring to how the trailer lacks purple. Not the game as a whole.[/quote]

I'll try to find it then when I have the time...I'm sure the people using it to back up their claims of "no Covies" in the new trilogy are probably misinterpreting the line and taking it out of context >_>

To not include the various species of the Covenant would be a rather stupid move if you ask me, especially excluding the Elites, there are many fans who don't read the books, and wondering what the state of things are amongst the Elites and what sort of state their relationship with Humanity is in. I know many people have been wondering this, and as I said not all read the books yet still ask these questions, to leave such matters solely up to the books would be a grave mistake.

And regardless of Halo 4 starting a new trilogy, the affects the Covenant and their genocidal war with Humanity has had have left a deep impact on the present timeline of Halo. They're still key players in the sense that their deeds live on and the consequences of the war would have had some sort of impact on the new trilogy.[/quote]

BE MY BEST FRIEND.[/quote]

Haha XD

I think I saw you arguing with Grey (Deva Path over on Waypoint) about this over on the Waypoint forums, you have a very similar user name to the one over there at least. But yeah, I really don't think that they're going to exclude the Covenant species, I don't know whether or not they'd play a part in Halo 4 or not or how large a part it would be if they did show up, but I really don't think that 343i is going to completely exclude them from the new trilogy.[/quote]

The new trilogy needs to feature the ancient enemy (which will NOT be the Precursors, or whatever the hell everyone is talking about).

with either the Covenant that have somehow reformed, or just the individual species themselves.
Halo has always featured two to three way fights, so why stop here?
Don't you want to see that shocking plot twist when plasma suddenly begins to hail down on you?


1. Um it is havily implied the precursors are going to be in the next trilogy in some fashion so it isn't random talk. and who are you to say "NOT" when it is so heavily hinted at? o0o i forgot you don't like the books -_-

2. um can you please just read the damn books? the elites are mad as hell for the prophets lying to them which i think you can see in a motion comic (forgot name).

How would the covenant re-form? what would the purpose be? the only races that seriously cared about the religion were the San Shyumm, elites, and brutes; yet truth himself said the elites never believed in it anyway.

The brutes are being hunted down and the San shyuum are nowhere to be found, so who is going to start this covenant? i can tell you that the brutes and elites don't have the ships to enforce it; and that the only races to "re-join" would be grunts and jackals. how boring.


3. Halo CE had 3-4 way fights
Halo 2 had 3-4 way fights
Halo wars had 3-4 way fights

I don't re-call halo 3 nor reach having 3 way fights. so that last 3 way fight you had was 7 years ago. and no it won't be "surprising" to see plasma since we have seen it for 10 years now.

And why do you rant so much about halo yet you have hardly played the releases? your account doesn't have much on ODST or reach; so you honestly don't know what you are talking about.


I thought I say 2-3 way fights? Oh yeah, I did.

Sigh... Why are you resorting to something as lame as taking shots at me for my account, which has barely any game history on it? I thought you were smarter than that.


two to three way fights means one faction fighting another correct?


Sorry, I meant three to four way battles. There have always been at least three way factions and battles in Halo.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: BlueRuby2k10


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

To be fair, they were the central focus of gameplay in all Halo games thus far. The new trilogy needs to feature the ancient enemy (which will NOT be the Precursors, or whatever the hell everyone is talking about), with either the Covenant that have somehow reformed, or just the individual species themselves.
Halo has always featured two to three way fights, so why stop here?
Don't you want to see that shocking plot twist when plasma suddenly begins to hail down on you? All it's doing is making an already hectic, and epic game (presumably) even better. So really, what's the problem? [/quote]

Couple issues. The Covenant reforming? There is no way to make that work. So the individual members forget all of their differences and just join up again? Come on. You also mention the individual species. So I'm just believe that maybe a ship full of Grunts or Jackals somehow managed to find a unknown Forerunner planet and beat Chief to it?

Then you have a "plot twist". Again, some individual members of the former Covenant somehow found this world and start to aid the Chief. No Covenant species besides perhaps the Elites, Prophets, and Brutes are well off enough to go on a long intergalactic voyage in the vague hope of finding something. The Prophets have been dealt a huge blow to their population and the Brutes and Elites are occupied withe each other.[/quote]

You're confusing my reasoning as if I'm thinking about the story.
No, I'm talking about CONSISTENCY OF A GAMING FRANCHISE.
:3


So to get this consistency, you want to break the canon?


No, just open the door for a few retcons, and we're good to go. And what canon are you talking about? There is no canon among fans for Halo 4 yet.
Prepare to give up on the new trilogy (like you said in grey's thread), because if the Covenant aren't in, the UNSC are. *points at different thread for the UNSC argument*


there is actually canon already established for that time which is where we are getting the "covenant no longer exists and the races are too busy" information from.

and what would the "retcon" be? you understand theings are changed because they don't add up correct or they are liked by the creators? johnsons immunity was changed because bungie didn't like it.

So why would 343 create all this then change it so soon? massive waste of money and time. not to mention nothing is wrong with it,


And the next trilogy will be fine without the covenant. You have ODST and Reach to play that are filled with them so get to it.

  • 08.17.2011 4:05 PM PDT


Posted by: raganok99
You're asking for canon to be broken.


Not really. Just the fact that gameplay comes first in Halo. Not the story. It always has.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Posted by: BlueRuby2k10


Yes, does anybody have a link to that, I'd very much like to know the context of that line.[/quote]

There's no link. It was said during the live broadcast on Spike TV (so best bet is youtube for evidence). In any case the full context that people seem to be leaving out was that they were referring to how the trailer lacks purple. Not the game as a whole.[/quote]

I'll try to find it then when I have the time...I'm sure the people using it to back up their claims of "no Covies" in the new trilogy are probably misinterpreting the line and taking it out of context >_>

To not include the various species of the Covenant would be a rather stupid move if you ask me, especially excluding the Elites, there are many fans who don't read the books, and wondering what the state of things are amongst the Elites and what sort of state their relationship with Humanity is in. I know many people have been wondering this, and as I said not all read the books yet still ask these questions, to leave such matters solely up to the books would be a grave mistake.

And regardless of Halo 4 starting a new trilogy, the affects the Covenant and their genocidal war with Humanity has had have left a deep impact on the present timeline of Halo. They're still key players in the sense that their deeds live on and the consequences of the war would have had some sort of impact on the new trilogy.[/quote]

BE MY BEST FRIEND.[/quote]

Haha XD

I think I saw you arguing with Grey (Deva Path over on Waypoint) about this over on the Waypoint forums, you have a very similar user name to the one over there at least. But yeah, I really don't think that they're going to exclude the Covenant species, I don't know whether or not they'd play a part in Halo 4 or not or how large a part it would be if they did show up, but I really don't think that 343i is going to completely exclude them from the new trilogy.[/quote]

The new trilogy needs to feature the ancient enemy (which will NOT be the Precursors, or whatever the hell everyone is talking about).

with either the Covenant that have somehow reformed, or just the individual species themselves.
Halo has always featured two to three way fights, so why stop here?
Don't you want to see that shocking plot twist when plasma suddenly begins to hail down on you? [/quote]

1. Um it is havily implied the precursors are going to be in the next trilogy in some fashion so it isn't random talk. and who are you to say "NOT" when it is so heavily hinted at? o0o i forgot you don't like the books -_-

2. um can you please just read the damn books? the elites are mad as hell for the prophets lying to them which i think you can see in a motion comic (forgot name).

How would the covenant re-form? what would the purpose be? the only races that seriously cared about the religion were the San Shyumm, elites, and brutes; yet truth himself said the elites never believed in it anyway.

The brutes are being hunted down and the San shyuum are nowhere to be found, so who is going to start this covenant? i can tell you that the brutes and elites don't have the ships to enforce it; and that the only races to "re-join" would be grunts and jackals. how boring.


3. Halo CE had 3-4 way fights
Halo 2 had 3-4 way fights
Halo wars had 3-4 way fights

I don't re-call halo 3 nor reach having 3 way fights. so that last 3 way fight you had was 7 years ago. and no it won't be "surprising" to see plasma since we have seen it for 10 years now.

And why do you rant so much about halo yet you have hardly played the releases? your account doesn't have much on ODST or reach; so you honestly don't know what you are talking about.[/quote]

I thought I say 2-3 way fights? Oh yeah, I did.

Sigh... Why are you resorting to something as lame as taking shots at me for my account, which has barely any game history on it? I thought you were smarter than that. [/quote]

two to three way fights means one faction fighting another correct?

so doesn't that mean Master chief fighting another faction is a 2 way battle? do you think we are going to pluck roses or something?


How is seeing if you have even played the games "not smart"? you have played alot of halo 3 yet you have hardly touched reach and ODST. which i find extremely funny because you are always saying how a halo game "needs" the covenant in order to do good yet you haven't even touched Reach or ODST which exclusively has covenant.

"me being lame resorting to taking shots" would be me knocking the fact you are a Sergent in reach and a major in halo 3.


Okay, you're a moron. Did it ever occur to you that I have a different account?



Then why do you use this account on waypoint? i made my waypoint using my most recent account and so did everybody else.

so link or you are bluffing because it wouldn't make sense for you to be using this on waypoint.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Posted by: raganok99
You're asking for canon to be broken.


Not really. Just the fact that gameplay comes first in Halo. Not the story. It always has.



that isn't a fact and this isn't call of duty,pokemon,or anything like the two.

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Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Posted by: raganok99
You're asking for canon to be broken.


Not really. Just the fact that gameplay comes first in Halo. Not the story. It always has.



Sadly, wrong.

Story is what it made Halo and gameplay only helped a little. By saying that statement, it marks that you absolutely know nothing about Halo, ever.

  • 08.17.2011 4:10 PM PDT

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Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Posted by: raganok99
You're asking for canon to be broken.


Not really. Just the fact that gameplay comes first in Halo. Not the story. It always has.


So what you''re saying is "343, don;t be creative and original with your new trilogy, just rehash every element from previous Halos to make the gameplay exactly the same, -blam!- the story nobody cares about that, least of all me."

  • 08.17.2011 4:11 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101
You have ODST and Reach to play that are filled with them so get to it.


You have your books to read. Get to it.

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