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Subject: Halo 4 "will not feature purple"


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
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Posted by: raganok99
You're asking for canon to be broken.


Not really. Just the fact that gameplay comes first in Halo. Not the story. It always has.


So what you''re saying is "343, don;t be creative and original with your new trilogy, just rehash every element from previous Halos to make the gameplay exactly the same, -blam!- the story nobody cares about that, least of all me."


This is what we call being stubborn and unwilling to listen to points made.

  • 08.17.2011 4:13 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Posted by: raganok99
You're asking for canon to be broken.


Not really. Just the fact that gameplay comes first in Halo. Not the story. It always has.


So what you''re saying is "343, don;t be creative and original with your new trilogy, just rehash every element from previous Halos to make the gameplay exactly the same, -blam!- the story nobody cares about that, least of all me."


"because i don't read the books and i want more games with covenant enemies even though i have 2 direct games with only them. o0o i haven't played them..."

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Posted by: raganok99
You're asking for canon to be broken.


Not really. Just the fact that gameplay comes first in Halo. Not the story. It always has.


So what you''re saying is "343, don;t be creative and original with your new trilogy, just rehash every element from previous Halos to make the gameplay exactly the same, -blam!- the story nobody cares about that, least of all me."


This is what we call being stubborn and unwilling to listen to points made.


more like there are 3 people saying you are wrong and you are being stubborn by thinking your "fact" is a solid.

  • 08.17.2011 4:14 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Posted by: BlueRuby2k10


Yes, does anybody have a link to that, I'd very much like to know the context of that line.[/quote]

There's no link. It was said during the live broadcast on Spike TV (so best bet is youtube for evidence). In any case the full context that people seem to be leaving out was that they were referring to how the trailer lacks purple. Not the game as a whole.[/quote]

I'll try to find it then when I have the time...I'm sure the people using it to back up their claims of "no Covies" in the new trilogy are probably misinterpreting the line and taking it out of context >_>

To not include the various species of the Covenant would be a rather stupid move if you ask me, especially excluding the Elites, there are many fans who don't read the books, and wondering what the state of things are amongst the Elites and what sort of state their relationship with Humanity is in. I know many people have been wondering this, and as I said not all read the books yet still ask these questions, to leave such matters solely up to the books would be a grave mistake.

And regardless of Halo 4 starting a new trilogy, the affects the Covenant and their genocidal war with Humanity has had have left a deep impact on the present timeline of Halo. They're still key players in the sense that their deeds live on and the consequences of the war would have had some sort of impact on the new trilogy.[/quote]

BE MY BEST FRIEND.[/quote]

Haha XD

I think I saw you arguing with Grey (Deva Path over on Waypoint) about this over on the Waypoint forums, you have a very similar user name to the one over there at least. But yeah, I really don't think that they're going to exclude the Covenant species, I don't know whether or not they'd play a part in Halo 4 or not or how large a part it would be if they did show up, but I really don't think that 343i is going to completely exclude them from the new trilogy.[/quote]

The new trilogy needs to feature the ancient enemy (which will NOT be the Precursors, or whatever the hell everyone is talking about).

with either the Covenant that have somehow reformed, or just the individual species themselves.
Halo has always featured two to three way fights, so why stop here?
Don't you want to see that shocking plot twist when plasma suddenly begins to hail down on you? [/quote]

1. Um it is havily implied the precursors are going to be in the next trilogy in some fashion so it isn't random talk. and who are you to say "NOT" when it is so heavily hinted at? o0o i forgot you don't like the books -_-

2. um can you please just read the damn books? the elites are mad as hell for the prophets lying to them which i think you can see in a motion comic (forgot name).

How would the covenant re-form? what would the purpose be? the only races that seriously cared about the religion were the San Shyumm, elites, and brutes; yet truth himself said the elites never believed in it anyway.

The brutes are being hunted down and the San shyuum are nowhere to be found, so who is going to start this covenant? i can tell you that the brutes and elites don't have the ships to enforce it; and that the only races to "re-join" would be grunts and jackals. how boring.


3. Halo CE had 3-4 way fights
Halo 2 had 3-4 way fights
Halo wars had 3-4 way fights

I don't re-call halo 3 nor reach having 3 way fights. so that last 3 way fight you had was 7 years ago. and no it won't be "surprising" to see plasma since we have seen it for 10 years now.

And why do you rant so much about halo yet you have hardly played the releases? your account doesn't have much on ODST or reach; so you honestly don't know what you are talking about.[/quote]

I thought I say 2-3 way fights? Oh yeah, I did.

Sigh... Why are you resorting to something as lame as taking shots at me for my account, which has barely any game history on it? I thought you were smarter than that. [/quote]

two to three way fights means one faction fighting another correct?

so doesn't that mean Master chief fighting another faction is a 2 way battle? do you think we are going to pluck roses or something?


How is seeing if you have even played the games "not smart"? you have played alot of halo 3 yet you have hardly touched reach and ODST. which i find extremely funny because you are always saying how a halo game "needs" the covenant in order to do good yet you haven't even touched Reach or ODST which exclusively has covenant.

"me being lame resorting to taking shots" would be me knocking the fact you are a Sergent in reach and a major in halo 3.


Okay, you're a moron. Did it ever occur to you that I have a different account?



Then why do you use this account on waypoint? i made my waypoint using my most recent account and so did everybody else.

so link or you are bluffing because it wouldn't make sense for you to be using this on waypoint.


Here you go.

  • 08.17.2011 4:15 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Posted by: raganok99
You're asking for canon to be broken.


Not really. Just the fact that gameplay comes first in Halo. Not the story. It always has.


So what you''re saying is "343, don;t be creative and original with your new trilogy, just rehash every element from previous Halos to make the gameplay exactly the same, -blam!- the story nobody cares about that, least of all me."


This is what we call being stubborn and unwilling to listen to points made.


You are claiming that 343 should add the Covenant, not because it would be relevant to the story, but because you think they're fun enemies, story be damned.

  • 08.17.2011 4:18 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Posted by: raganok99
You're asking for canon to be broken.


Not really. Just the fact that gameplay comes first in Halo. Not the story. It always has.


So what you''re saying is "343, don;t be creative and original with your new trilogy, just rehash every element from previous Halos to make the gameplay exactly the same, -blam!- the story nobody cares about that, least of all me."


This is what we call being stubborn and unwilling to listen to points made.


You are claiming that 343 should add the Covenant, not because it would be relevant to the story, but because you think they're fun enemies, story be damned.


Not just me, sir...
They'll be remembered... and brought back if 343 is smart enough not to deviate from what Halo games have been established as...

  • 08.17.2011 4:20 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: BlueRuby2k10
Not just me, sir...
They'll be remembered... and brought back if 343 is smart enough not to deviate from what Halo games have been established as...


So basically, "-blam!- originality, don't make your own enemies 343."

  • 08.17.2011 4:22 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

So you don't have an alt account the ruby if you can't just link it.

  • 08.17.2011 4:23 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: BlueRuby2k10
Not just me, sir...
They'll be remembered... and brought back if 343 is smart enough not to deviate from what Halo games have been established as...


So basically, "-blam!- originality, don't make your own enemies 343."


Would you look at that, being irrational yet again!
Have you not heard me say over and over and over again that the new enemy needs to be the central focus?

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: BlueRuby2k10
Not just me, sir...
They'll be remembered... and brought back if 343 is smart enough not to deviate from what Halo games have been established as...


So basically, "-blam!- originality, don't make your own enemies 343."


Would you look at that, being irrational yet again!
Have you not heard me say over and over and over again that the new enemy needs to be the central focus?


never heard you say that, never saw anything that implied they wouldn't.

And why do the covenant "need to be in" if we aren't going to focus on them? what would there be to focus on?


I tell you one thing, i would wonder why the -blam!- they are there.

  • 08.17.2011 4:25 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101
So you don't have an alt account the ruby if you can't just link it.


I don't see why I'd even consider wasting my time with you two preachers if I haven't played Halo.
I just don't feel like having to prove myself to you. But at least it's even clearer that you have very little credibility, and the mind sealed tight with a combination lock.

  • 08.17.2011 4:25 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: BlueRuby2k10
Not just me, sir...
They'll be remembered... and brought back if 343 is smart enough not to deviate from what Halo games have been established as...


So basically, "-blam!- originality, don't make your own enemies 343."


Would you look at that, being irrational yet again!
Have you not heard me say over and over and over again that the new enemy needs to be the central focus?


You call me irrational, and yet you say 343 has to add the Covenant to not deviate what has been established as Halo. You mean to tell me this new foe can;t fill in the Covenant's void?

  • 08.17.2011 4:26 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: BlueRuby2k10
Not just me, sir...
They'll be remembered... and brought back if 343 is smart enough not to deviate from what Halo games have been established as...


So basically, "-blam!- originality, don't make your own enemies 343."


Would you look at that, being irrational yet again!
Have you not heard me say over and over and over again that the new enemy needs to be the central focus?


never heard you say that, never saw anything that implied they wouldn't.

And why do the covenant "need to be in" if we aren't going to focus on them? what would there be to focus on?


I tell you one thing, i would wonder why the -blam!- they are there.


Why? For story complexity. The plot needs to have multiple layers. The Covenant shouldn't just be in the background, they need to be feature as well. Just not as prominently as the main threat.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Posted by: grey101
So you don't have an alt account the ruby if you can't just link it.


I don't see why I'd even consider wasting my time with you two preachers if I haven't played Halo.
I just don't feel like having to prove myself to you. But at least it's even clearer that you have very little credibility, and the mind sealed tight with a combination lock.


Yea just showing your account is not that hard whatsoever if you honestly had one. you could do it in-between posts.

I have "no creditability" yet my current account is in my bio and i can link my old account. Right...

show me the car fax

  • 08.17.2011 4:27 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: BlueRuby2k10
Not just me, sir...
They'll be remembered... and brought back if 343 is smart enough not to deviate from what Halo games have been established as...


So basically, "-blam!- originality, don't make your own enemies 343."


Would you look at that, being irrational yet again!
Have you not heard me say over and over and over again that the new enemy needs to be the central focus?


You call me irrational, and yet you say 343 has to add the Covenant to not deviate what has been established as Halo. You mean to tell me this new foe can;t fill in the Covenant's void?


They could, but that would only lead to the general public becoming confused and possibly scrapping the game altogether. It's marketing, something of which needs an open mind with critical thinking.

[Edited on 08.17.2011 4:29 PM PDT]

  • 08.17.2011 4:28 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Why? For story complexity. The plot needs to have multiple layers. The Covenant shouldn't just be in the background, they need to be feature as well. Just not as prominently as the main threat.


The books exist for a reason. We are dealing with the Forerunners, there is plenty of complexity to layer up just from them.

  • 08.17.2011 4:28 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: BlueRuby2k10
They could, but that would only lead to the general public becoming confused and possibly scrapping the game altogether.


So dumb down the Halo story then and give those who actually care about the Halo story a giant middle finger?

  • 08.17.2011 4:29 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Why? For story complexity. The plot needs to have multiple layers. The Covenant shouldn't just be in the background, they need to be feature as well. Just not as prominently as the main threat.


The books exist for a reason. We are dealing with the Forerunners, there is plenty of complexity to layer up just from them.


I'm talking about the plot of the game alone.

[Edited on 08.17.2011 4:29 PM PDT]

  • 08.17.2011 4:29 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: BlueRuby2k10
They could, but that would only lead to the general public becoming confused and possibly scrapping the game altogether.


So dumb down the Halo story then and give those who actually care about the Halo story a giant middle finger?


Why are you so closed-off to ideas? They can easily do both!

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: BlueRuby2k10


Not just me, sir...
They'll be remembered... and brought back if 343 is smart enough not to deviate from what Halo games have been established as...[/quote]

So basically, "-blam!- originality, don't make your own enemies 343."[/quote]

Would you look at that, being irrational yet again!
Have you not heard me say over and over and over again that the new enemy needs to be the central focus?[/quote]

never heard you say that, never saw anything that implied they wouldn't.

And why do the covenant "need to be in" if we aren't going to focus on them? what would there be to focus on?


I tell you one thing, i would wonder why the -blam!- they are there.[/quote]

Why? For story complexity. The plot needs to have multiple layers. The Covenant shouldn't just be in the background, they need to be feature as well. Just not as prominently as the main threat.


1. the covenant has broken up. so what race are you talking about?

2. why do they need to be in?we have 5 games and an a expansion that all have UNSC fighting the covenant.

3 game you are master chief mostly fighting them and there are 2 games were you fight only them.

So why do they need to be in this game "just to be there" when we already have 2 exclusive sources with them?

  • 08.17.2011 4:31 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: BlueRuby2k10
They could, but that would only lead to the general public becoming confused and possibly scrapping the game altogether.


So dumb down the Halo story then and give those who actually care about the Halo story a giant middle finger?


Why are you so closed-off to ideas? They can easily do both!


They can dumb down the story and keep it complex? So the individual factions of the Covenant, even though they are clearly beaten down, scattered, and in recover in both the games and novels, somehow depart on some adventure and somehow find this mysterious Forerunner planet?

  • 08.17.2011 4:32 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: BlueRuby2k10


Not just me, sir...
They'll be remembered... and brought back if 343 is smart enough not to deviate from what Halo games have been established as...[/quote]

So basically, "-blam!- originality, don't make your own enemies 343."[/quote]

Would you look at that, being irrational yet again!
Have you not heard me say over and over and over again that the new enemy needs to be the central focus?[/quote]

never heard you say that, never saw anything that implied they wouldn't.

And why do the covenant "need to be in" if we aren't going to focus on them? what would there be to focus on?


I tell you one thing, i would wonder why the -blam!- they are there.[/quote]

Why? For story complexity. The plot needs to have multiple layers. The Covenant shouldn't just be in the background, they need to be feature as well. Just not as prominently as the main threat.


1. the covenant has broken up. so what race are you talking about?

2. why do they need to be in?we have 5 games and an a expansion that all have UNSC fighting the covenant.

3 game you are master chief mostly fighting them and there are 2 games were you fight only them.

So why do they need to be in this game "just to be there" when we already have 2 exclusive sources with them?


You, once again, are applying your misguided logic to this situation. If I said anything more, I'd just be repeating myself.

[Edited on 08.17.2011 4:34 PM PDT]

  • 08.17.2011 4:33 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: BlueRuby2k10

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: BlueRuby2k10
They could, but that would only lead to the general public becoming confused and possibly scrapping the game altogether.


So dumb down the Halo story then and give those who actually care about the Halo story a giant middle finger?


Why are you so closed-off to ideas? They can easily do both!


They can dumb down the story and keep it complex?


*facepalm*

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: BlueRuby2k10



Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: BlueRuby2k10
They could, but that would only lead to the general public becoming confused and possibly scrapping the game altogether. [/quote]

So dumb down the Halo story then and give those who actually care about the Halo story a giant middle finger?[/quote]

Why are you so closed-off to ideas? They can easily do both!


They can dumb down the story and keep it complex?


*facepalm*


which is what we do everytime you post this crap

  • 08.17.2011 4:37 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

You want to know what your problem is Ruby? You're only defense of your argument is, "It's a possibility." That isn't strong enough evidence to support either the UNSC or Covenant factions, which are limited on resources and have more important things to worry about than sending what limited ships they do have to find Chief in the vast, uncharted regions of space.

You would destroy established canon, and I know you can use the retcon defense, but no amount of retconning would allow the UNSC or Covenant to recover enough to a point they can just send ships out in random directions. In Halo: Reach, it took about 30 years just to recolonize Reach. But it takes a few years to track down Chief despite not knowing where exactly he is?

  • 08.17.2011 4:39 PM PDT

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