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Subject: A best Spartan II? I don't think so.

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I've been reading threads lately about people saying that the best Spartan is him, or her. But what i've come to see is that I don't believe there is a best Spartan. Here is my reasoning:

Now, before you start flaming me, just listen here. I believe every Spartan is good (well... most of them) and there may be a best Spartan, but i am unconvinced. I've read every book, played every game, read a couple of the comics, but honestly i've seen very little to say that there is a best Spartan II. John is a great leader, Kurt is a great leader, Sam was huge and was good with heavy weapons as was Jorge, Will and Fred were very good at CQC, Linda was the best Sniper, Kelly was the Fastest, Anton was the best scout, and so on and so forth.

But from what I can tell each Spartan has skills that make up for that of another, while John and Kurt are great leaders, Kelly may not be the greatest leader, but she is the fastest and that makes up for her lack in leadership skills and the same goes for John and Kurt.

Also we don't know every Spartan II, nor have we seen them all in action.

So, in conclusion, from what I can see there is not truly a best Spartan be it because we haven't seen them all, or because they have different skill sets, we may not ever truly know. Tell me what you think. Thanks.

  • 07.04.2011 1:30 PM PDT

Meh at a 'best spartan' currently.

Is there a group of Spartans which are the best compared to their fellows? sure.

  • 07.04.2011 1:34 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Meh at a 'best spartan' currently.

Is there a group of Spartans which are the best compared to their fellows? sure.


Yeah, if you compared the groups, sure.

  • 07.04.2011 1:37 PM PDT

I kind of agree, they all balanced each other out, but the two that I honestly find to be the best, if any, were 6 and Chief.

6 was like the jack of all trades, he could do recon, snipe, pilot, assassin, proved to be pretty fearsome up close, single-handedly took out rebel camps, and was obedient and noble as ever.

Chief was never the best at anything, but imo, he always had his head on right compared to the rest, he never bs'ed or joked around, he kept everyone in line, and stayed focused on the mission. He never knew defeat, and never missed. The cutscene from Cairo station in Halo 2 where he ejects out into space with the bomb, flies into the carrier, arms it, flies out before it blows, and lands on In Amber Clad shows how insanely good he is.

I think they made these two Spartans the protaganists of the games for a reason, and Halsey even states in A Spartan Will Rise about 6 as she's talking about him, that 'there's only one other Spartan with that kind of rating'. And we know who that is.

Oh wait, you said Spartan II, my mistake. I guess Chief then. It's really hard to say though.

[Edited on 07.04.2011 2:13 PM PDT]

  • 07.04.2011 1:53 PM PDT

"The measure of a man is what he does with power"-Plato

I know what you are saying OP.

But if anything Linda was the best Spartan.

She always split up with her team and fought engagements by herself when she had to and they consisted of Covenant and Innies.

She is a true lone wolf.

  • 07.04.2011 2:08 PM PDT

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SPARTANs are Lethal (a few being Hyper Lethal) alone.

SPARTANs are above Hyper Lethal in groups.

And while I feel Linda was and still is one the best SPARTANs currently in action. Justifying her as the best only because she engaged enemies by herself doesn't fit with what I personally think.

It was her job as a sniper for her Team. She still acted as part of a Team.

[Edited on 07.04.2011 2:24 PM PDT]

  • 07.04.2011 2:23 PM PDT

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Posted by: King Nis085
SPARTANs are Lethal (a few being Hyper Lethal) alone.

SPARTANs are above Hyper Lethal in groups.

And while I feel Linda was and still is one the best SPARTANs currently in action. Justifying her as the best only because she engaged enemies by herself doesn't fit with what I personally think.

It was her job as a sniper for her Team. She still acted as part of a Team.


I agree, definitely. And although she was a lone wolf that doesn't really make her the best. I mean she would be bested any day by Fred or Will in CQC. Ya know?

  • 07.04.2011 2:44 PM PDT

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Posted by: MisterBraz
I kind of agree, they all balanced each other out, but the two that I honestly find to be the best, if any, were 6 and Chief.

6 was like the jack of all trades, he could do recon, snipe, pilot, assassin, proved to be pretty fearsome up close, single-handedly took out rebel camps, and was obedient and noble as ever.

Chief was never the best at anything, but imo, he always had his head on right compared to the rest, he never bs'ed or joked around, he kept everyone in line, and stayed focused on the mission. He never knew defeat, and never missed. The cutscene from Cairo station in Halo 2 where he ejects out into space with the bomb, flies into the carrier, arms it, flies out before it blows, and lands on In Amber Clad shows how insanely good he is.

I think they made these two Spartans the protaganists of the games for a reason, and Halsey even states in A Spartan Will Rise about 6 as she's talking about him, that 'there's only one other Spartan with that kind of rating'. And we know who that is.

Oh wait, you said Spartan II, my mistake. I guess Chief then. It's really hard to say though.


Well, yeah i was talking about Spartan IIs. But really, Kurt is about as good as Chief.

  • 07.04.2011 2:45 PM PDT
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We are all going to get banned aren't we?

Kurt is actually better in leadership

  • 07.04.2011 2:46 PM PDT

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Posted by: Doctor Jensen
I agree, definitely. And although she was a lone wolf that doesn't really make her the best. I mean she would be bested any day by Fred or Will in CQC. Ya know?


This is a clear example of why SPARTANs were bred and trained to function as teams.

Without John, Blue Team wouldn't have a leader to lead them.

Without Linda, John wouldn't have been able to escape off the Covenant Cruiser with everyone prior to heading for Earth. (First Strike)

Without Kelly, John would've never been able to make that gap when they were both running for that control room aboard the Cruise (Halo Legends)

Again, while all SPARTANs excelled greatly in their own element. Whether it was CQC or Demolitions - even Sniping; they all functioned as a team.

  • 07.04.2011 2:50 PM PDT

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im kind of sad that we never learn of the spartan who failed augmentation. they are said to havetaken a desk job. but of what importance. And did they do anything in the millitary later on.

  • 07.04.2011 2:56 PM PDT


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Posted by: Doctor Jensen
I agree, definitely. And although she was a lone wolf that doesn't really make her the best. I mean she would be bested any day by Fred or Will in CQC. Ya know?


This is a clear example of why SPARTANs were bred and trained to function as teams.

Without John, Blue Team wouldn't have a leader to lead them.

Without Linda, John wouldn't have been able to escape off the Covenant Cruiser with everyone prior to heading for Earth. (First Strike)

Without Kelly, John would've never been able to make that gap when they were both running for that control room aboard the Cruise (Halo Legends)

Again, while all SPARTANs excelled greatly in their own element. Whether it was CQC or Demolitions - even Sniping; they all functioned as a team.



I think the halo universe is full off with if's...

  • 07.04.2011 2:56 PM PDT

If you're passionate about the thing you're talking about, I'll always lend an ear.

In my opinion it's Kurt.

His gut instinct and social skills surpass the understanding of any other S-II. His ability to recognise empathy and symbolism makes him more than any solider but also a true leader.

Combat quality wise, I'm sure everyone is above average in all departments. Some better than others, even specialist in certain skills. All rounded would be John or Fred. But everyone knows John is the "chosen one". His constant separation from the team and galactic saviour styled missions make him a higher priority. It's said in the novels Linda is the best lone wolf and etc etc.

To be honest. The best Spartan-II is too vague. It's like saying what's the best fruit. Each Spartan does it's own purpose magnificently. Kurt just stood out to me because no other Spartan-II could have done what Kurt did in terms of leading a S-III project with the mentality of a empathetic commander. This sets him out from the rest and only strengthen his position.

  • 07.04.2011 2:58 PM PDT

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Posted by: ninjakenzen
In my opinion it's Kurt.

His gut instinct and social skills surpass the understanding of any other S-II. His ability to recognise empathy and symbolism makes him more than any solider but also a true leader.

Combat quality wise, I'm sure everyone is above average in all departments. Some better than others, even specialist in certain skills. All rounded would be John or Fred. But everyone knows John is the "chosen one". His constant separation from the team and galactic saviour styled missions make him a higher priority. It's said in the novels Linda is the best lone wolf and etc etc.

To be honest. The best Spartan-II is too vague. It's like saying what's the best fruit. Each Spartan does it's own purpose magnificently. Kurt just stood out to me because no other Spartan-II could have done what Kurt did in terms of leading a S-III project with the mentality of a empathetic commander. This sets him out from the rest and only strengthen his position.


Notice though that Kurt is kind of like Mendez, John is also like Mendez in a way. So don't you think John could have done the same thing as Kurt. Cause I do.

  • 07.04.2011 3:13 PM PDT

Meh, I find it amusing really. "Oh, Linda in CQC would most likely be beaten." but then "Master Chief without a team does just fine."

Master Chief was at his personal best as a team leader, not the lone wolf stuff in the trilogy.

  • 07.04.2011 3:22 PM PDT

If you're passionate about the thing you're talking about, I'll always lend an ear.

Posted by: Doctor Jensen
Notice though that Kurt is kind of like Mendez, John is also like Mendez in a way. So don't you think John could have done the same thing as Kurt. Cause I do.

No I don't think John could have done the same as Kurt.

Had John been a better leader and understood the asset that Kurt was at the time. His team would not have been captured and almost executed if not for the last minute save for Kurt.

John's disability to basically be on the same wave length as Kurt would have made training a lot more narrow. His inability to communicate in general conversation would weaken his position as a leader to a new group of S-III's. They can't identify with him, so they would have a harder time being commanded by him. Kurt was able to channel his influence and understand the importance of the symbolism of the S-II's and S-III's.

It was why he choose the SPI armour and not the MJOLNIR when he could have. It arguably got him killed this decision, but he gave his life to improve team morale on both groups. To show that these S-III's are Spartans in every sense to the Blue team and even the S-III's themselves. Even though he was an S-II, these S-III's were important to him. Which allowed for blue team members to understand how vital they are. This is a long term choice,a very symbolic move on unification.

Something John wouldn't have done even if he got out of Kurt's position, dead or alive. He and the other S-II's are just not equipped at understanding how the benefits of socializing and leaving impressions have long-term repercussions outside the battlefield that can benefit inside the battlefield.

This is an asset that is beyond any Spartan. War is all they know. Live to fight and fight to live. Kurt knew that there was more to this. He put the needs of the team before his personal needs. I would personally argue that Kurt is a more effective leader.

  • 07.04.2011 4:12 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101
Kurt is actually better in leadership


Meh, if that were the case then I think he would have been the one put in place as the overall leader of the Spartan IIs instead of John. It wasn't just Halsey who chose the leader, Mendez was involved a great deal in that respect as well and he agreed to place John as the over all leader of the Spartan IIs.

  • 07.04.2011 8:18 PM PDT

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I lol'd at the absurd miscommunication that occurs whenever dibbs post something. Perhaps his brain is so highly evolved that he can no longer clearly communicate with lesser life forms, even among his own species.

Posted by: Doctor Jensen
Kelly may not be the greatest leader, but she is the fastest and that makes up for her lack in leadership skills
How is it that you are comparing traits that have absolutely no relationship to one another?

Anyway, the "best" Spartan is entirely subjective; it depends on what you define best as. For instance, the best Spartan to me would be the one that could make the best sandwiches; I imagine Linda or Kelly would fit that role nicely (blah blah sexism blah).

  • 07.04.2011 8:26 PM PDT

'life is a stare down with death himself'

i have to agree with the OP on this one. all spartans have been known to fight best with other spartans. as a squad, not lone wolf (though most have the ability to fight lone wolf.)

  • 07.04.2011 8:28 PM PDT

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I primarily agree with the OP but if I had to choose I am gonna say John, we can all say without this you would have that but the fact is John is the one who was picked to be the Leader of all the Spartan 2s, he was the one who destroyed Halo, stopped the Covenant and ended the flood. Again we can all debate the what ifs but fact says John did it without his team in constantly changing situations with varying odds and tools. He faced several new enemies ranging from insane galaxy destroying bent drones to the life consuming flood and came out alive. The S2s left in the Onyx sphere fought one group of Setinal which was indeed a challenge between their numbers and weapons but that could not compare to the flood and sentinal at once. MC was thrown into all of this, survived and saved humanity while also defeating an enemy they were busy fighting for the past 27 years.

  • 07.04.2011 8:31 PM PDT

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Posted by: sa7anicBarracuda
i have to agree with the OP on this one. all spartans have been known to fight best with other spartans. as a squad, not lone wolf (though most have the ability to fight lone wolf.)


Thanks. At least some people aren't flaming me. haha.

  • 07.04.2011 8:31 PM PDT

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Posted by: dibbs089
Posted by: Doctor Jensen
Kelly may not be the greatest leader, but she is the fastest and that makes up for her lack in leadership skills
How is it that you are comparing traits that have absolutely no relationship to one another?

Anyway, the "best" Spartan is entirely subjective; it depends on what you define best as. For instance, the best Spartan to me would be the one that could make the best sandwiches; I imagine Linda or Kelly would fit that role nicely (blah blah sexism blah).


you understand what I'm saying do you not? It's not about traits that have nothing to do with each other. It's more like positive and negative.

For Kelly:
+Speed
-Leadership

thus, logically, it brings me to conclude that the skills level out.

  • 07.04.2011 8:35 PM PDT

To be the best you have to be an all around great person at everything and John had that, plus he had something else no one else had: luck.

  • 07.04.2011 8:53 PM PDT

Best spartan... Caboose. After him Kurt, although all spartans, 2s and 3s, we designed to work togeherina single cohesive unit, each member having special assets and flaws that would be evened out by squadmates.

  • 07.04.2011 9:02 PM PDT

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Posted by: GhillESnThEMisT
Best spartan... Caboose. After him Kurt, although all spartans, 2s and 3s, we designed to work togeherina single cohesive unit, each member having special assets and flaws that would be evened out by squadmates.


Eh, so many Kurts. He's a great Spartan and all but I still don't think he measures up to John or Sam or Fred.

  • 07.04.2011 9:03 PM PDT

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