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Subject: A best Spartan II? I don't think so.

John is lucky. He will always make his saving throws, and has a higher chance of winning at the casinos. This was how the SPARTAN program was funded. From john's gambling.

  • 07.04.2011 9:04 PM PDT

No u


Posted by: Felco1
John is lucky. He will always make his saving throws, and has a higher chance of winning at the casinos. This was how the SPARTAN program was funded. From john's gambling.


Hahaha. Oh good times.

  • 07.04.2011 9:06 PM PDT

Im not crazy...you just have a different view of reality

Ahem...

"They let me pick, Choose which ever spartan I wanted. Like the others you were strong and swift and brave, but you had something they didnt, can you guess?.. Luck"

lol so I guess that sums it up... Master Chief = BOSS!

  • 07.04.2011 9:11 PM PDT

Im not crazy...you just have a different view of reality


Posted by: Doctor Jensen

Posted by: dibbs089
Posted by: Doctor Jensen
Kelly may not be the greatest leader, but she is the fastest and that makes up for her lack in leadership skills
How is it that you are comparing traits that have absolutely no relationship to one another?

Anyway, the "best" Spartan is entirely subjective; it depends on what you define best as. For instance, the best Spartan to me would be the one that could make the best sandwiches; I imagine Linda or Kelly would fit that role nicely (blah blah sexism blah).


you understand what I'm saying do you not? It's not about traits that have nothing to do with each other. It's more like positive and negative.

For Kelly:
+Speed
-Leadership

thus, logically, it brings me to conclude that the skills level out.




You cant logically conclude that two verry differing skills can "level out"

example:
+Ability to drink
-Ability to eat
... -_-

  • 07.04.2011 9:22 PM PDT

"What they don't knw Can't hurt Them

Posted by: Cp FrEaK
Ahem...

"They let me pick, Choose which ever spartan I wanted. Like the others you were strong and swift and brave, but you had something they didnt, can you guess?.. Luck"

lol so I guess that sums it up... Master Chief = BOSS!



Yea I was trying to find that quote. Dr. Halsey knows them spartans II the best. If she says Johns is boss then I'm going with that.

  • 07.04.2011 9:42 PM PDT

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Posted by: Agustus
I lol'd at the absurd miscommunication that occurs whenever dibbs post something. Perhaps his brain is so highly evolved that he can no longer clearly communicate with lesser life forms, even among his own species.

Posted by: Cp FrEaK

Posted by: Doctor Jensen

Posted by: dibbs089
Posted by: Doctor Jensen
Kelly may not be the greatest leader, but she is the fastest and that makes up for her lack in leadership skills
How is it that you are comparing traits that have absolutely no relationship to one another?

Anyway, the "best" Spartan is entirely subjective; it depends on what you define best as. For instance, the best Spartan to me would be the one that could make the best sandwiches; I imagine Linda or Kelly would fit that role nicely (blah blah sexism blah).


you understand what I'm saying do you not? It's not about traits that have nothing to do with each other. It's more like positive and negative.

For Kelly:
+Speed
-Leadership

thus, logically, it brings me to conclude that the skills level out.




You cant logically conclude that two verry differing skills can "level out"

example:
+Ability to drink
-Ability to eat
... -_-
Exactly. This isn't an RPG where +intelligence leads to -strength. Speed and leadership are two vastly different things and it's frankly laughable to compare them in those terms. Not to mention even if they could be compared, it amounts to "how much" of each trait there is. Which is better 100 speed and 0 leadership or 50 speed 50 leadership?

Anyway, shouldn't we be deciding who the best sandwich maker is? That would be the best Spartan after all..

  • 07.04.2011 9:43 PM PDT

"What they don't knw Can't hurt Them

EASY! Kelly would be the best sandwich maker, she could easily make the sandwich in seconds.

  • 07.04.2011 9:53 PM PDT

The Forerunner, the Great Journey, and Heaven Theory

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Posted by: Agustus
I lol'd at the absurd miscommunication that occurs whenever dibbs post something. Perhaps his brain is so highly evolved that he can no longer clearly communicate with lesser life forms, even among his own species.

Posted by: jckinter06
EASY! Kelly would be the best sandwich maker, she could easily make the sandwich in seconds.
While Kelly would certainly make sandwiches more quickly than anyone else, we still have to consider the taste. Jorge is a large man who, in my opinion, would have a fairly good sense of delicious food. I think he would make delicious sandwiches. But to be the best sandwich maker both time taken to make the sandwich and taste have to be taken into account. This is hard...

  • 07.04.2011 10:04 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Posted by: dibbs089
Posted by: jckinter06
EASY! Kelly would be the best sandwich maker, she could easily make the sandwich in seconds.
While Kelly would certainly make sandwiches more quickly than anyone else, we still have to consider the taste. Jorge is a large man who, in my opinion, would have a fairly good sense of delicious food. I think he would make delicious sandwiches. But to be the best sandwich maker both time taken to make the sandwich and taste have to be taken into account. This is hard...

Master Chef 117, obviously.

  • 07.04.2011 10:07 PM PDT

"What they don't knw Can't hurt Them

yea good point but im thinking you would want presentation as well as those taste and speed. I'm thinking Kurt you know would know what the audience likes.

  • 07.04.2011 10:30 PM PDT


Posted by: ninjakenzen
Posted by: Doctor Jensen
Notice though that Kurt is kind of like Mendez, John is also like Mendez in a way. So don't you think John could have done the same thing as Kurt. Cause I do.

No I don't think John could have done the same as Kurt.

Had John been a better leader and understood the asset that Kurt was at the time. His team would not have been captured and almost executed if not for the last minute save for Kurt.

John's disability to basically be on the same wave length as Kurt would have made training a lot more narrow. His inability to communicate in general conversation would weaken his position as a leader to a new group of S-III's. They can't identify with him, so they would have a harder time being commanded by him. Kurt was able to channel his influence and understand the importance of the symbolism of the S-II's and S-III's.

It was why he choose the SPI armour and not the MJOLNIR when he could have. It arguably got him killed this decision, but he gave his life to improve team morale on both groups. To show that these S-III's are Spartans in every sense to the Blue team and even the S-III's themselves. Even though he was an S-II, these S-III's were important to him. Which allowed for blue team members to understand how vital they are. This is a long term choice,a very symbolic move on unification.

Something John wouldn't have done even if he got out of Kurt's position, dead or alive. He and the other S-II's are just not equipped at understanding how the benefits of socializing and leaving impressions have long-term repercussions outside the battlefield that can benefit inside the battlefield.

This is an asset that is beyond any Spartan. War is all they know. Live to fight and fight to live. Kurt knew that there was more to this. He put the needs of the team before his personal needs. I would personally argue that Kurt is a more effective leader.


They need to write more stories about Kurt.

  • 07.05.2011 2:22 AM PDT
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I think that the best SPARTAN II was the one who worked with his/her team. They could be lone wolfs, great at their own, but military doesn't like them much (Remember words said by Carter to new Noble 6?) - teamwork was much more efficient.

As far as I know, SPARTANs were trained for individual and team missions. Military wanted SPARTANs to cooperate with other units, with other SPARTANs teams.
SPARTANs were good on their own, but better working as a team, where they could show their true potential.

John was "lucky", Kurt had "funny feelings/precognition's", Linda was great sharpshooter, Kelly attitude was speed. Every SPARTAN had its own set of good sites and bad sites, but when They worked as a team, bad sites were compensated and good sites multiplied.

In my opinion, all SPARTANs were the best SPARTANs. We can only choose those of them who fascinate us, not by skills but way they were.

  • 07.05.2011 3:43 AM PDT

If you're passionate about the thing you're talking about, I'll always lend an ear.

Posted by: ThePredkiller2
They need to write more stories about Kurt.

For me, Kurt's death was the most powerful bout of imagery of a Spartan's death in all of Halo Literature. Maybe it Nylund's amazing use of character development but either way I really felt for him by the end of the Novel.

That's powerful writing in my books, when you can empathise with the characters throughout the story. I honestly hope they don't touch on Kurt again, for fear that they might lose continuity with his character. GoO is sufficient enough for me.

  • 07.05.2011 6:29 AM PDT


Posted by: Cp FrEaK
Ahem...

"They let me pick, Choose which ever spartan I wanted. Like the others you were strong and swift and brave, but you had something they didnt, can you guess?.. Luck"

lol so I guess that sums it up... Master Chief = BOSS!

What does that have to do with anything? Where does that say he was the best? All that says if that John was Lucky.

  • 07.05.2011 7:05 AM PDT

"What they don't knw Can't hurt Them

What that means is that out of all the spartans Cortana and Dr. Halsey both believed their best chances of survival were with John. I would look up for some quote supporting this but im too lazy.

  • 07.05.2011 10:23 AM PDT

Multi-trillionaire modern cowboy.

That's right.

I agree. But if anything, the element of luck is the most handy. Still, that won't save you from everything.

  • 07.05.2011 10:33 AM PDT

S.H.E


Posted by: II Cipher
I know what you are saying OP.

But if anything Linda was the best Spartan.

She always split up with her team and fought engagements by herself when she had to and they consisted of Covenant and Innies.

She is a true lone wolf.

"She always split up with her team" This is NOT a good thing, she is not "better" because she leave's her team.

She leaves her team because she is a sniper, not because shes better, you gain 1 point for stupidity.

[Edited on 07.05.2011 10:44 AM PDT]

  • 07.05.2011 10:38 AM PDT

King of the Dark


Posted by: Doctor Jensen
If you don't want to read this, please, don't bother even commenting as we don't want to clog up the thread. Thank you.


I've been reading threads lately about people saying that the best Spartan is him, or her. But what i've come to see is that I don't believe there is a best Spartan. Here is my reasoning:

Now, before you start flaming me, just listen here. I believe every Spartan is good (well... most of them) and there may be a best Spartan, but i am unconvinced. I've read every book, played every game, read a couple of the comics, but honestly i've seen very little to say that there is a best Spartan II. John is a great leader, Kurt is a great leader, Sam was huge and was good with heavy weapons as was Jorge, Will and Fred were very good at CQC, Linda was the best Sniper, Kelly was the Fastest, Anton was the best scout, and so on and so forth.

But from what I can tell each Spartan has skills that make up for that of another, while John and Kurt are great leaders, Kelly may not be the greatest leader, but she is the fastest and that makes up for her lack in leadership skills and the same goes for John and Kurt.

Also we don't know every Spartan II, nor have we seen them all in action.

So, in conclusion, from what I can see there is not truly a best Spartan be it because we haven't seen them all, or because they have different skill sets, we may not ever truly know. Tell me what you think. Thanks.


Good job explaining :) I say you get my vote

  • 07.05.2011 10:38 AM PDT

"What they don't knw Can't hurt Them

Posted by: mojeda101

Posted by: Cp FrEaK
Ahem...

"They let me pick, Choose which ever spartan I wanted. Like the others you were strong and swift and brave, but you had something they didnt, can you guess?.. Luck"

lol so I guess that sums it up... Master Chief = BOSS!

What does that have to do with anything? Where does that say he was the best? All that says if that John was Lucky.


yea true but it definently gives you a massive advantage over any situation. In a situation where no spartan would be able to succeed then John just might be able to.

[Edited on 07.05.2011 10:47 AM PDT]

  • 07.05.2011 10:45 AM PDT

'life is a stare down with death himself'


Posted by: Doctor Jensen

Posted by: GhillESnThEMisT
Best spartan... Caboose. After him Kurt, although all spartans, 2s and 3s, we designed to work togeherina single cohesive unit, each member having special assets and flaws that would be evened out by squadmates.


Eh, so many Kurts. He's a great Spartan and all but I still don't think he measures up to John or Sam or Fred.

sure, he may not be the best leader, but he saved blue team on several occasions and has also come out on top against blue team on training exercises to. he is cautious, and that's why i like him.

  • 07.05.2011 11:08 AM PDT


Posted by: jckinter06
yea true but it definently gives you a massive advantage over any situation. In a situation where no spartan would be able to succeed then John just might be able to.


um, luck wouldn't change that. If NO Spartan could succeed, John being lucky wouldn't magically make him able to win.

Also, I agree with Kurt could be considered the better leader because he took the time to get to know his teammates and those under his command personally. John was always seeming detached, especially to marines. Kurt went out of his way to make friends.

Also, Mendez(from what I've read) had strong predictions that KURT, not John, would be the leader of the Spartans.

  • 07.05.2011 11:30 AM PDT

there were only like 36 out of training and only 25 went to reach. Technically only one left with the ability to fight and he won the entire war for humanity, so i'd say chief is the best.

post script : the chief can do anything, he specializes in everything, he is the only all purpose soldier.

  • 07.05.2011 11:36 AM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."


Posted by: Chaoscoolperson
there were only like 36 out of training and only 25 went to reach. Technically only one left with the ability to fight and he won the entire war for humanity, so i'd say chief is the best.

post script : the chief can do anything, he specializes in everything, he is the only all purpose soldier.


It's easy to survive Reach when you send all your men to the surface while you deal with some data erasing safely above the planet....

  • 07.05.2011 1:26 PM PDT


Posted by: Chaoscoolperson
there were only like 36 out of training and only 25 went to reach. Technically only one left with the ability to fight and he won the entire war for humanity, so i'd say chief is the best.

post script : the chief can do anything, he specializes in everything, he is the only all purpose soldier.


False in many ways.

Chief did not defeat the covenant. The Elites did. (Thel killed truth, and if they hadn't joined the humans Humanity would have been destroyed.)

Chief does not specialize in everything. He specializes in leadership. If he did so in everything he would be as good as linda in sniping, or fred in CQC. He was good at everything, but not a master in specific fields (in Spartan terms).

Personally I say kick the trilogy out on it's ass in these debates if it is always used as a cheap cop-out. "Oh, John did the halo trilogy events, So he's the best because we honestly have no idea if any other spartan could have done it better or worse!" or "Master Chief had no trouble in Halo CE and 2, he's unstoppable!" which clearly shows they haven't touched the Flood.

  • 07.05.2011 1:42 PM PDT

No u


Posted by: mojeda101

Posted by: Cp FrEaK
Ahem...

"They let me pick, Choose which ever spartan I wanted. Like the others you were strong and swift and brave, but you had something they didnt, can you guess?.. Luck"

lol so I guess that sums it up... Master Chief = BOSS!

What does that have to do with anything? Where does that say he was the best? All that says if that John was Lucky.


I bolded part of this quote to show that John was as good as all of them. Then it say "but you had something they DIDN'T..." I'd say that sums it up nicely.

  • 07.05.2011 2:01 PM PDT

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