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Subject: Novels about Noble Team

@accordingto343

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Posted by: ajw34307

Posted by: OrderedComa
seeing as they were the only members of the team who were there since the beginning.


This I do not fully understand.

Carter was part of Alpha Company, Kat was part of Beta. Carter was pulled out of PROMETHEUS over a decade before TORPEDO, what was he doing in that time? What about Jun and Emile who were also part of Alpha, what were they doing for ten years to end up in Noble but as later additions since Carter and Kat were the original members. Is this implying there were OTHER members of NT that died in order for Kat and Carter to be the original members?


Boy, I sure wish we had a book to explain Noble Team's history, but some folks don't want to give it a chance. SOme people right?

  • 07.05.2011 4:15 PM PDT

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: ajw34307

Posted by: OrderedComa
seeing as they were the only members of the team who were there since the beginning.


This I do not fully understand.

Carter was part of Alpha Company, Kat was part of Beta. Carter was pulled out of PROMETHEUS over a decade before TORPEDO, what was he doing in that time? What about Jun and Emile who were also part of Alpha, what were they doing for ten years to end up in Noble but as later additions since Carter and Kat were the original members. Is this implying there were OTHER members of NT that died in order for Kat and Carter to be the original members?


Boy, I sure wish we had a book to explain Noble Team's history, but some folks don't want to give it a chance. SOme people right?


Given that I'm just finding more and more questions to ask, yeah an explanation would be nice. The downside? It'd have to be from the POV of Carter, the first Noble.

  • 07.05.2011 4:22 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: ajw34307
Given that I'm just finding more and more questions to ask, yeah an explanation would be nice. The downside? It'd have to be from the POV of Carter, the first Noble.

Why exactly is that bad? He's probably the only one level-headed enough to offer a reliable record of events.

  • 07.05.2011 4:24 PM PDT

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: ajw34307
Given that I'm just finding more and more questions to ask, yeah an explanation would be nice. The downside? It'd have to be from the POV of Carter, the first Noble.

Why exactly is that bad? He's probably the only one level-headed enough to offer a reliable record of events.


I'd much rather Jorge be the protagonist because he actually has a personality.

  • 07.05.2011 4:37 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: ajw34307

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: ajw34307
Given that I'm just finding more and more questions to ask, yeah an explanation would be nice. The downside? It'd have to be from the POV of Carter, the first Noble.

Why exactly is that bad? He's probably the only one level-headed enough to offer a reliable record of events.


I'd much rather Jorge be the protagonist because he actually has a personality.

Implying the book Carter couldn't have personality?

  • 07.05.2011 4:39 PM PDT


Posted by: Xd00999
I think this is a good idea. People complain that noble is cliche and flat, but trying to build 5 separate characters in a FPS game is quite hard. For there to have been really character development the game would have had to been longer and have lots more dialogue.



And......since when was a longer campaign with more dialogue a bad thing?

  • 07.05.2011 4:42 PM PDT

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: ajw34307

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: ajw34307
Given that I'm just finding more and more questions to ask, yeah an explanation would be nice. The downside? It'd have to be from the POV of Carter, the first Noble.

Why exactly is that bad? He's probably the only one level-headed enough to offer a reliable record of events.


I'd much rather Jorge be the protagonist because he actually has a personality.

Implying the book Carter couldn't have personality?


He's not supposed to, he's a Spartan. It's why I generally find Spartans boring because they all have the same general backstory, there are a few exceptions to Spartans that are interesting (Kurt, Lucy, Sam and a few others).

  • 07.05.2011 4:48 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: ajw34307

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: ajw34307

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: ajw34307
Given that I'm just finding more and more questions to ask, yeah an explanation would be nice. The downside? It'd have to be from the POV of Carter, the first Noble.

Why exactly is that bad? He's probably the only one level-headed enough to offer a reliable record of events.


I'd much rather Jorge be the protagonist because he actually has a personality.

Implying the book Carter couldn't have personality?


He's not supposed to, he's a Spartan. It's why I generally find Spartans boring because they all have the same general backstory, there are a few exceptions to Spartans that are interesting (Kurt, Lucy, Sam and a few others).

Don't forget Roland and Jonah. Miss Isabella...JK on that one. ;)

But in this case, the members of Noble already have personalities, they're just subtle. But I already know you don't agree with me on that point.

  • 07.05.2011 4:51 PM PDT


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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: ajw34307
Given that I'm just finding more and more questions to ask, yeah an explanation would be nice. The downside? It'd have to be from the POV of Carter, the first Noble.[/quote]
Why exactly is that bad? He's probably the only one level-headed enough to offer a reliable record of events.


I'd much rather Jorge be the protagonist because he actually has a personality.

Implying the book Carter couldn't have personality?


He's not supposed to, he's a Spartan. It's why I generally find Spartans boring because they all have the same general backstory, there are a few exceptions to Spartans that are interesting (Kurt, Lucy, Sam and a few others).

Don't forget Roland and Jonah. Miss Isabella...JK on that one. ;)

But in this case, the members of Noble already have personalities, they're just subtle. But I already know you don't agree with me on that point.


Too subtle, lacking humanity that we can actually feel and care for.

And please, don't say its "because they're Spartans, they're trained to not show emotions."

Because that's really just an excuse for -blam!- writing. Its like the Star Wars fanboy argument that Anakin and Padme loved each other because it was the will of the Force, rather then them legitimately loving each other like humans. The fanboys think that explains away the lack of a real reason for their love, when its just an excuse (for full details, watch the Harry Plinkett reviews).

There is no excuse for not showing emotions that audiences can feel and connect with.

  • 07.05.2011 4:55 PM PDT

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Why waste my money on a book about a team of Spartans that don't exist in the Halo Bible?

  • 07.05.2011 5:08 PM PDT


Posted by: ajw34307

Posted by: OrderedComa
seeing as they were the only members of the team who were there since the beginning.


This I do not fully understand.

Carter was part of Alpha Company, Kat was part of Beta. Carter was pulled out of PROMETHEUS over a decade before TORPEDO, what was he doing in that time? What about Jun and Emile who were also part of Alpha, what were they doing for ten years to end up in Noble but as later additions since Carter and Kat were the original members. Is this implying there were OTHER members of NT that died in order for Kat and Carter to be the original members?


It would be my guess that Carter was originally a part of a different team and then either given command of or transferred to Noble Team as one of the founding members. That's my take anyway, this is the sort of thing that would be explained in a book about Noble Team.

  • 07.05.2011 5:45 PM PDT
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Posted by: Xd00999
I think this is a good idea. People complain that noble is cliche and flat, but trying to build 5 separate characters in a FPS game is quite hard. For there to have been really character development the game would have had to been longer and have lots more dialogue.



And......since when was a longer campaign with more dialogue a bad thing?


I didn't say that it would have been a bad thing. There are lots of FPS games that are long and character driven. Crysis 2 springs to mind. The problem is that those games are more single player oriented whereas Reach was largely Forge, Custom Games, and Matchmaking. Having a longer development cycle would have been a solution, but the addition of more campaign levels could have resulted in more breaks in canon... Or fixes to the breaks that existed.

I would have welcomed a longer campaign though.

And as an aside, most of the characters we know and love (MC, Thel, Cortana, Halsey, etc.) have had several games or books with them as main characters giving Bungie more time to develop their character. Noble only has one game and you are not even with all of them for most of the time. Of course their characters are going to be flatter than the others.

  • 07.05.2011 5:59 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: xecnalxes117
Why waste my money on a book about a team of Spartans that don't exist in the Halo Bible?

They do exist according to the sources where it matters, Bungie and 343 Industries.

  • 07.05.2011 6:17 PM PDT


Posted by: xecnalxes117
Why waste my money on a book about a team of Spartans that don't exist in the Halo Bible?


*facedesk* I thought people had given up on this kinda of argument months ago...

Uuuh, everything from Halo: Reach has been in the Halo Story Bible since at least about the same time as ODST. Every piece of Halo media has its basis in the HSB, that includes the games, the books, the graphic novels, the shorts like Halo Legends...and whatever other sources of media that contains information pertaining to Halo's story. Whatever gave you the idea that Noble Team didn't exist in the Halo Story Bible? O_o I'm sorry but thinking they weren't in there is kind of absurd really.

  • 07.06.2011 7:48 AM PDT

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Posted by: xecnalxes117
Why waste my money on a book about a team of Spartans that don't exist in the Halo Bible?


*facedesk* I thought people had given up on this kinda of argument months ago...

Uuuh, everything from Halo: Reach has been in the Halo Story Bible since at least about the same time as ODST.

How do you know? Did you read the Halo Story Bible? O.o

  • 07.06.2011 9:42 AM PDT

If you're passionate about the thing you're talking about, I'll always lend an ear.

I'm not remotely interested at the notion of "Special-Ops Spartans" who don't function like the Spartans that are depicted in every other source material with the exception of Reach.

It's out of character and frankly, in my eyes, destroys continuity of the Spartan Project. How magnificent writers have built up the mythos of legendary super-soldiers for over a decade, only for it to be torn down by an instance of cheap entertainment to fit suitable racial stereotyping is not my cup of tea.

  • 07.06.2011 10:15 AM PDT
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Posted by: xecnalxes117
Why waste my money on a book about a team of Spartans that don't exist in the Halo Bible?


*facedesk* I thought people had given up on this kinda of argument months ago...

Uuuh, everything from Halo: Reach has been in the Halo Story Bible since at least about the same time as ODST.

How do you know? Did you read the Halo Story Bible? O.o
The same could be said as a counter-argument. If you want to go down that road, I can say that Bungie is lying about the existence of a HSB and that Halo was made over ten years of solid "winging it".
Why can I say that?
Because, have you read the Halo Story Bible? O.o

  • 07.06.2011 10:21 AM PDT
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i'd love it the characters backstorys need to be explored

  • 07.06.2011 10:53 AM PDT


Posted by: ninjakenzen
I'm not remotely interested at the notion of "Special-Ops Spartans" who don't function like the Spartans that are depicted in every other source material with the exception of Reach.

It's out of character and frankly, in my eyes, destroys continuity of the Spartan Project. How magnificent writers have built up the mythos of legendary super-soldiers for over a decade, only for it to be torn down by an instance of cheap entertainment to fit suitable racial stereotyping is not my cup of tea.


Emile and Jun lol

  • 07.06.2011 11:00 AM PDT

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No. I didn't find any of the characters likable and wouldn't enjoy reading about them. Plus, it'd probably just create more canon errors along with that whole abomination called, "Halo: Reach."


Y U NO LIKE JORGE?!

  • 07.06.2011 11:03 AM PDT


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Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: xecnalxes117
Why waste my money on a book about a team of Spartans that don't exist in the Halo Bible?


*facedesk* I thought people had given up on this kinda of argument months ago...

Uuuh, everything from Halo: Reach has been in the Halo Story Bible since at least about the same time as ODST.

How do you know? Did you read the Halo Story Bible? O.o


Nooo, but I know what Bungie has stated about it before, they said it contains every little detail of Halo's story they've ever worked out, that would include Reach, and since Reach was in development since right around when ODST was being made, that means that the details introduced in Reach have been there at least since ODST, some or all of it may have been in there before ODST, idk, I just know that the HSB contains all of the information revealed by any Halo media, and that would include Reach.

  • 07.06.2011 11:24 AM PDT

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Posted by: OrderedComa

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Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: xecnalxes117
Why waste my money on a book about a team of Spartans that don't exist in the Halo Bible?


*facedesk* I thought people had given up on this kinda of argument months ago...

Uuuh, everything from Halo: Reach has been in the Halo Story Bible since at least about the same time as ODST.

How do you know? Did you read the Halo Story Bible? O.o


Nooo, but I know what Bungie has stated about it before, they said it contains every little detail of Halo's story they've ever worked out, that would include Reach, and since Reach was in development since right around when ODST was being made, that means that the details introduced in Reach have been there at least since ODST, some or all of it may have been in there before ODST, idk, I just know that the HSB contains all of the information revealed by any Halo media, and that would include Reach.

Haha. Yeah, I was just messin' with ya. I wonder why we can't see the Halo Bible, though. I mean, obviously they don't want to spoil anything 343 may have added, but everybody's always pointing our contradictions and such. So, it'd be much easier if the Halo Story Bible was accessible.

  • 07.06.2011 11:59 AM PDT

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Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: xecnalxes117
Why waste my money on a book about a team of Spartans that don't exist in the Halo Bible?


*facedesk* I thought people had given up on this kinda of argument months ago...

Uuuh, everything from Halo: Reach has been in the Halo Story Bible since at least about the same time as ODST.

How do you know? Did you read the Halo Story Bible? O.o
The same could be said as a counter-argument. If you want to go down that road, I can say that Bungie is lying about the existence of a HSB and that Halo was made over ten years of solid "winging it".
Why can I say that?
Because, have you read the Halo Story Bible? O.o

Very true. I haven't read the Halo Story Bible...or have I? O.o o.O O.o Haha.

  • 07.06.2011 12:01 PM PDT
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Posted by: goldhawk
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Interestingly ONI gives us this plaque. Notice the dates at the top.

  • 07.06.2011 12:09 PM PDT

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In response to the OP, no. Novels about Noble Team only make it possible for more canon inconsistencies and mistakes to be made. Noble team was made up from nothing, lets not make the story any more of a disorganized mess than it already is..

  • 07.06.2011 1:45 PM PDT

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