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The Prisoners final words are NOT about the Flood they are referencing the Rings. The Precursor probably knows where the Flood powder came from but I doubt a being that has been held captive for several thousand years knows the Flood is back or still exists.

  • 07.05.2011 3:30 PM PDT

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The Prisoner = Gravemind. He is talking about the Flood.

  • 07.05.2011 3:36 PM PDT

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Doesn't he say he is a Precursor, besides his description isn't anything close to the Gravemind, there is also the fact that Mandicant Bias went Rampant when talking to Gravemind I believe, how would this be true if Gravemind was locked up(in a time dilation field if I remember correctly).

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

Greg implied on his board that the prisoner might be lying about everything.

The only reason he knows about the flood is because the humans asked him about it.

  • 07.05.2011 3:50 PM PDT

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Posted by: Sparda Reborn
Doesn't he say he is a Precursor, besides his description isn't anything close to the Gravemind, there is also the fact that Mandicant Bias went Rampant when talking to Gravemind I believe, how would this be true if Gravemind was locked up(in a time dilation field if I remember correctly).


You know what the Flood does to its host? It mutates it. So when they all come piling their shi7 on the Prisoner over 130,000 years he's going to change his looks a bit. Also, the Prisoner has been likened to a Eurypterid, this is pretty similar to the appearance of the Gravemind.

Also, I find it HIGHLY unlikely that Mendicant Bias would disappear TWICE for 43 years and return to betray the Forerunners saying he serves a new master. All evidence points to the Gravemind and Prisoner being the same thing.

  • 07.05.2011 4:01 PM PDT

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Posted by: ajw34307

Posted by: Sparda Reborn
Doesn't he say he is a Precursor, besides his description isn't anything close to the Gravemind, there is also the fact that Mandicant Bias went Rampant when talking to Gravemind I believe, how would this be true if Gravemind was locked up(in a time dilation field if I remember correctly).


You know what the Flood does to its host? It mutates it. So when they all come piling their shi7 on the Prisoner over 130,000 years he's going to change his looks a bit. Also, the Prisoner has been likened to a Eurypterid, this is pretty similar to the appearance of the Gravemind.

Also, I find it HIGHLY unlikely that Mendicant Bias would disappear TWICE for 43 years and return to betray the Forerunners saying he serves a new master. All evidence points to the Gravemind and Prisoner being the same thing.


A Gravemind starts out as a Proto-Gravemind -- a Flood form created by merging the bodies and biomass of numerous sentient life forms

What I'm thinking is that the prisoner gives himself up to the flood resulting in the flood accessing alot of precursor knowledge.
And I think what he means is that MB never talked to the prisoner as he was locked up in a Time Dilation lock which just a guess here --please correct me-- the prisoner is in a alternate dimension trapped in time similar to the S-III gamma squad trapped in the forerunner slipspace field pods

  • 07.05.2011 4:35 PM PDT


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Posted by: ajw34307

Posted by: Sparda Reborn
Doesn't he say he is a Precursor, besides his description isn't anything close to the Gravemind, there is also the fact that Mandicant Bias went Rampant when talking to Gravemind I believe, how would this be true if Gravemind was locked up(in a time dilation field if I remember correctly).


You know what the Flood does to its host? It mutates it. So when they all come piling their shi7 on the Prisoner over 130,000 years he's going to change his looks a bit. Also, the Prisoner has been likened to a Eurypterid, this is pretty similar to the appearance of the Gravemind.

Also, I find it HIGHLY unlikely that Mendicant Bias would disappear TWICE for 43 years and return to betray the Forerunners saying he serves a new master. All evidence points to the Gravemind and Prisoner being the same thing.


A Gravemind starts out as a Proto-Gravemind -- a Flood form created by merging the bodies and biomass of numerous sentient life forms

What I'm thinking is that the prisoner gives himself up to the flood resulting in the flood accessing alot of precursor knowledge.
And I think what he means is that MB never talked to the prisoner as he was locked up in a Time Dilation lock which just a guess here --please correct me-- the prisoner is in a alternate dimension trapped in time similar to the S-III gamma squad trapped in the forerunner slipspace field pods


The Prisoner escaped when MB freed him...

Did you read the last quarter of the book? Bias freed the Prisoner, and Bornstellar considered the possibility he and the Prisoner spoke, conversed for 43 years. Then, he joined the Flood.

Literally all information suggests he's the Gravemind.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Um medicant bias talked with him for 43 years that was stated in the terminals along with that same time being said for MB being gone in the book.

Then MB says didact is " dangerous to his new master",etc

They are the same.

and from recent events i don't think we know the true life cycle of the flood since the gravemind "isn't of natural formation".

  • 07.05.2011 4:42 PM PDT

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Posted by: jckinter06

Posted by: ajw34307

Posted by: Sparda Reborn
Doesn't he say he is a Precursor, besides his description isn't anything close to the Gravemind, there is also the fact that Mandicant Bias went Rampant when talking to Gravemind I believe, how would this be true if Gravemind was locked up(in a time dilation field if I remember correctly).


You know what the Flood does to its host? It mutates it. So when they all come piling their shi7 on the Prisoner over 130,000 years he's going to change his looks a bit. Also, the Prisoner has been likened to a Eurypterid, this is pretty similar to the appearance of the Gravemind.

Also, I find it HIGHLY unlikely that Mendicant Bias would disappear TWICE for 43 years and return to betray the Forerunners saying he serves a new master. All evidence points to the Gravemind and Prisoner being the same thing.


A Gravemind starts out as a Proto-Gravemind -- a Flood form created by merging the bodies and biomass of numerous sentient life forms


Insufficient documentation of a Proto-Gravemind ever becoming a Gravemind. Each time one has been attempted, it was destroyed.

What I'm thinking is that the prisoner gives himself up to the flood resulting in the flood accessing alot of precursor knowledge.
And I think what he means is that MB never talked to the prisoner as he was locked up in a Time Dilation lock which just a guess here --please correct me-- the prisoner is in a alternate dimension trapped in time similar to the S-III gamma squad trapped in the forerunner slipspace field pods


Bias frees the Prisoner by firing the Halo Ring at Charum Hakkor and destroying the Precursor technology holding him. From there, the Prisoner would most logically stowed away on MB's Installation (which just happened to be Installation 05, the same Ring Gravemind is discovered on).

The Prisoner was not in a Micro Dyson Sphere.

[Edited on 07.05.2011 4:45 PM PDT]

  • 07.05.2011 4:44 PM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

I simply don't believe the precursor = gravemind theory.

They have completely different descriptions, and they don't act the same at all.

I believe it's much more likely that MB, Gravemind, AND the precursor were on that ring together.

[Edited on 07.05.2011 4:46 PM PDT]

  • 07.05.2011 4:46 PM PDT


Posted by: privet caboose
I simply don't believe the precursor = gravemind theory.

They have completely different descriptions, and they don't act the same at all.

I believe it's much more likely that MB, Gravemind, AND the precursor were on that ring together.


1) The Gravemind technically doesn't even have a corporeal body. He's an entity that controls the Flood, not a biological organism.

But whose to say he doesn't either ascend to such a point, being a Transsentient, or is telepathically using the Flood as a messanger. Puppets on a string, to do his dirty work for him.

2) How do they not act the same? They're both mass galactic manipulators with impossible power.

3) I find it highly unlikely that we'd have two impossibly powerful transsentients to deal with. One was bad enough. Two....just seems to be milking the idea.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

Now that i think about it the terminals just had MB talking to "something" we didn't know for a fact that it was the gravemind until halo evolutions when he outright said it

  • 07.05.2011 4:55 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101
Now that i think about it the terminals just had MB talking to "something" we didn't know for a fact that it was the gravemind until halo evolutions when he outright said it


The initials for what he speaks too are "LF" which are the first two letters in the Forerunner classification of the Flood Super Cell. The FR had no other name for the Mind other then that, so it appeared as such on their records.

  • 07.05.2011 4:58 PM PDT

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Posted by: grey101
Now that i think about it the terminals just had MB talking to "something" we didn't know for a fact that it was the gravemind until halo evolutions when he outright said it


In Human Weakness where Gravemind tells Cortana he spared Bias as he defected?

  • 07.05.2011 4:58 PM PDT

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Posted by: ajw34307

Posted by: jckinter06

A Gravemind starts out as a Proto-Gravemind -- a Flood form created by merging the bodies and biomass of numerous sentient life forms


Insufficient documentation of a Proto-Gravemind ever becoming a Gravemind. Each time one has been attempted, it was destroyed.

What I'm thinking is that the prisoner gives himself up to the flood resulting in the flood accessing alot of precursor knowledge.
And I think what he means is that MB never talked to the prisoner as he was locked up in a Time Dilation lock which just a guess here --please correct me-- the prisoner is in a alternate dimension trapped in time similar to the S-III gamma squad trapped in the forerunner slipspace field pods


Bias frees the Prisoner by firing the Halo Ring at Charum Hakkor and destroying the Precursor technology holding him. From there, the Prisoner would most logically stowed away on MB's Installation (which just happened to be Installation 05, the same Ring Gravemind is discovered on).

The Prisoner was not in a Micro Dyson Sphere.


mkays Im pretty sure that when it says proto-gravemind that means the prototype of a gravemind meaning the stage before a the flood forms a gravemind.

and yea I agree with you that Bias frees the prisoner and all that storing him and things like that however.....
My theory is that since the prisoner was locked in some time dilation field then he would be trapped in time unable to communicate as logically he is not there. Only his mere image is there. When the Didact and others briefly unlock the cage or whatever then he "awakens from his sleep" and such. Thats simply my theory though.
MB then takes him and the flood infect him creating a proto-gravemind similar to Keyes in Halo 1 and then he becomes the badass gravemind.

[Edited on 07.05.2011 5:16 PM PDT]

  • 07.05.2011 5:13 PM PDT

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I completely forgot to point out that the Prisoner is known as "the Timeless One", and Gravemind refers to himself as a "timeless chorus". Also stating to have listened "through rock and metal and time", which would make sense that he was in the Precursor prison and listened to the humans and Forerunners.

  • 07.05.2011 5:22 PM PDT

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oh....didn't knw that.
yea well u could also consider he was originally the timeless one (before he was infected by the flood) then as he himself consumed the others as the gravemind he would technically be multiple people similar to a chorus. yea i dnt know if im making sense though.

yea with the rock and metal and time did gravemind say that or the prisoner? just want to make sure

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Posted by: grey101
Greg implied on his board that the prisoner might be lying about everything.

The only reason he knows about the flood is because the humans asked him about it.

Which is what I said a while back in a different thread. I believe the Prisoner is lying through his teeth and using Humanity's and Forerunners' fears to manipulate them both.

Second Unrelated Theory: The Prisoner is called the Timeless One. The Gravemind is a Timeless Chorus. Multiple Timeless beings = Chorus of Timeless beings. What if there are more of the Prisoner's specie?

[Edited on 07.05.2011 5:34 PM PDT]

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: Xd00999

Posted by: grey101
Greg implied on his board that the prisoner might be lying about everything.

The only reason he knows about the flood is because the humans asked him about it.

Which is what I said a while back in a different thread. I believe the Prisoner is lying through his teeth and using Humanity's and Forerunners' fears to manipulate them both.


what i am shocked that nobody point it out is that the prisoner only spoke in digon which he had to learn from ancient forerunners. which meant they should have already knew/ controlled that planet

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Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Xd00999

Posted by: grey101
Greg implied on his board that the prisoner might be lying about everything.

The only reason he knows about the flood is because the humans asked him about it.

Which is what I said a while back in a different thread. I believe the Prisoner is lying through his teeth and using Humanity's and Forerunners' fears to manipulate them both.


what i am shocked that nobody point it out is that the prisoner only spoke in digon which he had to learn from ancient forerunners. which meant they should have already knew/ controlled that planet

Maybe ancient Forerunners controlled that planet and the Prisoner was a POW of the war? What if The Precursors could have reclaimed the planet or drove the Forerunners off and left the planet to be claimed by humanity?

  • 07.05.2011 5:37 PM PDT

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Xd00999

Posted by: grey101
Greg implied on his board that the prisoner might be lying about everything.

The only reason he knows about the flood is because the humans asked him about it.

Which is what I said a while back in a different thread. I believe the Prisoner is lying through his teeth and using Humanity's and Forerunners' fears to manipulate them both.


what i am shocked that nobody point it out is that the prisoner only spoke in digon which he had to learn from ancient forerunners. which meant they should have already knew/ controlled that planet


or he could have learned it from the Precursor-Forerunner war if he isn't lying.
anyone have any idea how old the language is, all i know is that its ancient so I'm not sure.

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Nevermind.

EDIT: I was going to talk about how old Digon was, but there was no definitive answer.

[Edited on 07.05.2011 6:32 PM PDT]

  • 07.05.2011 6:11 PM PDT

no, i believe Digon is the language of the precursors because bornstellars said "it had to have learned from our far distant ancestors" and the prisoner himself confirmed that they created the forerunners. You could be right though, seeing as how greg implied that he was lying...btw can i get a link to where you got that from?

  • 07.05.2011 6:46 PM PDT