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Subject: The oddity that is Reach...

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Posted by: ninjakenzen

The thing with Reach is that it seems more deliberate. The Keyship on Janjur Qom may have simply been taken over by the San'Shyuum when the Forerunners quarantined them. Perhaps they stole it when the Confirmer started slacking his duties and hid it? Or maybe it was simply a ship left unaccounted for?

  • 07.06.2011 2:02 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

We do not know the nature of the relics littering Sangheilios or Janjur Qom. For all we know they may be the Forerunner equivalent of sewage processing facilities.

But we do know the nature of the relics that seem to litter Reach and the worlds near to Earth, and they seem very important in particular. The name of Babd Catha [sp?] and the similarities of the Forerunner crystal under Menachite to the Master Builder's core make them seem so.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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This wouldn't add up unless ancient forerunners did all of this which i doubt.

Despite humanity moving out of the sol system i doubt the forerunners moved in and controlled everything; we know they didn't touch earth or anything else in the system until the halo array.

Reach isn't that far from earth so i apply the same to it. unless didact moved the planet from somewhere else

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Posted by: goldhawk
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Posted by: anton1792
Edit: I am way too slow at posting. ^

Ninja'd!

I find it stupid that we can't reach Uranus (teehee). It's not out of reach of our slipspace drives, at the very least a science team could make a pitstop at Uranus (teehee)on their way back to Earth just for a quick check on it.

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Posted by: grey101
This wouldn't add up unless ancient forerunners did all of this which i doubt.

Despite humanity moving out of the sol system i doubt the forerunners moved in and controlled everything; we know they didn't touch earth or anything else in the system until the halo array.

Reach isn't that far from earth so i apply the same to it. unless didact moved the planet from somewhere else

Didn't Bornstellar's swap father live on a nearby planet? A planet close enough to be viewed with unaided eyes?

  • 07.06.2011 2:17 PM PDT
Subject: Reach - artificially engineered by the Forerunners for humanity.

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Posted by: ninjakenzen

The thing with Reach is that it seems more deliberate.

Do keep in mind, that the Covenant had better technology than the Humans when they met.

This technology was all "imitated" from the Forerunners, so if anything the mere fact that the covenant reached that level faster then the humans shows that Reach is not as deliberate to the Humans as you may think.

The human's Shaw-Fujikawa engine was entirely innovative. No forerunner interference. So they had not followed down this so called "path" just yet.

If Reach was such a deliberate attempt then why wasn't it made clearer to the humans. Anyone could have gotten to Reach. You can argue only the "reclaimers" can use forerunner material effectively. But that goes with everything forerunner. Not just Reach.

I don't see what this special emphasis on Reach is for.

In fact, I find that the Covenants ability to take forerunner material and use it against the very people it was purpose for, much more convincing that the forerunners plan had not been deliberate enough.

If it was so deliberate, then why aren't the Humans able to harness it, was it due to the co-incidental "Fall of Reach" that this was interrupted too early in?

Because I'm pretty sure that the Covenant, The Prophet in particular, had glassed hundreds if not thousands of planets similar to Reach. Even those with forerunner relics that the Covenant took advantage of.

Simple question.

What makes Reach an oddity compared to the other planets?
That share other forerunner relics
^The only exception to this is that it's found by Humans.
But then again, so was Harvest, So was Onyx. Etc

How is Reach deliberate for Humanity?
Besides location and in-house atmosphere
In fact, I find Onyx to be more "deliberate" as it houses Sentinels that initially served to protect "The Reclaimers" by identifying humans specifically.

I'm not saying your interpretation is wrong, I just don't agree with it.

[Edited on 07.06.2011 3:29 PM PDT]

  • 07.06.2011 2:31 PM PDT

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Posted by: grey101
I can honestly say that the portal on the ark was probably made for transportation reasons, whatever revelation didact and is wife came to was far later.

Even for transportation purposes, you're missing out on the bigger picture.

For Earth's Portal:

Humans had the key to every Halo in their own backyard and it was entrusted to them by the Forerunners specifically.

Besides the whole transportation to the edge of the universe part. By doing so, this meant they gave them galactic responsibility directly as they knew Humanity would be evolved in Earth. I can't think of anything more deliberate than this.

I would argue that this is a tad bit more important than the Covenant artifact found on Reach.

[Edited on 07.06.2011 3:23 PM PDT]

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: ninjakenzen
Posted by: grey101
I can honestly say that the portal on the ark was probably made for transportation reasons, whatever revelation didact and is wife came to was far later.

Even for transportation purposes, you're missing out on the bigger picture.

For Earth's Portal:

Humans had the key to every Halo in their own backyard and it was entrusted to them by the Forerunners specifically.

Besides the whole transportation to the edge of the universe part. By doing so, this meant they gave them galactic responsibility directly as they knew Humanity would be evolved in Earth. I can't think of anything more deliberate than this.

I would argue that this is a tad bit more important than the Covenant artifact found on Reach.


It wasn't like that though I highly doubt earth is the only place to have a portal seeing how the forerunners used this for travel. There could be dozens of other worlds that have them and we know the forerunners didn't entrust them with "something".
you would be far more correct there was a keyship than a portal seeing how it is the key, humans just ended up having the door.

Everybody forgets that the whole didact entrusting humanity thing doesn't happen until the very very end of the war. So all of the technology before then was not made with the purpose of giving it to humanity.

  • 07.06.2011 3:48 PM PDT

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: ninjakenzen
Posted by: grey101
I can honestly say that the portal on the ark was probably made for transportation reasons, whatever revelation didact and is wife came to was far later.

Even for transportation purposes, you're missing out on the bigger picture.

For Earth's Portal:

Humans had the key to every Halo in their own backyard and it was entrusted to them by the Forerunners specifically.

Besides the whole transportation to the edge of the universe part. By doing so, this meant they gave them galactic responsibility directly as they knew Humanity would be evolved in Earth. I can't think of anything more deliberate than this.

I would argue that this is a tad bit more important than the Covenant artifact found on Reach.


It wasn't like that though I highly doubt earth is the only place to have a portal seeing how the forerunners used this for travel. There could be dozens of other worlds that have them and we know the forerunners didn't entrust them with "something".
you would be far more correct there was a keyship than a portal seeing how it is the key, humans just ended up having the door.

Everybody forgets that the whole didact entrusting humanity thing doesn't happen until the very very end of the war. So all of the technology before then was not made with the purpose of giving it to humanity.

That's actually a good point. Will give this some thought. However I wouldn't dismiss this claim just yet. Especially in contrast to Reach being a "deliberate guide" for humanity.

Edit-LOL
Everybody forgets that the whole didact entrusting humanity thing doesn't happen until the very very end of the war. So all of the technology before then was not made with the purpose of giving it to humanity.
Gave it some thought. Then that contradicts with every "Reclaimer" having undeniable access to any Forerunner Construct. Unless suddenly right before "the very very end of the War" Didact had contact with every Forerunner object to allow Humans to use it.

Hmm...but that's another point.

Edit 2- LMAO

There could be dozens of other worlds that have them and we know the forerunners didn't entrust them with "something".
If there was dozen of other worlds, why was Earth the main target. Truth knowing that the Elite's/ Humans will interfere, why would he not choose another of these dozens world. Due to them not being found yet? Convenience because his fleet was at Earth? Arrogance?

If they didn't entrust humanity with it, why not put it on a planet where the Human's weren't inhabited in. Say Reach for example.

However, Forerunner relics being on other planets would support your case. But at the same time, these relics were not actual doors to the Forerunners biggest mantle of galactic responsibility.

A lot of things just don't add up with that interpretation.

Edit-3: Sorry I'm slightly obsessed now.

you would be far more correct there was a keyship than a portal seeing how it is the key, humans just ended up having the door.
But had Humans been given the Keyship, their technology would directly followed the Forerunners in a large extent. Which is why I believe the Keyship was purposely placed far away, at a point where if Humanity had reached inter-stellar travel, they could accept and complete this mantle of responsibility.

It just so happened that the Prophets had obtained it, this so far is a mystery /co-incidence that they found it first.

But I don't think the Keyship founder should take away from the concept that the door for "The Ark" was at Earth, when Humans had existed at Earth at the time. At which the forerunners had known about the former.

[Edited on 07.06.2011 4:21 PM PDT]

  • 07.06.2011 3:53 PM PDT
Subject: The oddity that is Reach...


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Posted by: grey101
This wouldn't add up unless ancient forerunners did all of this which i doubt.

Despite humanity moving out of the sol system i doubt the forerunners moved in and controlled everything; we know they didn't touch earth or anything else in the system until the halo array.

Reach isn't that far from earth so i apply the same to it. unless didact moved the planet from somewhere else

Didn't Bornstellar's swap father live on a nearby planet? A planet close enough to be viewed with unaided eyes?


The planet Born's swap father lived on was called Edom by the Forerunners. It was the fourth planet in the Sol system and was red. "Edom" is the same planet as Mars.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: Xd00999

Posted by: grey101
This wouldn't add up unless ancient forerunners did all of this which i doubt.

Despite humanity moving out of the sol system i doubt the forerunners moved in and controlled everything; we know they didn't touch earth or anything else in the system until the halo array.

Reach isn't that far from earth so i apply the same to it. unless didact moved the planet from somewhere else

Didn't Bornstellar's swap father live on a nearby planet? A planet close enough to be viewed with unaided eyes?


The planet Born's swap father lived on was called Edom by the Forerunners. It was the fourth planet in the Sol system and was red. "Edom" is the same planet as Mars.


Which is what i am saying, the forerunnes only recent "controlled" the area due to the de-evolved humans

  • 07.06.2011 6:51 PM PDT
Subject: Reach - artificially engineered by the Forerunners for humanity.

Wow thanks alot for ruining the new Halo Trilogy

  • 07.06.2011 6:53 PM PDT

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I lol'd at the absurd miscommunication that occurs whenever dibbs post something. Perhaps his brain is so highly evolved that he can no longer clearly communicate with lesser life forms, even among his own species.

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Posted by: Xd00999

Posted by: grey101
This wouldn't add up unless ancient forerunners did all of this which i doubt.

Despite humanity moving out of the sol system i doubt the forerunners moved in and controlled everything; we know they didn't touch earth or anything else in the system until the halo array.

Reach isn't that far from earth so i apply the same to it. unless didact moved the planet from somewhere else

Didn't Bornstellar's swap father live on a nearby planet? A planet close enough to be viewed with unaided eyes?


The planet Born's swap father lived on was called Edom by the Forerunners. It was the fourth planet in the Sol system and was red. "Edom" is the same planet as Mars.


Which is what i am saying, the forerunnes only recent "controlled" the area due to the de-evolved humans
The humans had been under Forerunner domination for quite some time (I believe the time between humanity being defeated and the events in Cryptum was 100,000 years).

[Edited on 07.06.2011 6:58 PM PDT]

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: ImpishFountain
Wow thanks alot for ruining the new Halo Trilogy


This is the universe forum, this is what we are suppose to do here talk about the universe. And nothing is ruined unless you think the ending planet is reach in which we laugh at you.

anyways ninjakenzen good counters but you can't say the fact that everything was not made with the intention of giving to humanity. seriously, majority of the technology is "recent" being made within the last 10,000 years.

I saw we just hold off until we have a bit more info. though since humans and forerunners are genetically similar anyway that might be the main reason humans can use it. we haven't had an official source saying that all the tech was repurposed, we just assume that from what we know

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Posted by: goldhawk
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Posted by: grey101

I saw we just hold off until we have a bit more info. though since humans and forerunners are genetically similar anyway that might be the main reason humans can use it. we haven't had an official source saying that all the tech was repurposed, we just assume that from what we know


Since Humans and Forerunners are genetically similar, perhaps normal Humans are similar enough that all Didact needed to do was widen the parameters of the tech to accept Humans? Perhaps the tech was reprogrammed to believe that the genetically similar specie was close enough to Forerunner standards to allow access? This is all working off the assumption that access to Forerunner tech is at least partly based off of genetics.

  • 07.06.2011 8:02 PM PDT

The Forerunner, the Great Journey, and Heaven Theory

[Announcement Trailer] Halo: Forerunner

Posted by: Agustus
I lol'd at the absurd miscommunication that occurs whenever dibbs post something. Perhaps his brain is so highly evolved that he can no longer clearly communicate with lesser life forms, even among his own species.

Posted by: Xd00999

Posted by: grey101

I saw we just hold off until we have a bit more info. though since humans and forerunners are genetically similar anyway that might be the main reason humans can use it. we haven't had an official source saying that all the tech was repurposed, we just assume that from what we know


Since Humans and Forerunners are genetically similar, perhaps normal Humans are similar enough that all Didact needed to do was widen the parameters of the tech to accept Humans? Perhaps the tech was reprogrammed to believe that the genetically similar specie was close enough to Forerunner standards to allow access? This is all working off the assumption that access to Forerunner tech is at least partly based off of genetics.
I still support the idea the human DNA was altered while we were being stored for reseeding (so that Forerunner technology could recognize and accept us).

  • 07.06.2011 10:22 PM PDT


Posted by: Xd00999

Posted by: grey101

I saw we just hold off until we have a bit more info. though since humans and forerunners are genetically similar anyway that might be the main reason humans can use it. we haven't had an official source saying that all the tech was repurposed, we just assume that from what we know


Since Humans and Forerunners are genetically similar, perhaps normal Humans are similar enough that all Didact needed to do was widen the parameters of the tech to accept Humans? Perhaps the tech was reprogrammed to believe that the genetically similar specie was close enough to Forerunner standards to allow access? This is all working off the assumption that access to Forerunner tech is at least partly based off of genetics.


Could be, Guilty Spark does have the tendency to mistake Chief for a Forerunner, part of that is Rampancy I'm sure, but still. I think it likely that Forerunner databases on machines or whatever were updated to regard Humans as Forerunners or something similar.

  • 07.07.2011 1:23 PM PDT
Subject: The oddity that is Reach...

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Posted by: ajw34307

I agree, lost seems more likely and could be interesting as a future potential plot line. I'd imagine Faber fled after Bias assaulted the Capital and interrupted the tribunal, I'd like to see a plot twist where he performed a mutation on another Forerunner and passed his memories down similar to what the Didact did on Born. It would make sense if he was going to be hunted down, nobody would know who he was if he did that. But I digress.


Reminds me of the inheritance cycle a little.

just sayin'

  • 07.07.2011 3:26 PM PDT
Subject: Reach - artificially engineered by the Forerunners for humanity.

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Posted by: ImpishFountain
Wow thanks alot for ruining the new Halo Trilogy


Cry me a river, nobody forced you to read this.

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