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Subject: Master Cheif or Six


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
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A clear example of this is how the spartans in reach are slower, jump lower, are less strong, and experience recoil. This is why bungie added the bloom.

Sure you aren't confusing gameplay elements for canon?


Seeing especially how Master chief moved very similar in Halo CE.

Guess when he got to Earth he upgraded to being a Spartan II.

Seriously though, people treat it as if Spartan III's are your average kids. This is extremely false. if they could have been normal kids ackerson would've done the 1000 some spartans he wanted for beta company. They are the kids with the S2 genes, then the limits are increased by small amounts until the slots were filled.

  • 07.12.2011 3:31 PM PDT
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my gt is Godzillla....i just didnt link it properly

six has better armor but mc is my guy

  • 07.12.2011 3:43 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
To be fair, the regret fight was... meh.

The honor guards weren't super deadly. It was more of punching regret and running to his teleport.


I was talking more from a canon perspective than that of gameplay. Gameplay wise, yes, it's not much, I can't say how hard it is on Heroic or Legendary, but I know that on Normal I don't have to worry about Regret's Honor Guards and I can just charge in and beat him down.

However in canon it would not have been so easy, Honor Guards are the best soldiers the Elites have, the only ones better than Honor Guards are the Honor Guard Ultras (Lights of Sanghelios), which might as well be the same thing :P

  • 07.12.2011 6:55 PM PDT

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Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
To be fair, the regret fight was... meh.

The honor guards weren't super deadly. It was more of punching regret and running to his teleport.


I was talking more from a canon perspective than that of gameplay. Gameplay wise, yes, it's not much, I can't say how hard it is on Heroic or Legendary, but I know that on Normal I don't have to worry about Regret's Honor Guards and I can just charge in and beat him down.

However in canon it would not have been so easy, Honor Guards are the best soldiers the Elites have, the only ones better than Honor Guards are the Honor Guard Ultras (Lights of Sanghelios), which might as well be the same thing :P


But, what use do they have if they only have an Energy Staff/Sword? :|

  • 07.12.2011 6:57 PM PDT


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Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
To be fair, the regret fight was... meh.

The honor guards weren't super deadly. It was more of punching regret and running to his teleport.


I was talking more from a canon perspective than that of gameplay. Gameplay wise, yes, it's not much, I can't say how hard it is on Heroic or Legendary, but I know that on Normal I don't have to worry about Regret's Honor Guards and I can just charge in and beat him down.

However in canon it would not have been so easy, Honor Guards are the best soldiers the Elites have, the only ones better than Honor Guards are the Honor Guard Ultras (Lights of Sanghelios), which might as well be the same thing :P


But, what use do they have if they only have an Energy Staff/Sword? :|


I believe the staff is more for ceremonial purposes, such as when they're standing guard at High Charity or the like. And I've seen them using Plasma Rifles, so it's not just swords for them *shrug*. Frankly I'm more impressed with the killing of Honor Guardsmen than a Field Marshal or team of Zealots.

And that's not really because I'm a Chief fangirl either.

[Edited on 07.12.2011 7:53 PM PDT]

  • 07.12.2011 7:53 PM PDT
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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
I literally hope 343 shows master chief having trouble in halo 4. I hope he nearly gets the -blam!- beat out of him, or actually does. Maybe not dies, but literally and undeniably gets his ass handed to him and shows these blind fanboys(Note, not calling you one, I am referring to the really bad ones I've seen) that chief is not what they view him as.
This beings up an interesting, off-topic point: the easiest way to develop a character, in my opinion, is to beat the crap out of them. In Crysis 2, you are stuck in the suit (partly) to prevent your internal organs from collapsing. Therefore, after every major "boss fight" in the game, you find yourself on the ground, with your screen fading, having to activate your own defibrillators.
You effectively get so beat up, that you die 3 or 4 times throughout the game, and by the end of it, you end up sympathising for Alcatraz. You see just how far he's gone to complete his mission, he has literally gone over the brink and come back, several times. Every time he goes down (the first run through, anyway), you keep thinking that that would be his death, but he gets up and you damn near rejoice.

If Chief were to get beat up, not only would it destroy Master Chief fanboyism, but it would expose him as the human he is under the armour.

To keep it on topic:
My thoughts are that while Six is the more interesting character, Chief is still superior in combat, simply because he has more active combat experience. He has been a Spartan since 2517, whereas Six would have become a Spartan about 15 years later.
Chief has been a Spartan basically since around the time Six was born. The way I see it is that Chief would have more combat experience, and despite Six and Chief being pretty much equal in an unarmoured fistfight, out on the battlefield Chief would simply cream Six due to a longer exposure to military tactics. Six's Lone Wolf tendencies would also let him down, as he knows less about how other Spartans move about the battlefield from not being around them. John as a team leader for most of his career, would know exactly how Spartans operate.

  • 07.12.2011 8:40 PM PDT


Posted by: OrderedComa

The rank of "Zealot" is composed of several other subranks, like for instance Thel was a Fleet Master, yet he was still a Zealot as evidenced by his gold armor during his trial. Field Marshals are, I believe, yet another subset in the Zealot ranking structure. All the Zealot wore gold armor in CE, there's no telling for certain what specific subrank they belong to (except in cases where it was stated in a novel or other media piece) because they all look exactly the same.


But they don't look exactly the same, that's what I'm saying. You can clearly tell in the first level, or even in the armory menu, that Field Marshalls wear different armor from Zealot-class, so why would they be considered Zealots too?

  • 07.13.2011 12:29 AM PDT
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Posted by: ThePredkiller2
But they don't look exactly the same, that's what I'm saying. You can clearly tell in the first level, or even in the armory menu, that Field Marshalls wear different armor from Zealot-class, so why would they be considered Zealots too?
They wear very similar armour, at least. The helmet has 'eyebrows', and the shoulder pieces are a little different, but overall, they still look like Zealots.

Elite ranks have always been categorised by colour. Reach Zealots are purple. So are Field Marshalls. They wear similar armour.
I don't think it's too much of a logic jump to figure that they are at least 'related'.

  • 07.13.2011 4:07 AM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

Not sure if this has been posted here already...But even Microsoft agrees that Chief is the best.

  • 07.13.2011 4:53 AM PDT


Posted by: privet caboose
Not sure if this has been posted here already...But even Microsoft agrees that Chief is the best.


It hasn't, and I honestly take that article/paragraph linked as "We don't want to even attempt to bring in new characters and heroes, instead we'll just milk chief and potentially make it worse then branching out."

  • 07.13.2011 5:05 AM PDT


Posted by: privet caboose
Not sure if this has been posted here already...But even Microsoft agrees that Chief is the best.


Micro-blam!- can suck it, because Six is my (your) SPARTAN, and thus, he is as good as I want him to be. This is going by Bungie's word, and I take Bungie's word over Micro-blam!-'s any day, because THEY created the Halo series, NOT MICROSOFT.

  • 07.13.2011 5:09 AM PDT


Posted by: ThePredkiller2

Posted by: privet caboose
Not sure if this has been posted here already...But even Microsoft agrees that Chief is the best.


Micro-blam!- can suck it, because Six is my (your) SPARTAN, and thus, he is as good as I want him to be. This is going by Bungie's word, and I take Bungie's word over Micro-blam!-'s any day, because THEY created the Halo series, NOT MICROSOFT.


With the way you are acting now, you´re just making yourself look like a ass. You ignore multiple facts stated, and just go by opinion. This isn´t about opinion.

  • 07.13.2011 6:21 AM PDT
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Six. Did more with less, so in my book that makes him/her better.

  • 07.13.2011 6:58 AM PDT


Posted by: StefOwnzzz

Posted by: ThePredkiller2

Posted by: privet caboose
Not sure if this has been posted here already...But even Microsoft agrees that Chief is the best.


Micro-blam!- can suck it, because Six is my (your) SPARTAN, and thus, he is as good as I want him to be. This is going by Bungie's word, and I take Bungie's word over Micro-blam!-'s any day, because THEY created the Halo series, NOT MICROSOFT.


With the way you are acting now, you´re just making yourself look like a ass. You ignore multiple facts stated, and just go by opinion. This isn´t about opinion.


I'm acting in my own right as a sovereign human being, get over it.

  • 07.13.2011 6:58 AM PDT


Posted by: ThePredkiller2

Posted by: OrderedComa

The rank of "Zealot" is composed of several other subranks, like for instance Thel was a Fleet Master, yet he was still a Zealot as evidenced by his gold armor during his trial. Field Marshals are, I believe, yet another subset in the Zealot ranking structure. All the Zealot wore gold armor in CE, there's no telling for certain what specific subrank they belong to (except in cases where it was stated in a novel or other media piece) because they all look exactly the same.


But they don't look exactly the same, that's what I'm saying. You can clearly tell in the first level, or even in the armory menu, that Field Marshalls wear different armor from Zealot-class, so why would they be considered Zealots too?


The differences are very slight, and really quite subtle, like what a commander would have to differentiate himself from his men. Like for instance in Star Wars, the majority of the Clone Commanders wear pretty much the exact same armor and equipment as their troops, but there are subtle differences that set them apart from their troops. The Field Marshal armor is pretty much exactly the same as that of the Zealots in Reach, the only differences that I noticed are the horns coming off the helmet and the shoulder guards are a little different. They're similar enough that I didn't notice the Elite using the Fuel Rod Canon on the last level was a Field Marshal until someone pointed it out to me.

Why should the Field Marshal be considered a separate rank from the Zealots when he looks almost exactly alike? And, aside from Councilor, Zealot is the highest class an Elite can attain, and as I said earlier, there are at least three ranks within the Zealot class, possibly more. Is there any real evidence to suggest that Field Marshals aren't Zealots?

  • 07.13.2011 8:27 AM PDT


Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: ThePredkiller2

Posted by: OrderedComa

The rank of "Zealot" is composed of several other subranks, like for instance Thel was a Fleet Master, yet he was still a Zealot as evidenced by his gold armor during his trial. Field Marshals are, I believe, yet another subset in the Zealot ranking structure. All the Zealot wore gold armor in CE, there's no telling for certain what specific subrank they belong to (except in cases where it was stated in a novel or other media piece) because they all look exactly the same.


But they don't look exactly the same, that's what I'm saying. You can clearly tell in the first level, or even in the armory menu, that Field Marshalls wear different armor from Zealot-class, so why would they be considered Zealots too?


The differences are very slight, and really quite subtle, like what a commander would have to differentiate himself from his men. Like for instance in Star Wars, the majority of the Clone Commanders wear pretty much the exact same armor and equipment as their troops, but there are subtle differences that set them apart from their troops. The Field Marshal armor is pretty much exactly the same as that of the Zealots in Reach, the only differences that I noticed are the horns coming off the helmet and the shoulder guards are a little different. They're similar enough that I didn't notice the Elite using the Fuel Rod Canon on the last level was a Field Marshal until someone pointed it out to me.

Why should the Field Marshal be considered a separate rank from the Zealots when he looks almost exactly alike? And, aside from Councilor, Zealot is the highest class an Elite can attain, and as I said earlier, there are at least three ranks within the Zealot class, possibly more. Is there any real evidence to suggest that Field Marshals aren't Zealots?


I still think a Field Marshall or a Zealot is much more threatening and dangerous than an Honor Guard or say a Prophet, who is feeble and relies off of a hover wheelchair due to his feebleness.

  • 07.13.2011 8:41 AM PDT


Posted by: ThePredkiller2

Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: ThePredkiller2

Posted by: OrderedComa

The rank of "Zealot" is composed of several other subranks, like for instance Thel was a Fleet Master, yet he was still a Zealot as evidenced by his gold armor during his trial. Field Marshals are, I believe, yet another subset in the Zealot ranking structure. All the Zealot wore gold armor in CE, there's no telling for certain what specific subrank they belong to (except in cases where it was stated in a novel or other media piece) because they all look exactly the same.


But they don't look exactly the same, that's what I'm saying. You can clearly tell in the first level, or even in the armory menu, that Field Marshalls wear different armor from Zealot-class, so why would they be considered Zealots too?


The differences are very slight, and really quite subtle, like what a commander would have to differentiate himself from his men. Like for instance in Star Wars, the majority of the Clone Commanders wear pretty much the exact same armor and equipment as their troops, but there are subtle differences that set them apart from their troops. The Field Marshal armor is pretty much exactly the same as that of the Zealots in Reach, the only differences that I noticed are the horns coming off the helmet and the shoulder guards are a little different. They're similar enough that I didn't notice the Elite using the Fuel Rod Canon on the last level was a Field Marshal until someone pointed it out to me.

Why should the Field Marshal be considered a separate rank from the Zealots when he looks almost exactly alike? And, aside from Councilor, Zealot is the highest class an Elite can attain, and as I said earlier, there are at least three ranks within the Zealot class, possibly more. Is there any real evidence to suggest that Field Marshals aren't Zealots?


I still think a Field Marshall or a Zealot is much more threatening and dangerous than an Honor Guard or say a Prophet, who is feeble and relies off of a hover wheelchair due to his feebleness.


Well definitely a Prophet :P I could murder one of them in my sleep without even getting out of bed...as long as they're guards are already gone of course.

*shrug* I'd feel more apprehensive about fighting through Honor Guards than Zealots. I mean Honor Guards are practically the best soldiers the Elites have, that's the whole reason why they end up as the Prophet's guards in the first place.

  • 07.13.2011 11:37 AM PDT

Impossible isn't a fact its an opinion

There is no comparison between the two.. 117

  • 07.13.2011 12:27 PM PDT