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Subject: Bungie Day Was a Disappointment

Posted by: Nerd Boi
Posted by: DAMNU
Apparently your reading comprehension is not all there, I didn't say that it necessarily irritates me. It's just annoying.

*Head explodes*


Posted by: Placid Platypus
Posted by: swashbuckler95 and many like him

Well, gee, sorry Bungie decided to do something nice for its community. Sorry they gave you free things to hopefully make playing their game more enjoyable. And hell, sorry that they apparently care (for some god-damned reason) about their overly needy, immature, and spoiled community enough to actually participate in it.

Does your sense of entitlement know no bounds? Honestly people, all the -blam!- whining that has gone on in the past week is revolting. Grow up or move on.
I laugh at your type. You get all butthurt because someone didn't fear posting his honest opinion about you're favorite company.

Bungie gave hardly anything non-Halo related of worth out to the majority of fans. Who gives a rat's ass? I do. Does that mean everyone must be automatically thankful for what few items they did give out to the lucky? No. Just because society says I have to accept it, no questions asked doesn't mean I must put on a false bravado and say I like it when I really don't. Fake people make me sick.

[Edited on 07.07.2011 11:31 PM PDT]

  • 07.07.2011 11:27 PM PDT

Posted by: Big Black Bear
What are we supposed to be discussing here?


"Nothing in the 'Verse can stop me."

Posted by: swashbuckler95
Hypocritical, don't you think? You're complaining about my complaining.

What made you think I didn't have fun today either? I had fun with other things besides Halo. At the end of the day (more like 1 am), I just layed down and thought how Bungie's final departure with their franchise was rushed and disappointing.

Actually, that's irony.

Also, I don't see how anything here was rushed or disappointing. All your things listed in your OP are merely opinions that users clearly have a different stance on. A lot of people enjoyed that they had the chance to bid on an auction and I'm sure some people will be very happy when they won their items.

Bungie is going out with a bang in the best way they can, they dedicated 24 hours to playing with their fans (500+ people so far), they released two nameplates and an armour effect, they've been selling online and irl swag, they told us about Aerospace, and they have a 30 minute ViDoc waiting to be released early August.

These are all things they didn't have to do. These are things they chose to do to show that they appreciate their fans. Just because you didn't get your time's worth of stuff out of this is irrelevant considering it's all a gift anyway.

Whether you like the gift or not is a non-issue considering you got a gift in the first place. It's like when people say "it's the thought that counts", that's really what this whole thing is about.

These people have spent 20 years making games and 10 years making the Halo series. They have poured countless hours of effort into pleasing us and giving us games. Every year they dedicate a whole day to us, their fans, to show how much we mean to them. It seems kind of mean spirited to tell them that their efforts are disappointing and bad when they didn't have to do a damned thing for us.

If you can't see this through all of the disappointment that you have seemed to endure today due to Bungie then I don't think you should bother caring at all in the first place.

[Edited on 07.07.2011 11:33 PM PDT]

  • 07.07.2011 11:29 PM PDT

cars, girls & cake all day everyday

Posted by: ChaosZero59

Posted by: Count Blinkula
Posted by: Count Blinkula
Posted by: swashbuckler95

Posted by: Count Blinkula
So what makes the '08 dashboard and theme pics worth more than the blue flames?
To me, if I still use something 3 years after its release compared to the use of something for one day, that makes the former item worth more than the latter.

But the blue flames are yours forever...

So what you're saying, OP, is that you simply liked the blue flames less than the dashboard?


Let me put it to you this way:

Blue flames = Halo Reach
When halo reach is gone (which will be relatively soon) the flames go with it. Let's be honest though, who really wanted them in the first place?

BDay Dashboard Theme = Xbox Dashboard = every game
This will never lose it's value and is linked to Bungie itself.

I mean honestly, since when is bungie day halo day?

I'm not here to complain at all, I just don't think you get it.

So this means the OP values usefulness over meaning in gifts...?
Just trying to figure this out, here, since both items can have meaning to them. One meaningful item you'll use more than the other meaningful item, and so therefore has more meaning?

[Edited on 07.07.2011 11:33 PM PDT]

  • 07.07.2011 11:31 PM PDT

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Posted by: swashbuckler95
I laugh at your type.


And I pity yours.

You get all butthurt because someone didn't fear posting his honest opinion about you're favorite company.

Honest opinion? No, you are whining and complaining about even the small bit of niceness Bungie decided to show its community. You're not being courageous by complaining; you're being an ass. Bungie didn't have to do anything, but they wanted to. And yet, you feel the need to criticize it? If anyone is fake it is you, and people like you, whose sense of entitlement is so overwhelming they'd even complain about someone simply telling them "thanks".

Go ahead and think you know me. Besmirch me and say I'm fake or simply being a fan-boy. I know it's not true. I'm not the one whining about the kindness of people who owe me nothing.

[Edited on 07.07.2011 11:39 PM PDT]

  • 07.07.2011 11:36 PM PDT

Posted by: Big Black Bear
What are we supposed to be discussing here?


"Nothing in the 'Verse can stop me."

Posted by: Placid Platypus
I'm not the one whining about the kindness of people who owe me nothing.

This sums the thread up very well.

  • 07.07.2011 11:38 PM PDT

Posted by: Great_Pretender
Case and point: don't worry about it. Girls start getting boobies pretty soon, and then you'll have plenty of other things to think about. Being an Inheritor is not a life goal.
-TGP-

Okay let me tell you this. Bungie day wasn't about YOU, it was about the Community as a whole.

I for one thought that it was pretty special that they gave out their own special Halo exclusives for us to keep forever.

  • 07.07.2011 11:43 PM PDT

Posted by: Nerd Boi
Posted by: DAMNU
Apparently your reading comprehension is not all there, I didn't say that it necessarily irritates me. It's just annoying.

*Head explodes*


Posted by: Clone Outcast
Posted by: swashbuckler95
Hypocritical, don't you think? You're complaining about my complaining.

What made you think I didn't have fun today either? I had fun with other things besides Halo. At the end of the day (more like 1 am), I just layed down and thought how Bungie's final departure with their franchise was rushed and disappointing.

Actually, that's irony.

Also, I don't see how anything here was rushed or disappointing. All your things listed in your OP are merely opinions that users clearly have a different stance on. A lot of people enjoyed that they had the chance to bid on an auction and I'm sure some people will be very happy when they won their items.

Bungie is going out with a bang in the best way they can, they dedicated 24 hours to playing with their fans (500+ people so far), they released two nameplates and an armour effect, they've been selling online and irl swag, they told us about Aerospace, and they have a 30 minute ViDoc waiting to be released early August.

These are all things they didn't have to do. These are things they chose to do to show that they appreciate their fans. Just because you didn't get your time's worth of stuff out of this is irrelevant considering it's all a gift anyway.

Whether you like the gift or not is a non-issue considering you got a gift in the first place. It's like when people say "it's the thought that counts", that's really what this whole thing is about.

These people have spent 20 years making games and 10 years making the Halo series. They have poured countless hours of effort into pleasing us and giving us games. Every year they dedicate a whole day to us, their fans, to show how much we mean to them. It seems kind of mean spirited to tell them that their efforts are disappointing and bad when they didn't have to do a damned thing for us.

If you can't see this through all of the disappointment that you have seemed to endure today due to Bungie then I don't think you should bother caring at all in the first place.
Finally. Someone who understood what I hsd said AND makes a quality post about it. You made me smile even though you disagreed.

Sure it may be a gift but only to those lucky ones. It's kind of like being in a class in elementary, and the popular kid goes around and hands out birthday party invites to a few and hands out candy to everyone else. Yes, the other kids got candy but they will naturally feel disappointment because they weren't invited/given something of value.

Put that in the big picture. My analogy isn't the best though, but it's the best I can think of at this time.

  • 07.07.2011 11:43 PM PDT

Posted by: prometheus25
I could have eaten a box of Alphabits and crapped out more logical proof than that...

Certain things could have been better. Sure, it would have been great if Bungie had released a free map or free theme like they had done in the past. I can't fault them for not doing it, however. It is well known that Microsoft does not like to give out free DLC, especially for a game like Halo, which is a huge cash cow. I have seen many complaints that there was absolutely no chance to win a steak today, and what a waste it was to even have such a contest. I know someone who was able to play against Bungie and win a steak. Am I jealous? You bet! Does that make me angry for playing in the Bungie Day and not playing against Bungie. Of course not. I was still playing a game that I love, having fun while I did so, with the bonus of possibly being able to win some steak. I knew the odds were against me before I went in, just like when I tried to win Recon on Bungie Day a few years ago. Complaining about not winning some steak is like complaining that you didn't win the lottery. Some people won, more lost. That how life goes.

As for the blue flames and Bungie nameplate being given to the entire community, why does there need to be a value placed upon them? Some people like the way they look. Great! Why can't they were them? It's an effect in a video game. I guess I just don't understand not liking something because a large group also likes it. They are an intangible item; they weren't worth anything thing before today, and they won't be worth anything after today.

The entire swag bag fiasco really put a damper things. Bungie announced that they would be selling these bags, and that there would be a very small number available. Just like any other situation where there are a large number of people trying to snag a small number of items, there are going to more people who miss out than the number that actually get something. And just like any similar situation, there were people buying multiples to cash in later. Should there have been a limit on people only being able to buy one. Probably. Would it have been nice had there been more for sale? Yes. It sucks that people spent so much time trying to get a swag bag and ultimately came up short. The fact that Bungie's store crashed and the bags popped up from a different seller should ideally not have happened. However, many fans were able to get a bag, and Bungie was able to raise a lot of money for charity. And as for the avatar shirts, one again, the money is going to charity.

Aerospace is definitely not what I was expecting. Am I disappointed? Maybe a little. The problem was that people, including me, jumped to conclusions on what it would be. No matter what it was, it would not have been able to live up to many people's expectations. It's an interesting new path for Bungie, and I'm curious to see where they take it.

Bungie was supposed to release a vidoc today, and it's disappointing that it got delayed. However, I believe Bungie when they said that they needed to delay to ensure that it was as good as it could be. I'm looking forward to watching it on 8/2.

The reason that I felt compelled to respond to your post is that I have been reading complaints on the forums and listening to them in Reach all day. While I agree with some of them, most just seem to be whining. Yes, of course you are allowed to have your own opinions on Bungie Day '11. There just seems to be an awful lot of entitlement going around. At the end of the day, you had a chance to win some steak, you got some extra flair for Reach, you had a chance to support charity, and you'll get a vidoc, even though it's late. Not too bad of a Bungie Day in my books.



[Edited on 07.07.2011 11:46 PM PDT]

  • 07.07.2011 11:45 PM PDT


Posted by: Count Blinkula
So this means the OP values usefulness over meaning in gifts...?
Just trying to figure this out, here, since both items can have meaning to them. One meaningful item you'll use more than the other meaningful item, and so therefore has more meaning?


Let me put it this way, as a child you could have two gifts:

1) Your favorite candy
or
2) A new toy you never even knew existed

With the candy, you'll be instantly satisfied, but the feeling only lasts a certain amount of time. Sure it has "value" but not lasting value or "true value".

With the toy you'll be surprised, as it will be something you can't expect and it's value would always remain the same. This gift will be with you forever and you can always look back and remember the first time you saw it.

In the end the candy lacks "true value", while the value of the toy is priceless. You would be wise to just accept the facts.

  • 07.07.2011 11:46 PM PDT

Posted by: Big Black Bear
What are we supposed to be discussing here?


"Nothing in the 'Verse can stop me."

Posted by: swashbuckler95
Sure it may be a gift but only to those lucky ones. It's kind of like being in a class in elementary, and the popular kid goes around and hands out birthday party invites to a few and hands out candy to everyone else. Yes, the other kids got candy but they will naturally feel disappointment because they weren't invited/given something of value.

Put that in the big picture. My analogy isn't the best though, but it's the best I can think of at this time.

I get it plain and clear. The big picture aspect of it is that kid didn't need to hand out candy or hand out invites publicly, he chose to.

I can understand being indifferent to Bungie Day but being upset because you weren't able to/didn't want to/lacked the funds to participate in the large scale gifts and auctions is a little narrow-minded.

It's not like Bungie randomly dropped auctions with no notice so that only those who are rich and have credit cards could participate, they gave a fair warning saying that they were releasing 20th Anniversary stuff.

The rest of use who didn't get anything from it still got a free chance to be one of the people to play against Bungie and possibly win a steak from it. Even if we didn't get that we'd still get the nameplates and effects.

All this is is the guy on the bottom rung of the latter not liking that others are higher up. I understand the disappointment but it's completely misplaced. You can not like all that didn't happen but you should reconsider and be glad for all that did happen that didn't need to.

This could have just been July 7th but instead is was made into something special. And that's whether you like it or not.

[Edited on 07.07.2011 11:54 PM PDT]

  • 07.07.2011 11:53 PM PDT

Of course you are disappointed. Why would anybody be happy with anything?

I got a message for you. If small things like this disappointed you then you are gonna be in for a rude awakening in life.

  • 07.08.2011 12:14 AM PDT


Posted by: Reptilian Rob
Yes, because selling $2000 concepts on Ebay, and giving your true fans, the ones who have been keeping this company afloat for so long, despite the influx of HORRID looking and playing games nothing but blue flames for an in game character modle was a huge success.

Kiss my ass, I'll be at Bioware and Visceral if you need me. Idiots.
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  • 07.08.2011 12:15 AM PDT
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Your a disappointment to Bungie and Halo

  • 07.08.2011 12:17 AM PDT

this day made me think of killing myself i played all day and never played them shows how big they are scared..but they did a good job on halo..hop halo 4 is good so any one play them?

  • 07.08.2011 12:17 AM PDT

I blame myself, not Stosh.

This is a good thread. I support OP. Bungie Day was horrible.

  • 07.08.2011 12:19 AM PDT
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Whoo.


Posted by: Reptilian Rob
Yes, because selling $2000 concepts on Ebay, and giving your true fans, the ones who have been keeping this company afloat for so long, despite the influx of HORRID looking and playing games nothing but blue flames for an in game character modle was a huge success.

Kiss my ass, I'll be at Bioware and Visceral if you need me. Idiots.

I didn't know you was that much against charity ...

  • 07.08.2011 12:19 AM PDT

cars, girls & cake all day everyday

Posted by: ChaosZero59

Posted by: Count Blinkula
So this means the OP values usefulness over meaning in gifts...?
Just trying to figure this out, here, since both items can have meaning to them. One meaningful item you'll use more than the other meaningful item, and so therefore has more meaning?


Let me put it this way, as a child you could have two gifts:

1) Your favorite candy
or
2) A new toy you never even knew existed

With the candy, you'll be instantly satisfied, but the feeling only lasts a certain amount of time. Sure it has "value" but not lasting value or "true value".

With the toy you'll be surprised, as it will be something you can't expect and it's value would always remain the same. This gift will be with you forever and you can always look back and remember the first time you saw it.

In the end the candy lacks "true value", while the value of the toy is priceless. You would be wise to just accept the facts.

Now we're playing favorites again...
If the OP can place enough value in something given to him for free, to keep it continuously displayed on his dashboard for 3 years (let's throw in the fact it's largely outdated, so almost all of the photos don't work now) why can he not place at least a moderate value in something given to him, that he can use for at least a year? Just because it's available to everyone else as well?

Sure Reach is widely seen as a disappointment, but is Halo: Reach ever really "gone"?

Why place worth in games over who plays them, still? I still play Halo 3, Halo 2, and Halo 1 PC, and I occasionally thank my lucky lucky timing that I was able to snag all the Halo 2 map packs, for free, before they went offline. You shouldn't say the blue flames are worthless just because everyone has them, or that they're worthless because you won't be using it...it was given to you for a meaningful reason.

[Edited on 07.08.2011 12:44 AM PDT]

  • 07.08.2011 12:42 AM PDT

@swashbuckler95 - Im not trying to start an argument ,but you complain because too many people have blue flames and thus the value is low, but then you mention how the bags o' swag were too limited so not enough people could get them,this seems a bit contradictory to me, however ,that's my opinion , as yours is yours.

  • 07.08.2011 12:50 AM PDT

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  • 07.08.2011 12:54 AM PDT
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I played the Bungie Day playlist for most of the time it was up and I managed to bump in to people several times, this just showed how it was unfair to international players. It would be highly unlikely for them to match up with Bungie. I was also disappointed that there was only one team.

Oh well, it's now over. I did have some fun though even though I didn't fulfill my dream of beating Bungie :(

  • 07.08.2011 12:56 AM PDT

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  • 07.08.2011 1:00 AM PDT

OP speaks the truth. I spent 10+ hours playing today because I not only enjoy halo but a chance to play with the developers that would be awesome. But the chance of actually playing with them was very slim and in those 10+ hours of halo my whole family was enraged at the fact that I played for so long. Me and my parents got into a fight and both of them went to work unhappy. Which ruined my mood for the evening.

Then my friends were planning to go out to see a movie and then bowling. I turned them down just a chance to play with bungie. So after of all of this today instead of getting to play with bungie the creators of one of my favorite gaming franchise what did I get;parents that are disappointed and mad at me, friends who view me less of a friend and more of a zombie, and a huge disappointed feeling that humpday was a big let down.
I love halo and I used to be able to play it for hours back in its prime. But today was a struggle for me, my brain is hurting from the halo, and my heart is aching from the disappointment and sadness.
Best wishes your loyal fan still, Viktor :*(

  • 07.08.2011 1:08 AM PDT

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The main point I wanted to hit was, Bungie was not in a hurry to hand Halo over to M$. It was forced on them. Had the IP remained in their hands we would have seen the same amount of involvement all the way through until the next big thing.

Secondly, I considered your point of view (one that I obviously don't hold). I felt the same way around the time Halo 3 came out. Same after Reach came out. I had astronomically unrealistic expectations brought about by all the hype.

My friends and I put a lot of time in preparing for today. We coalesced as a team, and put the HURT on a lot of people today. We only lost once, and steaked just about 3/4 of them. We missed out on Bungie, but I was expecting that. To have been able to play with them would have put today over the top, but we didn't. And honestly today felt like any other day, except with LAN and BBQ at a friends house. We went and made something of today. It was a celebration of the last 10 years, not about what we were getting out of it.

Sure I would have liked more involvement. Sure I would have liked to feel like the events that transpired were more entwined and personal with Bungie. Sure I would have liked to feel like I was a part of something. But it just felt very hands off and distant. I can't imagine a way to fix it. How could it have been different? I can't blame someone if I can't say that I could have done it better. I had no expectations with Aerospace. I was not disappointed, especially since I know their new IP is yet to come. And the swag bags were a nasty roller coaster, and left a bad taste in my mouth. I really wanted a special scrapbook esque item, to have a piece of Bungie to call my own, but what can you do when a million people are trying buy something of such a limited quantity at the same time and having everything else of that nature going for $1k-$4k in auction? What can you really do when the whole world wants a piece of Bungie?

The only thing I can say would have made a difference to me, would be if they chose to condense everything that was spread out and botched over this whole couple of weeks. They were leading up to something with everything that's been going on. The feeling may have been more complete if they had released the viDoc today in conjunction with their playlist. It being released later is like celebrating your birthday on a different day after the moment has already past. It would have rounded out today, instead of the anti-climactic end of festivities as we tried for the last time to sync our join into matchmaking with that of the Bungie team. It would have completed the send-off to Halo nicely and finally to hear from them, and see them unveil their new IP.

The only thing truly wrong with Bungie Day 11, was simply not having enough Bungie to go around.

  • 07.08.2011 2:16 AM PDT