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Subject: Do people really know what they want?

Usually when I come onto these forums, specifically this one, there are always people complaining about something, whether it be armour lock, credit bans/resets or in this case, Halo CEA not having it's original multiplayer. What everybody needs to realize is that as much as they want the original multiplayer back there is no way they can have it back.

Most of the people here don't know that it isn't as easy to do this sort of thing as they think it is. It's like they think that just because 343i can remake the campaign it means they can remake the multiplayer just as easily. This certainly isn't true. To make the multiplayer again they would have to fix so many aspects of the game for it to work that it just wouldn't feel like it used too. People complain about grenades being too powerful in reach. Imagine how many complaints there would be about the nukes of grenades in a remake.

Everybody seems to think they want Blood Gulch back as well and to be honest I really don't know why. It was a great map back in the LAN days and worked well with the engine it was designed for. It obviously doesn't work so well in reach as seen with Hemorrhage, so why would another blood gulch remake be any different?

Of course this is only my opinion, but everybody needs to get their heads straight and think about what they are asking for.

And if you really want to play CE multiplayer again, go get Halo CE again. It never really went anywhere

  • 07.09.2011 3:29 AM PDT

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Well said. They can go on the PC or Mac version as the servers are still running. Also to people moaning about the lack of Blood Gulch STFU Blood Gylch is the worst map in Halo history and Halo: Reach has Hemorrhage anyway.

  • 07.09.2011 3:58 AM PDT

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Posted by: Muzzbug
Usually when I come onto these forums, specifically this one, there are always people complaining about something, whether it be armour lock, credit bans/resets or in this case, Halo CEA not having it's original multiplayer. What everybody needs to realize is that as much as they want the original multiplayer back there is no way they can have it back.

Most of the people here don't know that it isn't as easy to do this sort of thing as they think it is. It's like they think that just because 343i can remake the campaign it means they can remake the multiplayer just as easily. This certainly isn't true. To make the multiplayer again they would have to fix so many aspects of the game for it to work that it just wouldn't feel like it used too. People complain about grenades being too powerful in reach. Imagine how many complaints there would be about the nukes of grenades in a remake.

Everybody seems to think they want Blood Gulch back as well and to be honest I really don't know why. It was a great map back in the LAN days and worked well with the engine it was designed for. It obviously doesn't work so well in reach as seen with Hemorrhage, so why would another blood gulch remake be any different?

Of course this is only my opinion, but everybody needs to get their heads straight and think about what they are asking for.

And if you really want to play CE multiplayer again, go get Halo CE again. It never really went anywhere

Agreed
A lot of people don't realize the project would be to large and require to many resources pretty much putting a strain on the production of halo 4. Not to mention they would spend time constantly updating the game.

  • 07.10.2011 2:40 PM PDT

No one's ever happy with what they have on these forums. People always find one thing or another to complain about.

[Edited on 07.10.2011 5:47 PM PDT]

  • 07.10.2011 5:46 PM PDT


Posted by: Muzzbug
Usually when I come onto these forums, specifically this one, there are always people complaining about something, whether it be armour lock, credit bans/resets or in this case, Halo CEA not having it's original multiplayer. What everybody needs to realize is that as much as they want the original multiplayer back there is no way they can have it back.

Most of the people here don't know that it isn't as easy to do this sort of thing as they think it is. It's like they think that just because 343i can remake the campaign it means they can remake the multiplayer just as easily. This certainly isn't true. To make the multiplayer again they would have to fix so many aspects of the game for it to work that it just wouldn't feel like it used too. People complain about grenades being too powerful in reach. Imagine how many complaints there would be about the nukes of grenades in a remake.

Everybody seems to think they want Blood Gulch back as well and to be honest I really don't know why. It was a great map back in the LAN days and worked well with the engine it was designed for. It obviously doesn't work so well in reach as seen with Hemorrhage, so why would another blood gulch remake be any different?

Of course this is only my opinion, but everybody needs to get their heads straight and think about what they are asking for.

And if you really want to play CE multiplayer again, go get Halo CE again. It never really went anywhere


It would be different, because it's the same physics, the same weapons, the same everything (but graphics).

"People complain about grenades being too powerful in reach. Imagine how many complaints there would be about the nukes of grenades in a remake. "

Do they really? I thought they were wimpy in Reach.

"This certainly isn't true. To make the multiplayer again they would have to fix so many aspects of the game for it to work that it just wouldn't feel like it used too."

Uhm? What aspects?

You're right, buddy, but for the wrong reasons. They likely didn't have time, or perhaps Halo's physics were so messed up and synchronized over XBL very badly (just look at Halo PC) that they canned multiplayer. Maybe a combination of both.

  • 07.10.2011 7:03 PM PDT
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  • 07.10.2011 9:43 PM PDT

What everybody needs to realize is that as much as they want the original multiplayer back there is no way they can have it back.
Most people do in fact realize that 343i's announcements have effectively permanently buried it. But that doesn't mean that they agree with the business model or won't complain about the decision.

To make the multiplayer again they would have to fix so many aspects of the game for it to work that it just wouldn't feel like it used too.
If you mean that in terms of the effect of netcode, I assure you that most people are aware that local multiplayer is pretty much always better than online multiplayer. The same holds for any game in the Halo series, and most games out there period.
Besides, 343i didn't seem to consider that an obstruction when they made online coop's netcode.

If you mean that in terms of the gameplay itself, I assure you that many people are fully aware of what Halo 1's MP gameplay is like. They are also, unlike yourself, aware of the fact that the balancing between Halo 1's weapons isn't really all that much different than the balancing of Reach's weapons were you to remove the power weapons, which as evidenced by many gametypes in Reach and many happy players of Halo 1 is not a huge disaster.

People complain about grenades being too powerful in reach. Imagine how many complaints there would be about the nukes of grenades in a remake.
There's a lot of factors that amplify that problem in Reach that you're ignoring. Reach's frags have extremely short fuses, Reach's movement speed is ridiculously low, the plasma grenades have extremely high sticking magnetism, and Reach's other weapons are far weaker in kill times than the weapons in Halo 1's sandbox despite the damaging power of the grenades being roughly equal.

Yeah, Halo 1's grenade scheme would quite possibly be a little ridiculous if dropped directly in the middle of Reach's sandbox. But you could say that about very nearly any weapon or vehicle that exists in Halo 1. Halo 1 is a very different game with a very different sandbox, and those differences need to be considered when considering problematicness of things.

And if you really want to play CE multiplayer again, go get Halo CE again. It never really went anywhere
Aside from LAN parties becoming more and more difficult to form.

Tunelling programs have sketchy results, and Halo PC, while rather nice, is a console port with bad netcode. Halo 1 isn't represented by any sort of highly available decent multiplayer scheme on its original platform.

  • 07.11.2011 1:10 AM PDT

"well said mini moose"

I'm okay with it but seriously, they act as if this is what people asked for all these years. They asked for it multiplayer on xbox live and I am not paying 100 dollars for a computer game. I understand that it would take too much effort buy they shouldn't act as if this is what we have asked for for years.

  • 07.11.2011 9:23 AM PDT
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  • 07.11.2011 10:57 AM PDT

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Peoples wants often come before their concern for what goes into making it happen. Not only that, but peoples wants will often superscede something that is actually practical, and/or a good general offering, i.e. the reaction to any Halo sequal every released.

  • 07.11.2011 12:52 PM PDT