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Subject: Halo reach can be called not cannon now.

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: Lord Slade
Posted by: abelsinh
Seeing how the games are above the books, Reach is, indeed canon, in fact, the books are just a complementary side-story for the games, so yeah.

Halo: Reach > Halo: The Fall of Reach.
^This is what illiterates actually believe.

You don't know what illiterate means.

  • 07.09.2011 1:32 PM PDT
Subject: Halo reach can be called not cannon now.

Adepto In Meus Campester
Posted by: ParagonRenegade
You were totally and absolutely correct in every way, I don't know why we were arguing, you're so amazing I should never have doubted you.

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
You don't know what illiterate means.
Actually, yes I do. Anybody who has read the books would agree that TFoR > Reach.

  • 07.09.2011 1:33 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: Lord Slade
Posted by: DecepticonCobra
You don't know what illiterate means.
Actually, yes I do. Anybody who has read the books would agree that TFoR > Reach.

I read The Fall of Reach, the first part was amazing, the origin of the Spartans, their missions, but once it actually dealt with the actual namesake of the book, it fell flat. I prefer Reach for the actual conflict. Generalizations don't make you right.

[Edited on 07.09.2011 1:35 PM PDT]

  • 07.09.2011 1:34 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

I'm still waiting for a reply on your Elites in CE are so great argument Slade, what, didn't you like when I linked you to that video of a Zealot getting pummeled to death on Legendary? :(

  • 07.09.2011 2:11 PM PDT


Posted by: RKOSNAKE
I'm still waiting for a reply on your Elites in CE are so great argument Slade, what, didn't you like when I linked you to that video of a Zealot getting pummeled to death on Legendary? :(


Clearly that's just a figment of your imagination, and elites in CE were the deadliest of them all.

Fairly sure you can't pull that off if you tried it against a Reach sword-wielding elite.

  • 07.09.2011 2:13 PM PDT
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The Fall of Reach actually read like someone with moderate writing skill going down a checklist of story points to hit. It was soulless and almost robotic. It makes so much sense that the writer is a scientist and a technical writer, because that's exactly how his books are written. The only compelling parts of the Fall of Reach are the bits of mythology Bungie fed to him, which were delivered much more competently in Reach itself.

Like I said earlier, the game supercedes the novel because it's directly from the people who created the universe. And thank god for that, because the novel isn't a remotely passable piece of literature. I don't know why anyone would want it as a key piece of canon.

  • 07.09.2011 2:22 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

Let's see, Reach Elites

vs

CE Elites.

  • 07.09.2011 2:32 PM PDT
Subject: Halo can be called not cannon now.


How can you call him a troll? He makes perfect sense! But yeah, I agree with RKOSNAKE.
Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: Trogit
the lack of yours amazes me.

The posted that while bungie was still in charge.

Ill end this thread here, you have your opinions I have my facts. you can now go crawl under your bridge, troll.


Troll? Me? Ha! The single fact that they are using Reach into their videos proves that they consider it canon, you're just too angry to realize it.

  • 07.09.2011 2:41 PM PDT
Subject: Halo reach can be called not cannon now.

As much as I would love to see Reach become non canon it isn't, nor will it ever be. If you don't like it then ignore it. It really doesn't effect the rest of the universe if it was never made.

  • 07.09.2011 2:41 PM PDT


Posted by: Trogit
the lack of yours amazes me.

The posted that while bungie was still in charge.

Ill end this thread here, you have your opinions I have my facts. you can now go crawl under your bridge, troll.


Um...343i has been officially in charge of the Halo IP ever since Reach came, they were actually in charge before, but now it's actually completely official. There's still a bit of transition going on, but 343i has been in complete charge since Bungie released Reach...so your so called "facts" are not facts at all.

Oh and Reach is completely canon whether you like it or not, and I don't see 343i changing its overall status, so your only true option is to accept it get over it...

[Edited on 07.09.2011 2:45 PM PDT]

  • 07.09.2011 2:43 PM PDT


Posted by: Lord Slade
Posted by: DecepticonCobra
You don't know what illiterate means.
Actually, yes I do. Anybody who has read the books would agree that TFoR > Reach.


I've read the TFoR and I still prefer Reach.

  • 07.09.2011 3:00 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."


Posted by: ALPHAslayER1911

Posted by: Lord Slade
Posted by: DecepticonCobra
You don't know what illiterate means.
Actually, yes I do. Anybody who has read the books would agree that TFoR > Reach.


I've read the TFoR and I still prefer Reach.


Ditto Alpha.

  • 07.09.2011 3:10 PM PDT


Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: ALPHAslayER1911

Posted by: Lord Slade
Posted by: DecepticonCobra
You don't know what illiterate means.
Actually, yes I do. Anybody who has read the books would agree that TFoR > Reach.


I've read the TFoR and I still prefer Reach.


Ditto Alpha.

It's a good book but the actual Battle of Reach doesn't happen until the last couple of chapters.

  • 07.09.2011 3:21 PM PDT

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Posted by: Trogit
We all know how reach destroyed our beloved cannon, but I think we can see it as not cannon. 343 will soon own halo if they already dont, their cannon will then superseed bungies. so that is why I think that halo reach is officially not cannon.



I don't understand how the hell you think that makes sense. So, are you trying to say that 343i's canon will soon be the only real storyline? What of everything that's already been created by Bungie?

Using what I perceive to be your "logic", you'd have me believe that the Halo Trilogy (by Bungie), ODST (Bungie), Reach (Bungie), nearly every Halo paperwork (Bungie), and all previously established storyline... Isn't canon?

That's what I'm getting out of your post.

  • 07.09.2011 3:32 PM PDT


Posted by: Lord Slade
Posted by: DecepticonCobra
You don't know what illiterate means.
Actually, yes I do. Anybody who has read the books would agree that TFoR > Reach.


I've read TFoR, and I'm in the same boat as several of the other posters in here. I liked Reach's depiction of the Battle of Reach far more than TFoR. It's an excellent book, but the ending and the depiction of Reach's Fall was very lackluster and I didn't find it all that great.

  • 07.09.2011 4:13 PM PDT
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Do not waste your tears, I was not born to watch the world grow dim. Life is not measured in years, but by the deeds of men.

Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.


Posted by: RKOSNAKE
The Joshua has been released. Your argument is invalid now OP.
In jokes for the win!

  • 07.09.2011 4:55 PM PDT

Fortune favors the Bold

I don't prefer reach because it doesn't really explain anything. You get such a narrow view about what is going on that you don't understand why the covenant attacked with such a little force at the beginning and then brought their main force after a few days.

TFoR makes a lot more senese.

What I don't understand is a few months before they released reach, they came out with the "updated" version of TFoR. Yet it was the exact same thing. How are they going to try and sell us two different stories that dont add up.

Its like saying, hey! this is what happened, then a month later saying, no no no, this is what REALLY happened. You just wasted your money and time. -blam!- -blam!-s

  • 07.09.2011 5:16 PM PDT
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Posted by: Trogit
the lack of yours amazes me.

The posted that while bungie was still in charge.

Ill end this thread here, you have your opinions I have my facts. you can now go crawl under your bridge, troll.


Oh god, my sides. I find the amount of facts you have astoundingly hilarious. Also you said "I think" in your original post and you still try to make it a fact, which makes this thread even more of a joke than I originally thought it would be.
10/10 For quality comedian material.

  • 07.09.2011 5:19 PM PDT
Subject: Halo reach can be called not cannon now.

The lack of knowledge in forum members on Canon in the Universe forum disgusts me. The OP can't even spell "Canon" correctly.

In the Hierarchy of canon:

Games
Books
Comics
Videos

If I'm mistaken then correct me with proof. I know that a Bungie member posted it at some point in history.

Halo:Reach is the most up to date Halo game, thus it is canon. 343 Industries has already released videos with Reach canon events occurring, such as Assault on the Stars.

Saying that because the developer that worked on Halo is not working on it anymore is basically saying none of the Halo's are canon. If a book section was overridden, the book would have to be rewritten ( If the Author wished to ).

Note that your thread is your opinion OP, not fact. I myself didn't like the change at first, but then realized Reach was a great addition in my opinion, and I'd love to see TFoR rewritten with this added canon.

  • 07.09.2011 5:49 PM PDT
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Enjoy what you have and live on.

My gamertag is Elder Bias

Sadly, in official; Reach is canon. But for me, I don't consider it as canon. (Unofficial)

And, First Strike is better lore for describing the battle of Reach, not tFoR. If it had followed the First Strike, it would be much better. Also, they can use last couple chapters of tFOR and First Strike instead (part of Battle of Reach) and it don't need to use Keye's perspectives (that where you guys argue that few hundred dropships overwhelmed UNSC defenses within a hour or two is rubbish, etc) that's where you stop there. You forget that there may be god's perspective, which it can be more than few hundred, more like thousands that were unaccounted for in the book.



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  • 07.09.2011 7:05 PM PDT

Officially, it's canon. But I, personally, do not consider it to be canon.

  • 07.09.2011 7:06 PM PDT
Subject: Halo can be called not cannon now.

Fillies don't know about Tubes and his banjo

someone in bungie said that the games override the books. halo reach is canon.

  • 07.09.2011 7:22 PM PDT

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Unfortunately not.

Reach is a -blam!- terrible campaign and story though.

  • 07.09.2011 7:43 PM PDT


Posted by: cameo_cream
Unfortunately not.

Reach is a -blam!- terrible campaign and story though.


In your opinion. If Reach was so horrible then why did it recieve such high reviews from the likes of IGN, Gameinformer, 1UP, and other notable reviewers?

The story in Reach was an excellent one, and the characters are some of the richest we've seen yet in the games. You and many others on here seem to have let your dislike of the slight deviations from events in TFoR blind you completely. If the game was as bad as everyone said then it would not have been positively received by anyone especially not critics and those who are paid to review games and have far more experience with analyzing plot, character, and many other facets of a game than any of us arguing about it here.

  • 07.13.2011 6:39 PM PDT

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