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Subject: Possible evidence of the Covenant in Halo 4?

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

It'd make no sense to have Covenant or Humans in the Mysterious Planet John is arriving to, that would just kill the mysteriousness around it and make it "Halo 2+2" or Halo 3+1 added to the title". This is supposed to deal with the Forerunners and other ancient races by the sound of it.

  • 07.17.2011 12:51 AM PDT

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that's why my teory rotates them to a mere sideline aspect in the story. The real enemy would be the Forerunner/Ancient evil, look at it like this...I find it hard to believe that it'll only be just the Chief and Cortana throughout the whole game. Also it does make sense, game play and storywise. You guys make it seem like it some impossible leap of thought, I'm not saying that the chief is going to get a sex change or something.

  • 07.17.2011 1:12 AM PDT

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Posted by: L KOLIEAN L
Also it does make sense, game play and storywise.

No it doesn't.

  • 07.17.2011 1:13 AM PDT

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Posted by: L KOLIEAN L
that's why my teory rotates them to a mere sideline aspect in the story. The real enemy would be the Forerunner/Ancient evil, look at it like this...I find it hard to believe that it'll only be just the Chief and Cortana throughout the whole game. Also it does make sense, game play and storywise. You guys make it seem like it some impossible leap of thought, I'm not saying that the chief is going to get a sex change or something.


So Mendicant Bias decided to send John with the Forerunners and by a messed up chance of destiny, there was a bunch of ONI guys there, along with Covenant troops and UNSC soldiers? Sure, seems plausible enough.[/sarcasm]

  • 07.17.2011 1:14 AM PDT

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I never said there's a crapton of people everywhere, how does that make sense? Seriously if what I theorized happened there would be anything but a large force of ppl. They would be hunted or shattered and surely going rogue. It would be a free for all and everyman for themselves. They wouldn't have ships, hell pretty much they'll have a bare min. they could get. It'll be like halo (The situation) just for both sides. Also when isn't Halo ran on chance? lol

  • 07.17.2011 1:21 AM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: L KOLIEAN L
I never said there's a crapton of people everywhere, how does that make sense? Seriously if what I theorized happened there would be anything but a large force of ppl. They would be hunted or shattered and surely going rogue. It would be a free for all and everyman for themselves. They wouldn't have ships, hell pretty much they'll have a bare min. they could get. It'll be like halo (The situation) just for both sides. Also when isn't Halo ran on chance? lol

That is exactly what the confirmed fake theory said, it isn't going to happen that way.

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Posted by: L KOLIEAN L
I never said there's a crapton of people everywhere, how does that make sense? Seriously if what I theorized happened there would be anything but a large force of ppl. They would be hunted or shattered and surely going rogue. It would be a free for all and everyman for themselves. They wouldn't have ships, hell pretty much they'll have a bare min. they could get. It'll be like halo (The situation) just for both sides. Also when isn't Halo ran on chance? lol


Not that i think you would make any sense if you were actually awake; but you need to get some sleep.

  • 07.17.2011 1:24 AM PDT

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Sorry I am a ranting SOB in heart. The point I was trying to make is that if my theory were to happen in H4 it wouldn't act out how these guys think it would.

I'm trying to point out that there is a chance of UNSC and (Species wise) Covenant influence. If there is however, it would be rare or pale to the influence of the new enemy or Forerunners. These forces would be stranded and really just trying to get by, maybe only working together due to mutual need. They'd also have no more knowledge then what they had known before ending up there.

The rest of my post were ideas on what happened to get them there but overall my point was to state that it is possible (and to me, logical) for there to be UNSC and or Covie forces on the planet. This is expanded from an idea from the leaked plot. I liked the concept posed by that leak and I think it allows for a more (cryptic and dark) story to be told while transitioning into the new aspect we'll be exploring in the story. I don't see how this would really take from the story either...

Plus I see it as opening us to learning more about the back story of the place...idk

[Edited on 07.17.2011 1:40 AM PDT]

  • 07.17.2011 1:37 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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There is no chance.

Frankie said if you are new to halo you won't have to play the last trilogy to get this one. Showing any covenant races in any role negates that.

not to mention we already have forerunners, flood will be in to some extent, possibly precursors, and if they really are "good" we have their antithesis and now we are to add covenant to that?


too many enemy's that would take away from the central plot. just like spiderman 3 failing because it was trying to focus on too many things at once. and the same reason the current weapon sandbox is redundant since we have several weapons that do the same thing.

  • 07.17.2011 1:45 AM PDT

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Posted by: grey101
There is no chance.

Frankie said if you are new to halo you won't have to play the last trilogy to get this one. Showing any covenant races in any role negates that.

not to mention we already have forerunners, flood will be in to some extent, possibly precursors, and if they really are "good" we have their antithesis and now we are to add covenant to that?


too many enemy's that would take away from the central plot. just like spiderman 3 failing because it was trying to focus on too many things at once. and the same reason the current weapon sandbox is redundant since we have several weapons that do the same thing.


When you put it like that I understand what you mean, although maybe Frankie may only be speaking about playability. Maybe the Covies are allies with the UNSC survivors? That doesn't really effect the plot so much as give you peeps to chill with. Idk (I say this alot) but I try not to read into those statements (Esp. Bungies and 343's) and then use them to define every aspect of the story. I mean it's well known that they tend to be rather vague on the details...Let's just wait till August and Halo fest (WOOOOOoooo!!!)

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

Frankie was talking about the entire game and even directly said "no purple". stop trying to find loopholes in a knot

  • 07.17.2011 1:58 AM PDT

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I'd think of it as trying to untie a knot really lol, anyways it's just a theory so I just need to refine it. Then again this is exactly why it helps to discuss it with people...it's 2 am here so I'm out. Night grey, been fun.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

farewell

  • 07.17.2011 2:15 AM PDT

Perception is everything.

I really hope The Covenant has nothing to do with this game. I want something new.

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Please, stop.

Frankie confirmed there will be NO COVENANT at Halo 4. It is so hard to understand?

In my opinion, I wouldn't mind fighting against Forerunners or Precursors. It would bring new experience and I can tell many people (community 0f Halo) is probably tired of fighting Covenant for ten years, at least.

[Edited on 07.17.2011 6:28 AM PDT]

  • 07.17.2011 6:28 AM PDT

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Posted by: raganok99
Please, stop.

Frankie confirmed there will be NO COVENANT at Halo 4. It is so hard to understand?

In my opinion, I wouldn't mind fighting against Forerunners or Precursors. It would bring new experience and I can tell many people (community 0f Halo) is probably tired of fighting Covenant for ten years, at least.


Your pretty late to say please stop (if that's directed at me) and really I think you guys are taking what I'm saying as Covies= I'm going to fight them 24/7. That IS NOT a main point in my theory at all. Honestly I'm not saying that the covenant itself will be fighting you...nor am I trying to say that covie weapons and ships and all that jazz are involved. It was merely a theory that we may not be the only ones to have come across the planet. At the very least I feel like there will be some sort of UNSC involvement.

Another thing that bugs me is that I never said these guys would even be aware of the events of the events of H3. Also even if there are Covies (and by this I mean any of the species that were part of it) they would most likely not end up being a threat. There's something odd with this planet, and from the trailer there is some sort of towing going on with the FD at the end. I also believe that the planet is at least somewhat artificial and may work like the planet in Halo Wars or GoO.There are alot of things that leads to me thinking its possible we'll have some sort of (familiar) help and honestly I think you guys are either reading to much into what I said or your drawing connects and making leaps of logic. Really (as I've stated) I'm not going to take the words Frank said at face value and then use that to limit myself. It can be possible that he using that same cryptic way of clearing rumors while not outright denying the possibility of them. I mean the question asked I thought was if the covenant would act as a enemy or have as big of a role as they did in the last game. Obviously even with this theory that is a no, also this theory doesn't even really need much backstory as any alliance formed from the Humans and Covie (Species) would had happen only in that space. Of course I'm not saying "I'M RIGHT YOUR WRONG BURN IN HELL!!!!" I'm just providing a different (and I feel) valid point of discussion. Also so far other then a quote from Frankie I haven't even really received an argument as to why this idea isn't possible at all. the only ppl who've even really put much thought into it being Decep and Grey.

As for why I think it'll fit with the story, I think it's very possible that the planet could had taken on some unwanted or accidental hitchhikers. As for why it fits with game play I just doubt Bungie would take the Portal way out. Even then there was still some sort of assistance. I feel like having either UNSC and/or Covie forces broken down would provide a way for Vets to ease into the story while maintaining a connection to the outside, while also allow new players to be introduced into what can be considered a new frontier. I could go on and on about how I feel but honestly it'll take alot for you all to get me to outright joss my theory. 343 although could joss it but I'll still trust my gut. not saying I haven't been wrong but I have called a few things before.

[Edited on 07.17.2011 10:10 AM PDT]

  • 07.17.2011 10:08 AM PDT

Berzerk Gnome

Even if there are no covies in Halo 4 it doesn't mean they wont appear in the next two games. Halo 4 is going to be chief on a planet without any interference from humans or covies, but that does not mean that something wont happen later. Basically the new trilogy is going to tie up all the loose ends with Forerunners and the Flood.

[Edited on 07.17.2011 9:47 PM PDT]

  • 07.17.2011 9:47 PM PDT

well what if it is another shield world that john stumbled upon most likely has something to with cortana and her rampence sorry about the spelling but i also think that the sententials will be a big part of the game considering that the forerunners used them as alot.

  • 07.17.2011 10:03 PM PDT

This really gives you a lot to think about. You have a good point though. I would have never thought of anything like this. This opens my eyes to new opening possibilities and... It would kick ass if there was something about John in his younger stages ans include Sam and Kelly in it. I know this wont because it wouldn't make sense. Maybe he'll have flashbacks :)

  • 07.17.2011 10:15 PM PDT

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Posted by: ImmortalJoshua
I know that this is simple, but it could mean something or nothing.

On the Halo 4 logo, you can clearly see the Hexagonal pattern.
This pattern is ONLY seen in the Halo series on Covenant weapons, armor, vehicles, etc. This is more noticeable in Reach but can be noticed throughout the whole series.
Forerunner tech is never seen with this pattern.
Now notice the Purplish/blue color to the logo. This is also seen with the Covenant. Forerunner tech is mostly grey with some blue.

Could this mark a new Covenant? Maybe the Stoics actually survived and decided to use Forerunner tech? Or maybe they're warriors and not the lazy old farts we see in the trilogy?
Covenant weapons are copies of the forerunners weapons, well most of them. They have to copy them exactly or they will be "punished".

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The Covenant got their tech from the forerunners. It's unlikely that means involvement.

  • 07.17.2011 11:10 PM PDT

Unless there is still Covenant or another faction that is against the UNSC and its allies ( the elites are now sided with the UNSC), I dont think so. At least there won't be the Covenant that existed before Halo 4. I am guessing that the main enemy faction will be Forerunner made.

The trailer for Halo 4 shows the Chief's "ship" coming up on a shield world. This could be the same one that Dr. Halsey and several spartans are on. Maybe it is just one of the possibly many shield worlds. I know that millions maybe billions of sentinels guard the shield worlds; so that might mean that sentinels will be enemies or possible allies in Halo 4.

  • 07.18.2011 1:41 AM PDT

Berzerk Gnome

Honestly the involvement of the Covenant and/or Covenant species is inevitable, the next three games are meant to tie up the ancient struggle between Forerunner and Flood and once again we will find the Humans and Covenant species to be very in the dark about their past. To reiterate my point Halo 4-6 will tie up all of the loose ends about the halo universe and bring balance to the storyline.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: Berzerk Gnome
Honestly the involvement of the Covenant and/or Covenant species is inevitable, the next three games are meant to tie up the ancient struggle between Forerunner and Flood and once again we will find the Humans and Covenant species to be very in the dark about their past. To reiterate my point Halo 4-6 will tie up all of the loose ends about the halo universe and bring balance to the storyline.


Why the hell did you bring this up?

The only covenant race known to even be involved are the prophets. I have/had a personal hunch that the elites were a random project (based on a cryptum line) and thats that. The only possible connect they as a whole would have is a geas, something that was implied in "the flood" that all races have.

and this trilogy will not tie up every lose end

  • 07.18.2011 11:50 AM PDT

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Posted by: Berzerk Gnome
Honestly the involvement of the Covenant and/or Covenant species is inevitable, the next three games are meant to tie up the ancient struggle between Forerunner and Flood and once again we will find the Humans and Covenant species to be very in the dark about their past. To reiterate my point Halo 4-6 will tie up all of the loose ends about the halo universe and bring balance to the storyline.

You do know the Halo books are going post-Halo 3 now, those will tie up the loose ends for the Elites and Humanity, the Chief's story doesn't need either group, much less a non-existent Covenant.

  • 07.18.2011 11:51 AM PDT

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