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Subject: Possible evidence of the Covenant in Halo 4?


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: Berzerk Gnome
Honestly the involvement of the Covenant and/or Covenant species is inevitable, the next three games are meant to tie up the ancient struggle between Forerunner and Flood and once again we will find the Humans and Covenant species to be very in the dark about their past. To reiterate my point Halo 4-6 will tie up all of the loose ends about the halo universe and bring balance to the storyline.

You do know the Halo books are going post-Halo 3 now, those will tie up the loose ends for the Elites and Humanity, the Chief's story doesn't need either group, much less a non-existent Covenant.


I disagree, I don't think they're stupid enough to limit such things to the books. Not everyone reads them, to leave questions people have that are left unanswered by the games solely to the books is not a wise path and I don't think 343i are stupid enough to take it. I don't really expect such things to come up in Halo 4 as it needs to set the stage for the new trilogy, however, just because it's a new trilogy does not preclude issues from the past coming up, and simply ignoring them completely is not good story telling.

And before anyone decides to really criticize me or agree with me, let me point out that I'm not on either of your sides, I think you're both wrong on some issues and right on others. Ultimately I'm going to just wait and see and not discount anything or assume something will be there until I know more about the game.

  • 07.18.2011 12:03 PM PDT

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Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: Berzerk Gnome
Honestly the involvement of the Covenant and/or Covenant species is inevitable, the next three games are meant to tie up the ancient struggle between Forerunner and Flood and once again we will find the Humans and Covenant species to be very in the dark about their past. To reiterate my point Halo 4-6 will tie up all of the loose ends about the halo universe and bring balance to the storyline.

You do know the Halo books are going post-Halo 3 now, those will tie up the loose ends for the Elites and Humanity, the Chief's story doesn't need either group, much less a non-existent Covenant.


I disagree, I don't think they're stupid enough to limit such things to the books. Not everyone reads them, to leave questions people have that are left unanswered by the games solely to the books is not a wise path and I don't think 343i are stupid enough to take it. I don't really expect such things to come up in Halo 4 as it needs to set the stage for the new trilogy, however, just because it's a new trilogy does not preclude issues from the past coming up, and simply ignoring them completely is not good story telling.

And before anyone decides to really criticize me or agree with me, let me point out that I'm not on either of your sides, I think you're both wrong on some issues and right on others. Ultimately I'm going to just wait and see and not discount anything or assume something will be there until I know more about the game.

With novels like Glasslands coming out and more post-Halo 3 stories appearing in the "Definitive Editions" of the novels it seems that way to me.

  • 07.18.2011 12:05 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: Berzerk Gnome
Honestly the involvement of the Covenant and/or Covenant species is inevitable, the next three games are meant to tie up the ancient struggle between Forerunner and Flood and once again we will find the Humans and Covenant species to be very in the dark about their past. To reiterate my point Halo 4-6 will tie up all of the loose ends about the halo universe and bring balance to the storyline.

You do know the Halo books are going post-Halo 3 now, those will tie up the loose ends for the Elites and Humanity, the Chief's story doesn't need either group, much less a non-existent Covenant.


I disagree, I don't think they're stupid enough to limit such things to the books. Not everyone reads them, to leave questions people have that are left unanswered by the games solely to the books is not a wise path and I don't think 343i are stupid enough to take it. I don't really expect such things to come up in Halo 4 as it needs to set the stage for the new trilogy, however, just because it's a new trilogy does not preclude issues from the past coming up, and simply ignoring them completely is not good story telling.

And before anyone decides to really criticize me or agree with me, let me point out that I'm not on either of your sides, I think you're both wrong on some issues and right on others. Ultimately I'm going to just wait and see and not discount anything or assume something will be there until I know more about the game.


It isn't stupidity coma it is just moving on and sticking with it.

I honestly only know starwars from the movie and a short book i read when i was like 6. nothing about the galaxy gun or the yuuzhan vong are stated in the movies or thousands of other things but they are still relevant.

There is no need for the covenant to be in the new trilogy. both hood and Rtas said the war is over so it is over. Frankie said "no purple" and that "you don't need to play the old trilogy to get the new one" to enforce it.

If the covenant were in they would directly shatter those lines. Halo needs to movie on, i fully support spin off games based on or around the covenant but they have no story in the new trilogy.

Not to mention games like red faction that don't have books and the game us the only story source..suck. I love red faction but there is so much that is unexplained that it is mind facing which makes the games kinda bland when you understand that.


It is 2011 and people need to have their intelligence boosted instead of being hand-fed. If you want to know what happens with the covenant species then pick up a book or atleast look for the torrents/PDF files on google. Having everything explained in the games dumbs down the whole experience.
such as bungie not putting separatist hunters,grunts,jackals,etc because "people would understand it" that shows exactly how smart people art now.

  • 07.18.2011 12:15 PM PDT

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Posted by: OrderedComa
Ultimately I'm going to just wait and see and not discount anything or assume something will be there until I know more about the game.


A most reasonable proposition.

Personally, I can't stand reading debates about what the premise of the new trilogy will be, who the enemy will be, who's going to be in it, where it takes place, etc. People can have their opinions, but they're just guesses.

I'm just excited to see what happens. And, in the meantime, I'll have Glasslands and Cryptum's sequel to read and Halo: CEA to play. :)

  • 07.18.2011 1:14 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: Berzerk Gnome
Honestly the involvement of the Covenant and/or Covenant species is inevitable, the next three games are meant to tie up the ancient struggle between Forerunner and Flood and once again we will find the Humans and Covenant species to be very in the dark about their past. To reiterate my point Halo 4-6 will tie up all of the loose ends about the halo universe and bring balance to the storyline.

You do know the Halo books are going post-Halo 3 now, those will tie up the loose ends for the Elites and Humanity, the Chief's story doesn't need either group, much less a non-existent Covenant.


I disagree, I don't think they're stupid enough to limit such things to the books. Not everyone reads them, to leave questions people have that are left unanswered by the games solely to the books is not a wise path and I don't think 343i are stupid enough to take it. I don't really expect such things to come up in Halo 4 as it needs to set the stage for the new trilogy, however, just because it's a new trilogy does not preclude issues from the past coming up, and simply ignoring them completely is not good story telling.

And before anyone decides to really criticize me or agree with me, let me point out that I'm not on either of your sides, I think you're both wrong on some issues and right on others. Ultimately I'm going to just wait and see and not discount anything or assume something will be there until I know more about the game.


It isn't stupidity coma it is just moving on and sticking with it.

I honestly only know starwars from the movie and a short book i read when i was like 6. nothing about the galaxy gun or the yuuzhan vong are stated in the movies or thousands of other things but they are still relevant.

There is no need for the covenant to be in the new trilogy. both hood and Rtas said the war is over so it is over. Frankie said "no purple" and that "you don't need to play the old trilogy to get the new one" to enforce it.

If the covenant were in they would directly shatter those lines. Halo needs to movie on, i fully support spin off games based on or around the covenant but they have no story in the new trilogy.

Not to mention games like red faction that don't have books and the game us the only story source..suck. I love red faction but there is so much that is unexplained that it is mind facing which makes the games kinda bland when you understand that.


It is stupid, because it is a rather poor decision. To leave things brought in by the games only to the books is not the right approach. Whether they will make an appearance in Halo 4 or not I don't know, but I don't think it all that likely, it will most likely be used to set the scene for the new trilogy much like CE did for its trilogy. I however do not think that they will be completely ignored in the other two games, and I think it is very premature to claim that they will or will not appear with any certainty.

Star Wars and Halo are vastly different. Star Wars has one long storyline, yes, but it's not like Halo's where everything is essentially one long story plot. You can understand one Star Wars piece of media without any of the others, not really case with Halo, very few of its media pieces can be taken completely on its own, it needs the others for clarity.

I haven't seen any of the official sources so I can't gather the entire context of the quote, until I actually see them I'm going to take the whole statement with a grain of salt. Especially since they're not above saying one thing that means one thing taken completely at face value all the while meaning something else entirely different. And just because it's a new trilogy does not mean that everything is going to be all new with almost no ties to the old.

Carrying over characters/consequences and the like from an earlier does not at all mean that newcomers won't get it at all, like in the series of novels I'm writing, I have two trilogies, and one could quite easily pick up the second without having read the first and get it completely, even though all the old characters remain present and it is essentially cleaning up the consequences from the first trilogy as well as combating the current threat. What makes you think the same is impossible with Halo?

Yes, Halo needs to keep moving forward, but you can't just completely ignore previous events and characters and act like they no longer exist, that is not good story-telling and will only get fans of the series angry.

It is 2011 and people need to have their intelligence boosted instead of being hand-fed. If you want to know what happens with the covenant species then pick up a book or atleast look for the torrents/PDF files on google. Having everything explained in the games dumbs down the whole experience.
such as bungie not putting separatist hunters,grunts,jackals,etc because "people would understand it" that shows exactly how smart people art now.


That would a good thing sure, but not everyone wants to read the books nor is everyone going to. That is why things introduced by the games must continue to be explained and explored, at least in part, by the games.

Separatist Hunters and Grunts weren't included because it would be confusing from a gameplay standpoint, if I see a Grunt or a Hunter coming into a zone if I've been fighting them as enemies the entire time before, my instinctual memory is to shoot it, having friendly and enemy Grunts or Hunters at the same time would be very confusing during gameplay. I feel like I interpreted that last part of your post wrong for some reason :/ If I did please correct me and let me know what you really meant.

Oh, and just fyi, Grey, I'm not really on any one side in this debate, I'm more playing Devil's Advocate, I'm hot going to make any sort of judgements or form any real opinions on the matter until we get more info.

[Edited on 07.22.2011 8:23 AM PDT]

  • 07.22.2011 8:21 AM PDT

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