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Subject: Headhunters vs SPARTAN II's

1 Spartan II Vs 1 Spartan III Headhunter?

Spartan II, without a doubt.

Both where trained by Mendez, the III's by Kurt as well, but he couldn't train them any better than he was trained himself, AKA Mendez.

-Tie.

SPI armour though more advanced than the ODST ballistic body armor, it is far less advanced and less powerful than the MJOLNIR Powered Assault Armor.

-Spartan II Win

Out of 33, about 4/5 Spartan II's are still alive and acounted for. Out of about 900 SPartan III's there are also only about 4/5 acounted for.
A Higher Percentage of Spartan II's seem to be alive.

-Spartan II Win

Noble Team, made of 5 Spartan III's and 1 Spartan II. 3 SIII's died, while 1 sacraficed himself after being mortaly wounded anyway. Jorge, the SII, sacraficed himself aswell, but he wasn't hurt in any way.
Plus, they where all wearing Mjolnir Armour, the same as the Spartan II's.
By comparison, 1 Spartan II managed to last 3 games, caused vast amounts of damage to the Covenant and Flood, and then saving the galaxy, with the same amount of help as noble and still lived.

-Spartan II Win

Both received about the same amount of training, but the Spartan II's have over 20 years worth of exsperience behind them.

-Spartan II Win Again :)

[Edited on 07.10.2011 12:34 PM PDT]

  • 07.10.2011 12:31 PM PDT

Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: shadowhawk1013
Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Spartan III's were trained better than Spartan II's...

S-IIIs were trained to complete an objective at all costs while S-IIs were trained for teamwork, but knew when to give up and fall back. In a situation where one group was forced to win, I think 2's would be able to know to fall back, regroup and set up a counter attack.

The selection requirements for 2's was stricter than 3's and they had easily double the years of training. They were stronger, smarter, faster, and had better overall battle equipment (3's had SPI, and headhunters had some cool tech, but headhunter's weren't equipped for a full battle). 3's were trained with the idea in mind that they were expendable, 2's were massive investments by the UNSC. I don't think that 3's actually had better training than 2's.


Spartan III's for the sole fact that were deemed to be expendable were better trained so they could complete as much missions as possible before dying, and they got almost the same amount of training (Spartan II's 6-14, Spartan III's 4/6-12). Spartan III's also didn't rely on advanced equipment as much as Spartan II's did.


Well said...

  • 07.11.2011 2:05 PM PDT

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Posted by: Astrogenesis 1
Out of 33, about 4/5 Spartan II's are still alive and acounted for. Out of about 900 SPartan III's there are also only about 4/5 acounted for.
A Higher Percentage of Spartan II's seem to be alive.

-Spartan II Win



Since when is less than 15 greater percentage than 300?

Spartan II's
-Kelly
-Maria
-John
-Fred
-Linda
-Black Team (debatable)
-Gray Team (debatable as well)
-Red Team (They might have arrived in time for the Fall of Reach given how 25 or so Spartans were deployed)

Spartan III's
-Gamma Company (Roughly 322, since Team Saber, Katana and Gladius who all consisted of 5 members were at Onyx at the time of Ghosts of Onyx and only 8 Spartan III's died)
-Tom
-Lucy

So, it's 324 vs 15....Yeah....

[Edited on 07.11.2011 2:34 PM PDT]

  • 07.11.2011 2:21 PM PDT
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There is no way that the Spartan III's would win, however they might just be able to reach a stalemate by a suicidal strike. Either way though, the odds are in Spartan II's fists.

  • 07.11.2011 2:30 PM PDT

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Posted by: Snake313

Posted by: I Nebula I
S-IIs would destroy them.



Unless the S-III Make a suicidal move like they did in the videos, then both will be dead


It's just a bit sad (and waste of money) to train Spartans whose best ability is suicide kamikaze, lol.

Spartan II's, by a long shot. They were trained better, and longer. The selection process for the Spartan program was, at the time, much stricter, with Dr. Halsey personally scouting and recruiting some of the best (i.e. John-117). They were more disciplined and focused, and, ultimately, the fact that they aren't all dead after so many years of war, is proof enough of their reliability.

Spartan III's are like the mutts of the Spartan program. Anyone can get in, and they were trained specifically for suicide missions. This isn't their fault... The Spartan III program was limited to creating cheap Spartans, and that's exactly what they got. LESS overall training time, LESS "quality" training time, LESS strict recruiting process, LESS disciplined, LESS focused...LOWER quality Spartans...and in the end, LESS Spartan III's still alive.

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Deva Path


Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

I love when people make "vs" threads but do not state very very detailed scenarios and give a list of what exactly is going on.

There are too many factors otherwise

  • 07.11.2011 2:35 PM PDT

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People seem to have the false idea that Spartan III's are inferior to Spartan II's, you know why they were so cheap? cause they didn't have MJOLNIR, that's it, MJOLNIR was the sole factor for the Spartan II's super expensive program.

  • 07.11.2011 2:36 PM PDT

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Posted by: imFoolish
Spartan III soldiers were trained to be sent to certain death to fight the Covenant hoping to overwhelm them with their numbers.

Headhunters are the selected Spartan III's who survived these deployments a few times.


Not quite. SPARTAN-IIIs weren't sent to death right off the bat, mind you. The IIIs couldn't just be wasted immediately - they could do far more good. There were numerous specially-assigned training missions through which ONI gained the lists of potential candidates for Headhunters. The SPARTANs would be selected for candidacy after the survival of at least two of these special missions during their initial training on Onyx. ONI would then review every personal file and mission report that ever had anything to do with the candidate. If the candidate was deemed suitable, it was shipped to a special training facility on the far side of Onyx - opposite Camp Curahee - to undergo extensive interview and evaluation to form the best field pairs.

So, technically, a Headhunter wouldn't have been deployed at all until its training was fully complete, and therefore, it would be excluded from operations such as PROMETHEUS and TORPEDO. They were deemed worthy of saving, even more so than Kurt and Mendez' picks such as NOBLE's members.

  • 07.11.2011 3:18 PM PDT
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Posted by: CB Visco
Spartan IIs without a doubt. They are genetically stronger, faster, and smarter. An example of this is comparing halo reach and the original halos. The spartan IIs wouldnt have to worry about a bloom, they can jump higher, and run faster.
So ODSTs have better aim than those guys?

  • 07.11.2011 3:33 PM PDT

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Posted by: Gazas

Posted by: CB Visco
Spartan IIs without a doubt. They are genetically stronger, faster, and smarter. An example of this is comparing halo reach and the original halos. The spartan IIs wouldnt have to worry about a bloom, they can jump higher, and run faster.
So ODSTs have better aim than those guys?


Apparently ODSTs are stronger than Spartans, they can rip-off a turret and RUN with it, unlike Spartans who clumsily and slowly walk with it.

  • 07.11.2011 3:37 PM PDT

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Posted by: Gazas

Posted by: CB Visco
Spartan IIs without a doubt. They are genetically stronger, faster, and smarter. An example of this is comparing halo reach and the original halos. The spartan IIs wouldnt have to worry about a bloom, they can jump higher, and run faster.
So ODSTs have better aim than those guys?

well if we are going by games which is supposed to be the highest form of canon, then yes, i guess so.

  • 07.11.2011 3:37 PM PDT

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Posted by: CB Visco

Posted by: Gazas

Posted by: CB Visco
Spartan IIs without a doubt. They are genetically stronger, faster, and smarter. An example of this is comparing halo reach and the original halos. The spartan IIs wouldnt have to worry about a bloom, they can jump higher, and run faster.
So ODSTs have better aim than those guys?

well if we are going by games which is supposed to be the highest form of canon, then yes, i guess so.


Though, gameplay mechanics of said games are not to be followed to the letter. Linking storyline to developer-added mechanics doesn't always make sense, and this is one of those situations. One can't say, "Gameplay in Halo: CE, 2, 3 and ODST used a static reticule, so the IIs and ODSTs now automatically have better aim than the IIIs due to Reach's bloom." Realize that certain aspects of gameplay, such as the similarities of Halo 3's and ODST's static reticules, are based solely on the fact that Bungie used the same unmodified engine to create both. If all Halo games were to be remade in strict accordance with storyline physics, every Halo game (save for Halo Wars) would feature some kind of bloom or reticule shift for every weapon. It was merely for gameplay improvement that reticules have remained static to date, and yet another improvement was sought (a slightly more realistic-to-physics improvement) with Halo: Reach regardless of whether who believes it was or wasn't an improvement.

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: Astrogenesis 1
Out of 33, about 4/5 Spartan II's are still alive and acounted for. Out of about 900 SPartan III's there are also only about 4/5 acounted for.
A Higher Percentage of Spartan II's seem to be alive.

-Spartan II Win



Since when is less than 15 greater percentage than 300?

Spartan II's
-Kelly
-Maria
-John
-Fred
-Linda
-Black Team (debatable)
-Gray Team (debatable as well)
-Red Team (They might have arrived in time for the Fall of Reach given how 25 or so Spartans were deployed)

Spartan III's
-Gamma Company (Roughly 322, since Team Saber, Katana and Gladius who all consisted of 5 members were at Onyx at the time of Ghosts of Onyx and only 8 Spartan III's died)
-Tom
-Lucy

So, it's 324 vs 15....Yeah....


Only 32-35 Spartan 2's left after augentation, so 15 is less than half. about 900-1000 Spartan 3's, 324 is about a third. But if the 324 came up against the 15, then the 2's would be screwed.

  • 07.11.2011 4:11 PM PDT

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Posted by: jcgerrard8

Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: Astrogenesis 1
Out of 33, about 4/5 Spartan II's are still alive and acounted for. Out of about 900 SPartan III's there are also only about 4/5 acounted for.
A Higher Percentage of Spartan II's seem to be alive.

-Spartan II Win



Since when is less than 15 greater percentage than 300?

Spartan II's
-Kelly
-Maria
-John
-Fred
-Linda
-Black Team (debatable)
-Gray Team (debatable as well)
-Red Team (They might have arrived in time for the Fall of Reach given how 25 or so Spartans were deployed)

Spartan III's
-Gamma Company (Roughly 322, since Team Saber, Katana and Gladius who all consisted of 5 members were at Onyx at the time of Ghosts of Onyx and only 8 Spartan III's died)
-Tom
-Lucy

So, it's 324 vs 15....Yeah....


Only 32-35 Spartan 2's left after augentation, so 15 is less than half. about 900-1000 Spartan 3's, 324 is about a third. But if the 324 came up against the 15, then the 2's would be screwed.


I'm taking the whole number of Spartan II's in consideration about this, seeing how Astro says that they are more alive than Spartan III's.

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: jcgerrard8

Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: Astrogenesis 1
Out of 33, about 4/5 Spartan II's are still alive and acounted for. Out of about 900 SPartan III's there are also only about 4/5 acounted for.
A Higher Percentage of Spartan II's seem to be alive.

-Spartan II Win



Since when is less than 15 greater percentage than 300?

Spartan II's
-Kelly
-Maria
-John
-Fred
-Linda
-Black Team (debatable)
-Gray Team (debatable as well)
-Red Team (They might have arrived in time for the Fall of Reach given how 25 or so Spartans were deployed)

Spartan III's
-Gamma Company (Roughly 322, since Team Saber, Katana and Gladius who all consisted of 5 members were at Onyx at the time of Ghosts of Onyx and only 8 Spartan III's died)
-Tom
-Lucy

So, it's 324 vs 15....Yeah....


Only 32-35 Spartan 2's left after augentation, so 15 is less than half. about 900-1000 Spartan 3's, 324 is about a third. But if the 324 came up against the 15, then the 2's would be screwed.


I'm taking the whole number of Spartan II's in consideration about this, seeing how Astro says that they are more alive than Spartan III's.


In my opinion their both equally dead. Most 2's died during the Augmentations. Most 3's died fighting and completing their missions (apart from Emile, who stood there like a retard, but he would of died anyway considering the amount of Elites)

  • 07.11.2011 4:18 PM PDT

actually according to the book, there were only 17 spartan 3 activly serving on Onyx. Team Gladius Team Katana and Team Saber Offically at max there are only 19 serving Spartan IIIs left. While there are 6 active Spartan IIs. No contest. Spartan IIs win hands down.

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Posted by: megadawg169
actually according to the book, there were only 17 spartan 3 activly serving on Onyx. Team Gladius Team Katana and Team Saber Offically at max there are only 19 serving Spartan IIIs left. While there are 6 active Spartan IIs. No contest. Spartan IIs win hands down.


"Only fifteen SPARTAN-IIIs remained on Onyx" - Halo Nation

  • 07.11.2011 4:26 PM PDT

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Posted by: megadawg169
actually according to the book, there were only 17 spartan 3 activly serving on Onyx. Team Gladius Team Katana and Team Saber Offically at max there are only 19 serving Spartan IIIs left. While there are 6 active Spartan IIs. No contest. Spartan IIs win hands down.


I can't tell if you're serious or just a troll.

Team Gladius, Team Katana and Team Saber were on Onyx doing exercises for top honors, the rest of the company was deployed elsewhere. God, people need to start reading the books properly.

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did the rest of the company come through the portal? Because Oynx was blown up .... and they would have died....

  • 07.11.2011 4:29 PM PDT

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Posted by: jcgerrard8
did the rest of the company come through the portal? Because Oynx was blown up .... and they would have died....


Gamma Company were not stationed on the planet at the time of the Battle of Onyx.

  • 07.11.2011 4:31 PM PDT
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[Edited on 07.11.2011 4:40 PM PDT]

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: jcgerrard8
did the rest of the company come through the portal? Because Oynx was blown up .... and they would have died....


Gamma Company were not stationed on the planet at the time of the Battle of Onyx.


Ok, thanks. We'll probaly know wher they were when Grasslands comes out.

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Okay first of all, you didn't state under which circumstances Headhunters and Spartan-IIs were fighting under...

Second of all, they would never fight each other in the first place... Unless one of them had turned evil and planned to do something really evil and the other one had to kill them to keep them from carrying out the super evil plan... lol...

So I assume that the circumstances are that it is ONE Headhunter, fighting ONE Spartan II and they are both NAKED.

I'm not -blam!- or anything, it's just the best way to keep it fair. Back when the Olympics were first invented in ancient Roman times, all them men would compete in the Olympics naked. Plus, havn't you ever seen Beowolf?

In which case the Spartan-II would win because he is bigger and stronger.

  • 07.11.2011 4:47 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

Size and Strength are not really that different, and they are not always the deciding factor in a fight.

  • 07.11.2011 4:55 PM PDT

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