Bungie Universe
This topic has moved here: Subject: Who would win? Buck VS Carter
  • Subject: Who would win? Buck VS Carter
Subject: Who would win? Buck VS Carter
  • gamertag: [none]
  • user homepage:

Do not waste your tears, I was not born to watch the world grow dim. Life is not measured in years, but by the deeds of men.

Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.


Posted by: Lord Slade
Posted by: DecepticonCobra^
Implying his opinion actually matters.

Versus threads are retarded and people who take them seriously are also.
Which is exactly why you are posting here.

[Edited on 07.12.2011 4:21 PM PDT]

  • 07.12.2011 1:57 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Look threads like these can get stupid. However, with proper context, rules, and events in place, they could be fine. That is lacking here.

First we go with Carter having no shields, Buck has his full armor.

Then we go with Carter not having his armor, Buck removes his too.

Then we go no armor, but Carter loses his augmentations.

Seriously, this is going nowhere, soon it's going to be "Okay, Carter has to be 12, while Buck is the same age."

  • 07.12.2011 2:00 PM PDT

How did I escape? With difficulty. How did I plan this moment? With pleasure.

Those looking for a group to join, I suggest you join Gamma Company Spartans (check my groups page). We are a friendly and active community always looking for more members.

Basically what Spoofacus said in my thread.

  • 07.12.2011 2:03 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Look threads like these can get stupid. However, with proper context, rules, and events in place, they could be fine. That is lacking here.

First we go with Carter having no shields, Buck has his full armor.

Then we go with Carter not having his armor, Buck removes his too.

Then we go no armor, but Carter loses his augmentations.

Seriously, this is going nowhere, soon it's going to be "Okay, Carter has to be 12, while Buck is the same age."


Any and all versus threads, to get intelligent debate, HAVE to have a ruleset and guidelines. What does each side bring to the battlefield. When would they be fighting (age/experience wise) etc.

  • 07.12.2011 2:09 PM PDT

Still legitimate arguments. I am changing the variables to suggest different outcomes. Not trying to change what you see as truth. This is where it becomes a debate. I am arguing my side and you are arguing yours. Don't take this stuff so serious! I'm here to have a conversation with intellectual people. Prove yourself as one. Not just in the Halo universe, in real subjects, too.

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Look threads like these can get stupid. However, with proper context, rules, and events in place, they could be fine. That is lacking here.

First we go with Carter having no shields, Buck has his full armor.

Then we go with Carter not having his armor, Buck removes his too.

Then we go no armor, but Carter loses his augmentations.

Seriously, this is going nowhere, soon it's going to be "Okay, Carter has to be 12, while Buck is the same age."

  • 07.12.2011 2:13 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: TwinBucs123
Still legitimate arguments. I am changing the variables to suggest different outcomes. Not trying to change what you see as truth. This is where it becomes a debate. I am arguing my side and you are arguing yours. Don't take this stuff so serious! I'm here to have a conversation with intellectual people. Prove yourself as one. Not just in the Halo universe, in real subjects, too.


Is that why you're telling people to pass science class? To be fair, you're variables have to be fair for both Buck and Carter, but they only benefit Buck.

  • 07.12.2011 2:14 PM PDT

How did I escape? With difficulty. How did I plan this moment? With pleasure.

Those looking for a group to join, I suggest you join Gamma Company Spartans (check my groups page). We are a friendly and active community always looking for more members.

Look above.

  • 07.12.2011 2:15 PM PDT

In your argument they all help Buck! I rethought this and realized changing anything is stupid! Buck only has certain traits that I think would help him. Being smarter, more experience, suppressed weapons (which wasn't covered). Let's give them equal intelligence, experience, and suppressed weapons. Overall, I have realized these variables are stupid because Buck and Carter ARE the variables, so they should not be changed at all. That is where I was wrong. But you are wrong in the fact that Carter is in every way better.

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: TwinBucs123
Still legitimate arguments. I am changing the variables to suggest different outcomes. Not trying to change what you see as truth. This is where it becomes a debate. I am arguing my side and you are arguing yours. Don't take this stuff so serious! I'm here to have a conversation with intellectual people. Prove yourself as one. Not just in the Halo universe, in real subjects, too.


Is that why you're telling people to pass science class? To be fair, you're variables have to be fair for both Buck and Carter, but they only benefit Buck.

  • 07.12.2011 2:24 PM PDT

The Ban Hammer is all that was and all that will be! The Ban Hammer is time and space, life and death! The Ban Hammer can see into your mind! The Ban Hammer can see into your soouull....

Space Cowboys Always Win


Also don't forget, Carter is a Spartan 3, meaning he only has a few real fights in him. (example, when Kat says it's here first Glassing before she get's domed shot, shows how new Spartan 3's are to the war) Where as Buck has been in a few dozen world skirmishes with the covenant and survived each one...Carter get's pwn'd while flying a pelican...I think Buck has more experience and would win.

[Edited on 07.12.2011 2:31 PM PDT]

  • 07.12.2011 2:29 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: TwinBucs123
In your argument they all help Buck! I rethought this and realized changing anything is stupid! Buck only has certain traits that I think would help him. Being smarter, more experience, suppressed weapons (which wasn't covered). Let's give them equal intelligence, experience, and suppressed weapons. Overall, I have realized these variables are stupid because Buck and Carter ARE the variables, so they should not be changed at all. That is where I was wrong. But you are wrong in the fact that Carter is in every way better.


Buck joined the UNSC in 2528, Carter was conscripted in the S-III Program in 2531, their range of experience is very small. However, Carter went on far dangerous missions than ODSTs like Buck. The statement about intelligence is questionable, where do you base this off of?

Even at equal strength, intelligence, and weapons, you strip the two of who they are, an ODST and Spartan. They aren't supposed to be equal.

  • 07.12.2011 2:31 PM PDT

YEEEEEEEEEEEHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAA...to that!

  • 07.12.2011 2:31 PM PDT

The Ban Hammer is all that was and all that will be! The Ban Hammer is time and space, life and death! The Ban Hammer can see into your mind! The Ban Hammer can see into your soouull....


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: TwinBucs123
In your argument they all help Buck! I rethought this and realized changing anything is stupid! Buck only has certain traits that I think would help him. Being smarter, more experience, suppressed weapons (which wasn't covered). Let's give them equal intelligence, experience, and suppressed weapons. Overall, I have realized these variables are stupid because Buck and Carter ARE the variables, so they should not be changed at all. That is where I was wrong. But you are wrong in the fact that Carter is in every way better.


Buck joined the UNSC in 2528, Carter was conscripted in the S-III Program in 2531, their range of experience is very small. However, Carter went on far dangerous missions than ODSTs like Buck. The statement about intelligence is questionable, where do you base this off of?

Even at equal strength, intelligence, and weapons, you strip the two of who they are, an ODST and Spartan. They aren't supposed to be equal.


Stop, right there, you said conscripted. You do realize Spartan 3 program was orphans who were trained for 2-4 years and then thrown into suicidal missions right? Buck did 1 year training and bootcamp, was an adult, and did more fighting than Carter. Carter is relatively new to the war starting his first real fights in 2535, so Buck has about 6 years more experience.

Also, Buck is rated very high, if only been younger he would have been conscripted as a Spartan 2.

[Edited on 07.12.2011 2:35 PM PDT]

  • 07.12.2011 2:34 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: Billy Vandergaw

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: TwinBucs123
In your argument they all help Buck! I rethought this and realized changing anything is stupid! Buck only has certain traits that I think would help him. Being smarter, more experience, suppressed weapons (which wasn't covered). Let's give them equal intelligence, experience, and suppressed weapons. Overall, I have realized these variables are stupid because Buck and Carter ARE the variables, so they should not be changed at all. That is where I was wrong. But you are wrong in the fact that Carter is in every way better.


Buck joined the UNSC in 2528, Carter was conscripted in the S-III Program in 2531, their range of experience is very small. However, Carter went on far dangerous missions than ODSTs like Buck. The statement about intelligence is questionable, where do you base this off of?

Even at equal strength, intelligence, and weapons, you strip the two of who they are, an ODST and Spartan. They aren't supposed to be equal.


Stop, right there, you said conscripted. You do realize Spartan 3 program was orphans who were trained for 2-4 years and then thrown into suicidal missions right? Buck did 1 year training and bootcamp, was an adult, and did more fighting than Carter. Carter is relatively new to the war starting his first real fights in 2535, so Buck has about 6 years more experience.

Okay, you know what I mean and what I'm referring to, does it bug you that much, if it does then that's -blam!- stupid. And oh yes, 6 more years of experience. Still, Carter went on missions ODSTs couldn't, that seems like it would grant more experience in the long term.

Also, Buck is rated very high, if only been younger he would have been conscripted as a Spartan 2.

Where does it state he had the genes to be a Spartan? Nowhere.

[Edited on 07.12.2011 2:37 PM PDT]

  • 07.12.2011 2:36 PM PDT

I believe Buck is more intelligent because Spartan-IIIs were not available to the schooling of Spartan-IIs because there was no extra time for that. Buck probably got to go to school and maybe even college. Also, little really is known about Buck. Who knows what Buck has experienced. Buck did fight on Harvest though, which means he new somewhat of the glassing process and the Covenant. Noble team, I think, mainly just dealt with militias and small problems on Reach. They did have some battle experience, but not that much (except Jorge had much more because he is a Spartan-II).



Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: TwinBucs123
In your argument they all help Buck! I rethought this and realized changing anything is stupid! Buck only has certain traits that I think would help him. Being smarter, more experience, suppressed weapons (which wasn't covered). Let's give them equal intelligence, experience, and suppressed weapons. Overall, I have realized these variables are stupid because Buck and Carter ARE the variables, so they should not be changed at all. That is where I was wrong. But you are wrong in the fact that Carter is in every way better.


Buck joined the UNSC in 2528, Carter was conscripted in the S-III Program in 2531, their range of experience is very small. However, Carter went on far dangerous missions than ODSTs like Buck. The statement about intelligence is questionable, where do you base this off of?

Even at equal strength, intelligence, and weapons, you strip the two of who they are, an ODST and Spartan. They aren't supposed to be equal.


[Edited on 07.12.2011 2:43 PM PDT]

  • 07.12.2011 2:38 PM PDT

"Where does it state he had the genes to be a Spartan? Nowhere."

I'm pretty sure that did happen. You are considered a "Forced-Spartan." I think. That info comes from my brother. Not a reliable source, but that's all I have for that.

  • 07.12.2011 2:42 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: TwinBucs123
"Where does it state he had the genes to be a Spartan? Nowhere."

I'm pretty sure that did happen. You are considered a "Forced-Spartan." I think. That info comes from my brother. Not a reliable source, but that's all I have for that.

Your brother doesn't know what he is talking about.

  • 07.12.2011 2:42 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: TwinBucs123
"Where does it state he had the genes to be a Spartan? Nowhere."

I'm pretty sure that did happen. You are considered a "Forced-Spartan." I think. That info comes from my brother. Not a reliable source, but that's all I have for that.

Your brother doesn't know what he is talking about.


I didn't think so...

  • 07.12.2011 2:43 PM PDT

The Ban Hammer is all that was and all that will be! The Ban Hammer is time and space, life and death! The Ban Hammer can see into your mind! The Ban Hammer can see into your soouull....


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: Billy Vandergaw

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: TwinBucs123
In your argument they all help Buck! I rethought this and realized changing anything is stupid! Buck only has certain traits that I think would help him. Being smarter, more experience, suppressed weapons (which wasn't covered). Let's give them equal intelligence, experience, and suppressed weapons. Overall, I have realized these variables are stupid because Buck and Carter ARE the variables, so they should not be changed at all. That is where I was wrong. But you are wrong in the fact that Carter is in every way better.


Buck joined the UNSC in 2528, Carter was conscripted in the S-III Program in 2531, their range of experience is very small. However, Carter went on far dangerous missions than ODSTs like Buck. The statement about intelligence is questionable, where do you base this off of?

Even at equal strength, intelligence, and weapons, you strip the two of who they are, an ODST and Spartan. They aren't supposed to be equal.


Stop, right there, you said conscripted. You do realize Spartan 3 program was orphans who were trained for 2-4 years and then thrown into suicidal missions right? Buck did 1 year training and bootcamp, was an adult, and did more fighting than Carter. Carter is relatively new to the war starting his first real fights in 2535, so Buck has about 6 years more experience.

Okay, you know what I mean and what I'm referring to, does it bug you that much, if it does then that's -blam!- stupid. And oh yes, 6 more years of experience. Still, Carter went on missions ODSTs couldn't, that seems like it would grant more experience in the long term.


Do you understand why ODST's are the best? Because they are crazy suicidal. They will do anything to get the job done. They fall from orbit in a missle! Slam into the earth. Hell 12% of those who take the drop end up as slosh 30 feet under ground, or vaporized in atmosphere.

Spartan II's are the really experienced, starting at age 7, trained for 12 years, then deployed.

Spartan III's (Carter) have a few years training, already have attitude problems, and are bent on revenge because they are orphans of covenant genocide. So Spartan III's are genneraly 16-19 year olds when they start fighting. They are green, and used in massive fights like 300-400 of them attacking a covenant mining asteroid. Out of only a few missions have ANY of them come back from a mission (read ONYX). And so you have these awkward, misjudging spartan III's with no fine education about tatics or strategy that the Spartan II's get or ODST's get through battle.

You also have to take in effect cryo sleep. Buck looks young, but he's nearly 70-80 years old from all the space sleep. Carter as well has lost some years, so relatively Buck probably only has 10 world battles more than carter, but carter's team is a strike force. They get in and get out. They don't hold ground like ODST's do for days, or weeks at a time. Carter is a guerrilla fighter, where Buck is a seasoned veteran who finishes the job.

Strip away both of their armor and genetic enhancements and give them knives, and Buck would win.

[Edited on 07.12.2011 2:48 PM PDT]

  • 07.12.2011 2:45 PM PDT

The bible is the best book Ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I AM A PROUD CHRISTIAN. HALO IS AWESOME BUT GOD IS MUCH BETTER!!!!!!!!
Did you knew that JESUSdied for you?

It will depend on who is writing at the End.

  • 07.12.2011 2:48 PM PDT
  •  | 
  • Veteran Legendary Member

Don't be stupid like I was! Check to see what that Forum Ninja is saying to you!

"I may not like what you say, but I will defend your right to the death to say it!"

"Tolerance is a virtue, and virtue builds character."
-Onyx81

The difference between ODST and Reach is that reach was going for a more realistic approach to how dangerous the covenant was. I think the thing about the Banshees destroying a Scarab, is that canon banshees are just insane machines.

  • 07.12.2011 2:48 PM PDT
  •  | 
  • Veteran Legendary Member

Don't be stupid like I was! Check to see what that Forum Ninja is saying to you!

"I may not like what you say, but I will defend your right to the death to say it!"

"Tolerance is a virtue, and virtue builds character."
-Onyx81

I'd hate to say it, but we need another game with Noble Team so we know waaay more about how good they are and their actual past.

[Edited on 07.12.2011 2:52 PM PDT]

  • 07.12.2011 2:52 PM PDT
  • gamertag: ALI217
  • user homepage:

I'm gonna finish it. Just like Jigga did to the pyramid.


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
A full trained Spartan-III or an ODST. You'd have to be mentally deficient to think an ODST could beat a Spartan.

  • 07.12.2011 2:53 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: Billy Vandergaw

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: Billy Vandergaw

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: TwinBucs123
In your argument they all help Buck! I rethought this and realized changing anything is stupid! Buck only has certain traits that I think would help him. Being smarter, more experience, suppressed weapons (which wasn't covered). Let's give them equal intelligence, experience, and suppressed weapons. Overall, I have realized these variables are stupid because Buck and Carter ARE the variables, so they should not be changed at all. That is where I was wrong. But you are wrong in the fact that Carter is in every way better.


Buck joined the UNSC in 2528, Carter was conscripted in the S-III Program in 2531, their range of experience is very small. However, Carter went on far dangerous missions than ODSTs like Buck. The statement about intelligence is questionable, where do you base this off of?

Even at equal strength, intelligence, and weapons, you strip the two of who they are, an ODST and Spartan. They aren't supposed to be equal.


Stop, right there, you said conscripted. You do realize Spartan 3 program was orphans who were trained for 2-4 years and then thrown into suicidal missions right? Buck did 1 year training and bootcamp, was an adult, and did more fighting than Carter. Carter is relatively new to the war starting his first real fights in 2535, so Buck has about 6 years more experience.

Okay, you know what I mean and what I'm referring to, does it bug you that much, if it does then that's -blam!- stupid. And oh yes, 6 more years of experience. Still, Carter went on missions ODSTs couldn't, that seems like it would grant more experience in the long term.


Do you understand why ODST's are the best? Because they are crazy suicidal. They will do anything to get the job done. They fall from orbit in a missle! Slam into the earth. Hell 12% of those who take the drop end up as slosh 30 feet under ground, or vaporized in atmosphere.

Spartan II's are the really experienced, starting at age 7, trained for 12 years, then deployed.

Spartan III's (Carter) have a few years training, already have attitude problems, and are bent on revenge because they are orphans of covenant genocide. So Spartan III's are genneraly 16-19 year olds when they start fighting. They are green, and used in massive fights like 300-400 of them attacking a covenant mining asteroid. Out of only a few missions have ANY of them come back from a mission (read ONYX). And so you have these awkward, misjudging spartan III's with no fine education about tatics or strategy that the Spartan II's get or ODST's get through battle.

You also have to take in effect cryo sleep. Buck looks young, but he's nearly 70-80 years old from all the space sleep. Carter as well has lost some years, so relatively Buck probably only has 10 world battles more than carter, but carter's team is a strike force. They get in and get out. They don't hold ground like ODST's do for days, or weeks at a time. Carter is a guerrilla fighter, where Buck is a seasoned veteran who finishes the job.


Couple things.

1. Buck is 42 biologically, not 70-80, that's Johnson.

2. Spartan-IIIs are suicidal too, hence being sent on suicide missions too hard for ODSTS and coming back until missions like PROMETHEUS and TORPEDO. They would also use drop pods. They also never retreated and would fight to the last man completing the job even if they died. They never failed unless we count Reach, but then we would have to say the ODSTs, Spartan-IIs, and the UNSC failed too.

3. Spartan-IIIs are trained by a Spartan-II and Mendez, taught math, writing, combat tactics, and various other lessons by AIs, which are far smarter than human teachers. So yes, being trained by the greatest warriors every produced by history and being taught by the most intelligent beings made by humans, it already beats ODST training.

4. Being hellbent to kill the Covenant is a good thing, makes them that much more motivated to kill the enemy.

5. Their operational history is much larger than PROMETHEUS and TORPEDO. They are hardly green when they met their ends.

  • 07.12.2011 2:56 PM PDT

Adepto In Meus Campester
Posted by: ParagonRenegade
You were totally and absolutely correct in every way, I don't know why we were arguing, you're so amazing I should never have doubted you.

Posted by: Xd00999
Which is exactly you are posting here.
Xd00999 cannot into English.

  • 07.12.2011 3:40 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Posted by: BestSpartan117
It will depend on who is writing at the End.

  • 07.12.2011 3:49 PM PDT