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Posted by: Billy Vandergaw
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Posted by: Billy Vandergaw
Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: TwinBucs123
In your argument they all help Buck! I rethought this and realized changing anything is stupid! Buck only has certain traits that I think would help him. Being smarter, more experience, suppressed weapons (which wasn't covered). Let's give them equal intelligence, experience, and suppressed weapons. Overall, I have realized these variables are stupid because Buck and Carter ARE the variables, so they should not be changed at all. That is where I was wrong. But you are wrong in the fact that Carter is in every way better.
Buck joined the UNSC in 2528, Carter was conscripted in the S-III Program in 2531, their range of experience is very small. However, Carter went on far dangerous missions than ODSTs like Buck. The statement about intelligence is questionable, where do you base this off of?
Even at equal strength, intelligence, and weapons, you strip the two of who they are, an ODST and Spartan. They aren't supposed to be equal.
Stop, right there, you said conscripted. You do realize Spartan 3 program was orphans who were trained for 2-4 years and then thrown into suicidal missions right? Buck did 1 year training and bootcamp, was an adult, and did more fighting than Carter. Carter is relatively new to the war starting his first real fights in 2535, so Buck has about 6 years more experience.
Okay, you know what I mean and what I'm referring to, does it bug you that much, if it does then that's -blam!- stupid. And oh yes, 6 more years of experience. Still, Carter went on missions ODSTs couldn't, that seems like it would grant more experience in the long term.
Do you understand why ODST's are the best? Because they are crazy suicidal. They will do anything to get the job done. They fall from orbit in a missle! Slam into the earth. Hell 12% of those who take the drop end up as slosh 30 feet under ground, or vaporized in atmosphere.
Spartan II's are the really experienced, starting at age 7, trained for 12 years, then deployed.
Spartan III's (Carter) have a few years training, already have attitude problems, and are bent on revenge because they are orphans of covenant genocide. So Spartan III's are genneraly 16-19 year olds when they start fighting. They are green, and used in massive fights like 300-400 of them attacking a covenant mining asteroid. Out of only a few missions have ANY of them come back from a mission (read ONYX). And so you have these awkward, misjudging spartan III's with no fine education about tatics or strategy that the Spartan II's get or ODST's get through battle.
You also have to take in effect cryo sleep. Buck looks young, but he's nearly 70-80 years old from all the space sleep. Carter as well has lost some years, so relatively Buck probably only has 10 world battles more than carter, but carter's team is a strike force. They get in and get out. They don't hold ground like ODST's do for days, or weeks at a time. Carter is a guerrilla fighter, where Buck is a seasoned veteran who finishes the job.
Couple things.
1. Buck is 42 biologically, not 70-80, that's Johnson.
2. Spartan-IIIs are suicidal too, hence being sent on suicide missions too hard for ODSTS and coming back until missions like PROMETHEUS and TORPEDO. They would also use drop pods. They also never retreated and would fight to the last man completing the job even if they died. They never failed unless we count Reach, but then we would have to say the ODSTs, Spartan-IIs, and the UNSC failed too.
3. Spartan-IIIs are trained by a Spartan-II and Mendez, taught math, writing, combat tactics, and various other lessons by AIs, which are far smarter than human teachers. So yes, being trained by the greatest warriors every produced by history and being taught by the most intelligent beings made by humans, it already beats ODST training.
4. Being hellbent to kill the Covenant is a good thing, makes them that much more motivated to kill the enemy.
5. Their operational history is much larger than PROMETHEUS and TORPEDO. They are hardly green when they met their ends.