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Subject: If Master Chief took on Six's role, would he have survived? Vic...

If Emile would have Armor Locked for 10 seconds, the Elites would have been stunned, deshielded, and knocked down by the EMP Shock wave. He could have Shotgunned and knifed them all.

  • 07.11.2011 3:27 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
If Chief was stranded on Reach like Six, he'd die. If Six made it on the Autumn and then to Halo, I'd wager she'd outperform Chief.


I agree.

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Posted by: TwinBucs123

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
If Chief was stranded on Reach like Six, he'd die. If Six made it on the Autumn and then to Halo, I'd wager she'd outperform Chief.


I agree.


Why?

  • 07.11.2011 3:31 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

chief wouldn't die due his luck, which is why threads like this are stupid

  • 07.11.2011 3:31 PM PDT

I wonder, where did all these arguments "Spartans III > Spartans II" and "Noble 6 > Chief" arguments came from?

Seriously, a few months ago everyone was laughing at the Spartans III (not really laughing, but a comparison between Spartans II and III would be ridiculous), saying how the Chief would easily defeat Noble 6, and how horrible the Reach campaign was, and now all of sudden everything is backwards!

  • 07.11.2011 3:32 PM PDT


Posted by: TwinBucs123

[quote]Posted by: DecepticonCobra
If Chief was stranded on Reach like Six, he'd die. If Six made it on the Autumn and then to Halo, I'd wager he'd outperform Chief.


Fix'd

  • 07.11.2011 3:32 PM PDT

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Posted by: Juan Teran
I wonder, where did all these arguments "Spartans III > Spartans II" and "Noble 6 > Chief" arguments came from?

Seriously, a few months ago everyone was laughing at the Spartans III (not really laughing, but a comparison between Spartans II and III would be ridiculous), saying how the Chief would easily defeat Noble 6, and how horrible the Reach campaign was, and now all of sudden everything is backwards!


Because the Spartan III's depicted in the books are ass kickers, 12 year olds killing thousands of Covenant troops without Titanium armor (That's why SPI is so light weighted and not so resistant). It's hard to not acknowledge feats like that.

[Edited on 07.11.2011 3:40 PM PDT]

  • 07.11.2011 3:40 PM PDT

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: Juan Teran
I wonder, where did all these arguments "Spartans III > Spartans II" and "Noble 6 > Chief" arguments came from?

Seriously, a few months ago everyone was laughing at the Spartans III (not really laughing, but a comparison between Spartans II and III would be ridiculous), saying how the Chief would easily defeat Noble 6, and how horrible the Reach campaign was, and now all of sudden everything is backwards!


Because the Spartan III's depicted in the books are ass kickers, 12 year olds killing thousands of Covenant troops without Titanium armor (That's why SPI is so light weighted and not so resistant). It's hard to not acknowledge feats like that.

well yea, but if you take away all the hype and just have the facts its pretty obvious. And of course bungie wants you to get hyped about them because halo is losing its wow factor. Back in the day you didn't need to hear all the stories about the spartan IIs being bad asses because you already knew they were badasses. But now that bungie gave us something knew, they need to make them seem like they are awesome but in reality the character you are playing is slower and weaker.

Thats why there are still threads like ODST vs spartans!!! there is no way an ODST can compete against a spartan, but because bungie needed to sell ODST they portrayed them as badasses. I'm not saying they arent, I'm just saying spartan IIs are much better when you look at the facts. They just don't go around flaunting it.

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Posted by: CB Visco

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Oh he could have done it!! He would have barely made it in time

Based on what?

Just look at how many times the MC has been surrounded and narrowly escaped. Through out the whole first game he fights through waves of enemies. He has gone straight through the heart of enemy strongholds and made it out alive. Truth and reconciliation, two betrayals, high charity twice!! once while the whole covenant is there and second with all the flood.

Like I said earlier, six just let himself get surrounded. Chief never let that happened to him. Only once in the halo 2 game trailer, and he still made it out alive!!


You sure know the facts, and know how to make a good point. But yes, I totally agree with you. Spartan 2's were to complete missions, even in the face of impossible odds. Spartan 3's were to also complete missions, but also die trying.

  • 07.11.2011 4:06 PM PDT


Posted by: jcgerrard8

Posted by: CB Visco

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Posted by: CB Visco
Oh he could have done it!! He would have barely made it in time

Based on what?

Just look at how many times the MC has been surrounded and narrowly escaped. Through out the whole first game he fights through waves of enemies. He has gone straight through the heart of enemy strongholds and made it out alive. Truth and reconciliation, two betrayals, high charity twice!! once while the whole covenant is there and second with all the flood.

Like I said earlier, six just let himself get surrounded. Chief never let that happened to him. Only once in the halo 2 game trailer, and he still made it out alive!!


You sure know the facts, and know how to make a good point. But yes, I totally agree with you. Spartan 2's were to complete missions, even in the face of impossible odds. Spartan 3's were to also complete missions, but also die trying.


They never died trying to complete the objective. Spartan III's ALWAYS got the mission done. Even if they died, the mission was completed, all objectives beat.

Besides, it's actually stated S3 training is BETTER then Spartan II training.

Fact is, given the gear and potential to get experience, a Spartan III can perform just as well as a Spartan II. Hence why Six can be just as good as the Chief.

IMO, Six could do the events of halo trilogy BETTER, simply from the fact he/she is a lone wolf and thus doesn't have the trouble Master Chief had adapting to fighting alone instead of with a team.

Edit: My god. "Six let himself get surrounded" Yeah... cause it's so easy to prevent yourself from being surrounded while in an open field.

Also, uprising much? Didn't chief get surrounded then as well?

Final fact. LOL at you. Taking the non-canon halo 2 e3 demo as canon?

[Edited on 07.11.2011 4:21 PM PDT]

  • 07.11.2011 4:17 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

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Posted by: CB Visco

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Posted by: CB Visco
Oh he could have done it!! He would have barely made it in time

Based on what?

Just look at how many times the MC has been surrounded and narrowly escaped. Through out the whole first game he fights through waves of enemies. He has gone straight through the heart of enemy strongholds and made it out alive. Truth and reconciliation, two betrayals, high charity twice!! once while the whole covenant is there and second with all the flood.

Like I said earlier, six just let himself get surrounded. Chief never let that happened to him. Only once in the halo 2 game trailer, and he still made it out alive!!


You sure know the facts, and know how to make a good point. But yes, I totally agree with you. Spartan 2's were to complete missions, even in the face of impossible odds. Spartan 3's were to also complete missions, but also die trying.


They never died trying to complete the objective. Spartan III's ALWAYS got the mission done. Even if they died, the mission was completed, all objectives beat.

Besides, it's actually stated S3 training is BETTER then Spartan II training.

Fact is, given the gear and potential to get experience, a Spartan III can perform just as well as a Spartan II. Hence why Six can be just as good as the Chief.

IMO, Six could do the events of halo trilogy BETTER, simply from the fact he/she is a lone wolf and thus doesn't have the trouble Master Chief had adapting to fighting alone instead of with a team.


You say that all Spartan 3's die completing their missions, yet Emile dies when he was supposed to be covering the Autunm with the MAC Gun?

And Six couldnt do the events of Halo better, even though he was a lone wolf, 3's were trained better simply because they relyed on Teamwork to survive. Spartan 2's were meant to survive by themselves, and didnt use teamwork as much as the 3's did

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: jcgerrard8

Posted by: CB Visco

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: CB Visco
Oh he could have done it!! He would have barely made it in time

Based on what?

Just look at how many times the MC has been surrounded and narrowly escaped. Through out the whole first game he fights through waves of enemies. He has gone straight through the heart of enemy strongholds and made it out alive. Truth and reconciliation, two betrayals, high charity twice!! once while the whole covenant is there and second with all the flood.

Like I said earlier, six just let himself get surrounded. Chief never let that happened to him. Only once in the halo 2 game trailer, and he still made it out alive!!


You sure know the facts, and know how to make a good point. But yes, I totally agree with you. Spartan 2's were to complete missions, even in the face of impossible odds. Spartan 3's were to also complete missions, but also die trying.


They never died trying to complete the objective. Spartan III's ALWAYS got the mission done. Even if they died, the mission was completed, all objectives beat.

Besides, it's actually stated S3 training is BETTER then Spartan II training.

Fact is, given the gear and potential to get experience, a Spartan III can perform just as well as a Spartan II. Hence why Six can be just as good as the Chief.

IMO, Six could do the events of halo trilogy BETTER, simply from the fact he/she is a lone wolf and thus doesn't have the trouble Master Chief had adapting to fighting alone instead of with a team.


Chief only had problems in his first fightt on the surface,but afterwards he did well.Fighting the flood,covies and sentinels alone is pretty impressive.

But there is one thing you forgot,how did you completed his missions?Stealth?Blew up innie bases with a nuke?...

All of that is important to know,if he just used stealth then he won't do well on Halo,as stealth is barely impossible when fighting the Flood head on in the library.

SIII training was better because they focused on other things,they training was shorter and i don't think they learned any maths or science like the SII's.

You also forgot that they were trained for teamwork,they wouldn't survive alone(six=exception)

  • 07.11.2011 4:24 PM PDT


Posted by: ShadowSpy117
If Emile would have Armor Locked for 10 seconds, the Elites would have been stunned, deshielded, and knocked down by the EMP Shock wave. He could have Shotgunned and knifed them all.
but sadly, emile heard too much crap on the reach forums to try it just to avoid hate.

  • 07.11.2011 4:27 PM PDT

A: chief still had troubles. Hell without cortana in his helm he was extremely uneasy. I remember chief not having a cakewalk through halo in The Flood.

B: Why would that make him any less skilled or as good as chief? Stealth, stealthy force, I highly -blam!- doubt he used a nuke all the time.

C: Point me to where advanced academics is important in the battlefield. Spartan III training was more on combat, tactics, and related things.

D: FALSE. Just because they received extensive training in how to act as a team DOES NOT DAMN THEM IF THEY ARE ALONE!

If that was true then Master Chief should've died on the PoA! why? Because his ENTIRE military career was fought in a team.

[Edited on 07.11.2011 4:34 PM PDT]

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
A: chief still had troubles. Hell without cortana in his helm he was extremely uneasy.

B: Why would that make him any less skilled or as good as chief? Stealth, stealthy force, I highly -blam!- doubt he used a nuke all the time.

C: Point me to where advanced academics is important in the battlefield. Spartan III training was more on combat, tactics, and related things.

D: FALSE. Just because they received extensive training in how to act as a team DOES NOT DAMN THEM IF THEY ARE ALONE!

If that was true then Master Chief should've died on the PoA! why? Because his ENTIRE military career was fought in a team.


A. Chief would have made it, even without Cortana (apart from High Charity)

B. Six would be as good as Chief in those terms. But not better, because John is more experienced.

C. If your intelligent then that comes in useful on about everything. My Uncle was in the Special forces, and he said that aswell as being strong, tough, fast etc, you also had to be very smart.

D. Your right, it doesnt damm them if they are alone, but it does lower their chances.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: CB Visco

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Posted by: CB Visco
Oh he could have done it!! He would have barely made it in time[/quote]
Based on what?

Just look at how many times the MC has been surrounded and narrowly escaped. Through out the whole first game he fights through waves of enemies. He has gone straight through the heart of enemy strongholds and made it out alive. Truth and reconciliation, two betrayals, high charity twice!! once while the whole covenant is there and second with all the flood.

Like I said earlier, six just let himself get surrounded. Chief never let that happened to him. Only once in the halo 2 game trailer, and he still made it out alive!!


You sure know the facts, and know how to make a good point. But yes, I totally agree with you. Spartan 2's were to complete missions, even in the face of impossible odds. Spartan 3's were to also complete missions, but also die trying.


They never died trying to complete the objective. Spartan III's ALWAYS got the mission done. Even if they died, the mission was completed, all objectives beat.

Besides, it's actually stated S3 training is BETTER then Spartan II training.

Fact is, given the gear and potential to get experience, a Spartan III can perform just as well as a Spartan II. Hence why Six can be just as good as the Chief.

IMO, Six could do the events of halo trilogy BETTER, simply from the fact he/she is a lone wolf and thus doesn't have the trouble Master Chief had adapting to fighting alone instead of with a team.


You say that all Spartan 3's die completing their missions, yet Emile dies when he was supposed to be covering the Autunm with the MAC Gun?

And Six couldnt do the events of Halo better, even though he was a lone wolf, 3's were trained better simply because they relyed on Teamwork to survive. Spartan 2's were meant to survive by themselves, and didnt use teamwork as much as the 3's did


that is soo backwards.

teamwork was an SIII crutch, SIIs depended on both team work and their own skills and they ALWAYS used teamwork hence them being used in teams not alone

  • 07.11.2011 4:37 PM PDT

Well, the Chief is just plain lucky, so yeah, he'd probably survive.

But Six could've very well filled in the role what the Chief did, though I like the Chief's more badass character more. Six has little character development.

  • 07.11.2011 4:39 PM PDT

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Posted by: DespotIsaac
Well, the Chief is just plain lucky, so yeah, he'd probably survive.

But Six could've very well filled in the role what the Chief did, though I like the Chief's more badass character more. Six has little character development.


Six had more character development in Reach than John did in CE, IMO.

  • 07.11.2011 4:41 PM PDT

jcgerrard8, so one example suddenly makes ALL Spartan III's suck? Besides, it was referring to them as a company, and squads, not as pure individuals.

I mean, let's look overall, Six remained behind because if he took the offer to get on the pelican, the mission would fail.

Saying it's a crutch IMO is... bleh. I'd say both relied on personal skills and teamwork just as equally. However, Spartan III's were trained to use better team tactics and strategies because they didn't have MJOLNIR and thus couldn't screw up.

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
jcgerrard8, so one example suddenly makes ALL Spartan III's suck? Besides, it was referring to them as a company, and squads, not as pure individuals.

I mean, let's look overall, Six remained behind because if he took the offer to get on the pelican, the mission would fail.

Saying it's a crutch IMO is... bleh. I'd say both relied on personal skills and teamwork just as equally. However, Spartan III's were trained to use better team tactics and strategies because they didn't have MJOLNIR and thus couldn't screw up.


Dont get me wrong, I love the 3's and would never think they suck. They had a huge impact on the war, and they are only late teens/early adults.

But everyone has their sides, and I personally prefer the 2's, but that doesnt mean the 3's suck.

  • 07.11.2011 4:52 PM PDT


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Posted by: CB Visco
Oh he could have done it!! He would have barely made it in time

Based on what?

Just look at how many times the MC has been surrounded and narrowly escaped. Through out the whole first game he fights through waves of enemies. He has gone straight through the heart of enemy strongholds and made it out alive. Truth and reconciliation, two betrayals, high charity twice!! once while the whole covenant is there and second with all the flood.

Like I said earlier, six just let himself get surrounded. Chief never let that happened to him. Only once in the halo 2 game trailer, and he still made it out alive!!


Six didn't let himself get surrounded, it's just at that at at Checkpoint Omega, there was no where else to go. He couldn't hide, or anything. He couldn't do much, he had no back up, limited ammo, and was probably exhausted by that point

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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact

A:And?Do you honestly expect that anyone would survive that fight without any scratch,he needed Cortana cause she provided him intel "go there" and "do that"...she is also fun to talk with.

B:Differences between his old missions and Halo.

As we know SIII's were always dropped into combat with the element of surprise,stealth and intel.ONI usually monitored any enemy activity in the target area looking at their behavior,guards,key targets and so on.

On Halo it's different,no intel,hostile aline environment,no stealth,no element of surprise,...

My point is because Six did well as a LW on his old missions doesn't means he would do well on Halo,which is completely different.In fact he is -blam!- screwed if he won't know how to activate Forerunner structures.Not all Humans could.

The reason why i think that he used a nuke on the innies is because they "dissapeared",if he killed them all with his gun then at least all of their bodies should remain behind unless Six piled them all and burns them.

C:That was my whole point,SIII training was tougher cause they didn't learned much about school subjects,they were immidiatley prepared to fight the covies on young age.

D:Read my post back,here is my backup:

"Pg 92
That's what the people said about the Spartan IIs who were the genetic cream of the crop and wore MJOLNIR armor.They could do the impossible,and do it alone.The Spartan IIIs ,though,would have to work together to survive.Be more family then fireteam."

  • 07.11.2011 4:56 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101
chief wouldn't die due his luck, which is why threads like this are stupid


Example of the arguement-less fanboyism i referred to

  • 07.11.2011 4:57 PM PDT
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Posted by: DespotIsaac
Well, the Chief is just plain lucky, so yeah, he'd probably survive.

But Six could've very well filled in the role what the Chief did, though I like the Chief's more badass character more. Six has little character development.


Six had more character development in Reach than John did in CE, IMO.


Why?

  • 07.11.2011 4:57 PM PDT

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