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Subject: People Whining about Halo 2 for Vista.
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Ok, I understand all that is going on at the moment about the whole no Windows XP thing, but there is nothing we can do about it. Us whining won't change a thing. There are also several reason why XP just won't work.

The first reason is because Halo 2 will be a 64-bit software, not 32-bit, meaning Windows XP will not be able to run it, I don't know what Microsoft and/or Bungie is going to do about the Windows x64 owners, but what ever they do will be in best intentions. The next reason is basicly, money, everyone is calling Bungie and/or Microsoft greedy, but what is wrong with money? We all love it, and all thye won't to do, is do the same thing they did with the original Xbox, sell a smash hit along with new hardware, but in this case, software. People, we don't even know what the system requirements are for this game. This game may make us wait a couple months before we can play it. I have not even built my pc yet, and this will be more of a reason to wait.

With this being said, consider that I am not trying to flame, criticize, or piss anyone off. Im just sttating facts and I hope you guys take this to heart. Once the game is released we can complain, but right now it is too early to criticize something that isn't even made yet.

[Edited on 2/28/2006]

  • 02.28.2006 4:32 PM PDT

* Pr: ĭnʹtərnĕts: "I hear there's rumors on the uh (pause), Internets...

I wish people would stop making these kind of threads.

  • 02.28.2006 4:39 PM PDT
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Not really, it'll probably be like twice the power of the xbox for system requirements, they'er probably gonna do texture and other various graphical updates to keep it up to date for the PC's release, also that was for the console PC's are different and not 100% devoted to gaming so the game is less optimized than for the console so it needs more resources to run well.

  • 02.28.2006 6:09 PM PDT
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Pretty much, they'll fix all the glitches that were left in Halo 2 (like the thingy when you exit the friends list)

  • 02.28.2006 6:23 PM PDT
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I highly doubt that Halo 2 PC will be 64 bit only... because so far Vista isnt.

  • 03.01.2006 12:15 AM PDT
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I think what makes a lot of people angry also is that Bungie blatantly lied to us when they said that the decision was not based at all on the plan of using Halo 2 to sell Vista. It was part of their decision, maybe a bigger part than they will tell.

Not everyone goes out and upgrades their OS the day a new one comes out. Many people wait 1-2 years to upgrade and others wait until they want to buy an entirely new computer. Halo 2 won't sell much until there has been a significant amount of time after Vista's release. And if it doesn't run well on most computers like Halo did, then it might not get a very good reception. My friend has a new top of the line computer and Halo still doesn't run without problems with graphics and speeds and such, there had better be massive improvements in Halo 2, because they're already receiving criticism about releasing it for Vista only.

  • 03.01.2006 3:30 PM PDT
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  • 03.01.2006 3:48 PM PDT

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Posted by: Lintal
Halo 2 won't sell much until there has been a significant amount of time after Vista's release.


D'oh! Guess that means there must be more to it than money grubbing!

Or did you think that you're the only person that realizes this; that somehow you've caught wind of something that some apparent army of evil bean counters somehow missed?

Or maybe right now you're finally reading what you're saying, and beginning to understand that yes, asserting that the reasoning for a Vista exclusive Halo 2 is financially driven is, in fact, quite silly?

Or at least understanding that starting a rant off with calling Bungie liars, asserting that you know what the reasoning is, and then arguing that the opposite reasoning is actually true makes you look fairly ridiculous.

  • 03.01.2006 3:49 PM PDT
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Posted by: Shishka
Posted by: Lintal
Halo 2 won't sell much until there has been a significant amount of time after Vista's release.


D'oh! Guess that means there must be more to it than money grubbing!

Or did you think that you're the only person that realizes this; that somehow you've caught wind of something that some apparent army of evil bean counters somehow missed?

Or maybe right now you're finally reading what you're saying, and beginning to understand that yes, asserting that the reasoning for a Vista exclusive Halo 2 is financially driven is, in fact, quite silly?

Or at least understanding that starting a rant off with calling Bungie liars, asserting that you know what the reasoning is, and then arguing that the opposite reasoning is actually true makes you look fairly ridiculous.


Bungie cannot fool everyone, I'm not arguing against my point, I'm saying that they made the decision because they wanted to help sell Vista and then I make the point that it will not work, perhaps I should have been clearer. The point remains, whatever platform or OS Halo 2 is made for will sell better because of it. But since Vista probably won't get many buys for a significant period of time after it's release, Halo 2 won't impact sales that much, even though that's what the plan is. Every OS after Windows 98 got lots of criticism, and I'd bet that Vista will have plenty of problems as well.

  • 03.01.2006 3:56 PM PDT
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You have an evil bean counter army? So THATS how you do things...

As I see things, you are arguing against yourself. Shishka is right, do you think you have realised something bungie has missed? Doubt it, bungie wouldn't make the game soley for vista just to make vista sell. They know, and microsoft knows, that it won't do much, if anything, to sell vista.

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ive got something else to say, are YOU making halo 2 for pc? no, they are and they can do what every they want, if they want it on vista, then there is apparently a reason why it needs to go on vista, if they could make it for XP they would, they would love to sell more copies, but it apparently wont work, because otherwise they would make it for xp and make more money, just think sometimes instead of posting something dumb, realizing its dumb, and still argueing for it. garsh!

  • 03.01.2006 4:06 PM PDT
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Posted by: Lintal
Posted by: Shishka
Posted by: Lintal
Halo 2 won't sell much until there has been a significant amount of time after Vista's release.

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Bungie cannot fool everyone, I'm not arguing against my point, I'm saying that they made the decision because they wanted to help sell Vista and then I make the point that it will not work, perhaps I should have been clearer. The point remains, whatever platform or OS Halo 2 is made for will sell better because of it. But since Vista probably won't get many buys for a significant period of time after it's release, Halo 2 won't impact sales that much, even though that's what the plan is. Every OS after Windows 98 got lots of criticism, and I'd bet that Vista will have plenty of problems as well.


did you ever stop to think that if someone with your obviously limited intellect can "figure out the plan" that they would possibly ALREADY KNOW ABOUT THIS?!?

bungie knows it might kill their sales. They knew before they made the decision. They probably never thought it would boost vista's sales, because obviously your limited use of syllogism has broken their "secret".

im gonna have to agree with shishka... the simple fact that it wont work proves it was never intended to boost sales to begin with.

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  • 03.02.2006 1:51 AM PDT
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er hum excuse me . i understand what u have just said but if i'm gonna get vista or halo2pc that would be in about more than 12 years time . because i can't just change my com with vista cause i had just got my new com here last week ! and i hadent heard this vista halo2 pc yet . so i will be like i dunno how many years old already ! ah this is just a wrong time this is in a mess

  • 03.02.2006 4:41 AM PDT
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i'll suggest that anyone here that doesnt have vista. DON'T get it then. and we'll see how Bungie shamed themselves.

  • 03.02.2006 4:58 AM PDT
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64 bit software will run on 32bit i do beleave. just like 32 bit oses work on 64bit cpus.

I still don't know why all the sudden 64 bit is a big deal it has been around for a while now so get over it. You guys it only been out recently for the x86 computers. WOW!!!

  • 03.02.2006 5:02 AM PDT
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Heyyo,

Now, I for one, running an AMD Athlon64 3200+, with windows XP x64 edition? I can say, just that I get a preformance boost.

Here's 32bit Halo1PC Benchmark:

Total Time=94.69s
Average frame rate=49.64fps
Below 5fps= 26% (time) 0% (frames) (25.089s spent in 11 frames)
Below 10fps= 27% (time) 0% (frames)
Below 15fps= 28% (time) 0% (frames)
Below 20fps= 28% (time) 0% (frames)
Below 25fps= 29% (time) 1% (frames)
Below 30fps= 30% (time) 1% (frames)
Below 40fps= 35% (time) 5% (frames)
Below 50fps= 45% (time) 13% (frames)
Below 60fps= 59% (time) 29% (frames)

Now... me running 64bit Halo1PC same settings

Total Time=76.94s
Average frame rate=61.09fps
Below 5fps= 35% (time) 0% (frames) (27.088s spent in 12 frames)
Below 10fps= 35% (time) 0% (frames)
Below 15fps= 35% (time) 0% (frames)
Below 20fps= 36% (time) 0% (frames)
Below 25fps= 36% (time) 0% (frames)
Below 30fps= 37% (time) 0% (frames)
Below 40fps= 39% (time) 2% (frames)
Below 50fps= 42% (time) 4% (frames)
Below 60fps= 50% (time) 11% (frames)

As you can see, I get quite the framerate boost just in that. Now think if Halo1PC were built in native 64bit? my framerates would be through the roof. Then again.. if it were more optimized to begin with.. but that's another thread. ;)

Anywho, this still shows that there would be a MASSIVE benefit for those with 64bit abilities that if they did make Halo2PC 64bit compatible, we'd truly see our cpus running at its full abilities. Cause yes, you guys running your cpus in 32bit versions of windows are pretty much using only maybe 70% of your cpus capabilities.

Anywho, I'm sure that H2PC will be both 32bit and 64bit... if anything? the 64bit would be a "maybe gonna happen."

They also did say they wanted H2PC to be superior to the Xbox version in every way. With vista? this will most likely happen. Main thing will be DX10. That'll make the game full of soo much eye candy the Xbox owners will be jealous. I loves it. ;)

  • 03.02.2006 10:56 AM PDT
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heres 1 point, as much as i love halo2, i wont be upgrading to vista just for halo2 pc, why, simple, i will have a xbox360 for halo3, so why would i bother with a current gen game, when i could get a next gen game

also, its bungies decision to make it for vista

(if origami has halo1 or 2 thou, ill buy a new piece of kit, just for portable halo :) )

  • 03.02.2006 11:22 AM PDT
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Nobody said you had to buy vista.... personally, im not going to buy vista just for halo 2, thats stupid, im going to buy it for the performance increase.

  • 03.02.2006 6:23 PM PDT
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i would never buy vista just for a game... thing is, im gettin it anyway for other reasons. so it really doesnt matter too much to me.

oh and

Posted by: Xeniczone
64 bit software will run on 32bit i do beleave. just like 32 bit oses work on 64bit cpus.

I still don't know why all the sudden 64 bit is a big deal it has been around for a while now so get over it. You guys it only been out recently for the x86 computers. WOW!!!


64 bit software wont run on a 32 bit cpu. its physically not possible. thats like saying you can fit a 18 wheeler through a tunnel with only 8 feet clearance.

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  • 03.02.2006 7:32 PM PDT
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Here's the loadout... With each upper bit processor, they need new commands, but at the same time, they keep the same old commands... That's why when you learn ASM, you learn it processor by processor. All 32 bit OSs will work on the 64bit but not reverse... Ok, now i'm sure then people would wonder why make a 64 bit processor and OS? It's not neccsarily faster though... The difference is that a 64 bit OS calculates 64 bits per cycle while a 32 bit processes 32 bits per cycle... BUT, at the same time, a 32 bit OS will only ever be able to activate a 32 bit capability... Leaving another 32 bits of a 64 bit processor unused. Now if you know anything about circutes, THEORETICALLY the 64 bit processor would actually be slower, but, of course they found a way to fix that. Now the real humor comes in when you think of how getting a 64 bit to run at the same speed requires advanced technology... Now if they were to use that 64 bit technology and mapping to make a 32 bit processor they could make a smaller processor. And smaller means faster on both the hardware and software side. 32 bit programs will only use the 32 bit functions and the 32 bits it declares to the processor for processing. But, a 64 bit processor would only be faster on a 64 bit OS because only a 64 bit OS knows how to use the 64 bit processor commands! And yes, that means despite different processor companies, the one who make the next bit processors in the line gets to name the commands.

Oh yea, and here's something that may make you wet yourself... win32 (winxp) runs on a 32 bit processor, and is 32 bit.. But some how... it has 64 bit support.... and even when running a 32 bit computer... if you don't beleive me... then tell me how you can have 0xFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF in the windows calculator? the highest 32 bit number is 0xFFFFFFFF. 0xFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF is twice that size(in bytes, the number itself is a heck of alot bigger).


Biggest 64 bit number: 18446744073709551615
Biggest 64 bit number with signing: 9223372036854775807
Biggest 32 bit number without signing: 4294967295
Biggest 32 bit number with signing: 2147483647

64 bit = 8 bytes
32 bit = 4 bytes

But anyone notice in C++ the long double type is 19 bytes?

Anyone want to take a look to see how high that can go? lol

  • 03.02.2006 9:40 PM PDT
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if a number is longer than 32 bits in a 32 bit environment the cpu can truncate it and use two clocks to process it. at least thats how it was explained to me.

  • 03.03.2006 12:45 AM PDT