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Subject: Warning/Ban Messages

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Posted by: chubbz
Sounds like someone was warned and didn't like it.
Yeah, but probably not who you think. :-P

  • 07.12.2011 4:05 PM PDT

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Posted by: chubbz
Sounds like someone was warned and didn't like it.


Sounds like someone is prone to committing informal fallacies. Try to address what the OP says in future.

  • 07.12.2011 4:08 PM PDT

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Posted by: A Citizen
Wait... Wasn't Skibur a ninja? I really need to get back in the loop...
It's been like a year and a half...

Posted by: chubbz
Sounds like someone was warned and didn't like it.
That's not at all what this is about.

[Edited on 07.12.2011 4:34 PM PDT]

  • 07.12.2011 4:10 PM PDT
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I'd like to quote Halo53 here and say qft.

Good post brothix.

  • 07.12.2011 7:12 PM PDT

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This has been, by far, one of the most mature arguments/discussions I have had here on Bnet. This thread, however, has just passed the critical point where it goes from a continuous conversation to replies to the OP and same page.

In response to some recent posts (well, 3 hours ago recent), I agree that some clarification is warranted in Warning/Ban message from the Soul; however, it is just as easy to PM the associated moderator and ask politely for a reason, thus differentiating yourself from a ne'er-do-well forum troll.

I personally disagree with intent being interpreted and being involved with the delivery of Warnings/Bans, but intent should be used to measure the severity thereof.

Thanks for the wonderful conversation, I bid this thread adieu.

[Edited on 07.12.2011 7:19 PM PDT]

  • 07.12.2011 7:19 PM PDT

We miss you Logan.
Ask any question. I'll help with anything on site or off.

Nice thread ,by the way ,but I remeber from a harsh ban I got a while back from achronos that there is a link ,and sometimes a quote in the ban messages.Now some moderators just ban and put the link in.Now if some one had a question about the ban they should just ask about it instead of complain about the ban message.I also don't no the full story on what happened so don't mind me.

[Edited on 07.12.2011 7:29 PM PDT]

  • 07.12.2011 7:27 PM PDT

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Posted by: machinimagames
don't no the full story on what happened so don't mind me.


Yeah I stumbled upon this thread as a hot-topic and it's a bit difficult to grasp what the moderators are saying without the full picture in view? What the heck happend?

  • 07.12.2011 7:32 PM PDT

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Posted by: Skibur
I hate to go down this road, but there have been cases of moderators doing almost the exact same thing that members have been banned for.

In this case the moderator would be given the benefit of the doubt because you would think that they of all people would know the rules. You would assume that they would not intentionally break the rules.

I'm suggesting that this should apply to more people than just the moderators.


I have plenty of examples saved of where a certain mod has posted stuff that if the normal member posted would most likely get banned.

  • 07.12.2011 8:13 PM PDT

"I hope nothing, I fear nothing, I am free"
"A person needs a little madness, or else they never dare cut the rope and be free." - Nikos Kazantzakis
"The ink of the scholar is more holy than the blood of martyrs" - Hasan al-Basri
Black Chapter, for all religious and political debate that doesn't fit in the Flood.

Posted by: elmicker
Next up: Messages that just don't make sense.

You know who you are.
It shows the power of the human brain that when I read that particular ban message I saw nothing wrong with it until it was pointed out. Once it was seen, it could not be unseen.

Posted by: elmicker
Posted by: Viva la VacheWho the -blam!- is malice?
Odd trivia: I've seen this performed live and know the lead singer's daughter personally. Very pretty girl. I did have to work fairly hard to get a crowd singing 'Alice? Alice? Who the -blam!- is Alice?!', though.

Posted by: Recon Number 54
Remember how it used to be? 7 and 14 or permas? We would have to warn publicly (which was determined to be a calling out, embarrassing, and harmed the delicate psyches of our more sensitive members) or we could send PM's (normally ignored). So, 3 day bans were created and they were "the warning".
If I'm honest, public warnings are the best kind of warnings. The main problem with public warnings is that there's no kind of record of them, so combining a public warning with a Soul warning allows for other moderators to keep track of warnings while also providing a useful note to the rest of the community.

Allowing you to create a warning post, which in essence automatically sends a warning to the user in question linking back to the warning post, might be a nice touch.

Moderators being active and saying things like 'stay on topic chaps, try not to bump between updates unless it's actual discussion' and so forth works. Some days a public warning is beneficial to the community, other times a private warning might be more relevant.

I'm fairly certain that in almost every ban or warning I've received (bar the first, the second was fairly obvious as well, though I asked anyway) I've asked for clarification on what it was for. The shorter the ban length, the more confusing the reasons seem to get. Of course, actually appealing a ban that short is a nightmare, and usually devolves to "let's be honest, you probably deserved a ban for something at some point, so this is just karma" whenever you attempt it.

They're hardly self explanatory, and they aren't linked to the post, either.

  • 07.12.2011 9:20 PM PDT
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Posted by: r c takedown
Yax is a shining beacon in these dark times. You should all strive to be more like Yax.

Posted by: elmicker
Also, that reminds me. Can we please oh please have the specific post that the moderator took action against included with the ban message? You've no idea how irritating it is to receive a message that links to a page containing several of your posts, and the most vague of ban reasons telling you what you apparently did wrong, with no actual reference to what you posted and what was actually wrong with it.
You're forgetting the fact that it's not even a real link. So we have to copy the url and paste it in to our address bar and then scour the thread to try and determine which specific post was the offending one.

And then, of course, there's the fact that we can't see our own posts when we are banned so we can't even find it and reflect on what we did.

Why not reveal banned posts to the culprit and nobody else?

  • 07.12.2011 9:38 PM PDT

"I hope nothing, I fear nothing, I am free"
"A person needs a little madness, or else they never dare cut the rope and be free." - Nikos Kazantzakis
"The ink of the scholar is more holy than the blood of martyrs" - Hasan al-Basri
Black Chapter, for all religious and political debate that doesn't fit in the Flood.

I've been complaining about that one for, oh, a good [url=www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=34313003&pos tRepeater1-p=1]two years[/url] now. Nothing done about it in that time. The moderator response was 'if you can't remember what you've posted, perhaps you're not thinking enough before you post'.

More to the point, why not let everyone see what a user was banned for and why they were banned? Collapse the post and let people view it if they so wish. If it's a shock site, you'd need another method, but that's an aside.

Edit: Though, to expand on this point, I was banned for three days by Duardo for being 'slightly mean' (paraphrase) to another user, yet when I ran it past every moderator I know, only Qbix could find reason to ban me, and it was for something totally different. (I made an offhand comment in Spanish on the same page, going against the English only policy of the forum) Because the master mods were afk that weekend, I couldn't appeal the ban, and once it was over I was just asked what I was complaining about, despite the fact the ban had no merit whatsoever.

The converse to that is, obviously, a warning from Yoozel that covered every post on the page.

Oh, and if you regularly post replies beyond a certain length, you can't even see most of what you've written. Improvements need making, yo.

[Edited on 07.12.2011 9:52 PM PDT]

  • 07.12.2011 9:42 PM PDT

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  • 07.12.2011 9:43 PM PDT
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Posted by: r c takedown
Yax is a shining beacon in these dark times. You should all strive to be more like Yax.

Posted by: Primum Agmen
More to the point, why not let everyone see what a user was banned for and why they were banned? Collapse the post and let people view it if they so wish. If it's a shock site, you'd need another method, but that's an aside.
I'd support something like this but I didn't bother mentioning it because there's really no point. We probably won't even get real links any time soon.

Anyway, they could have two methods. They could have the "collapse-all" idea you said but also keep the current method of hiding all their posts. And they could just use the latter for people who post shock sites and the like, or maybe even just anybody with a permanent ban. And the former for everybody else.

  • 07.12.2011 9:48 PM PDT

"I hope nothing, I fear nothing, I am free"
"A person needs a little madness, or else they never dare cut the rope and be free." - Nikos Kazantzakis
"The ink of the scholar is more holy than the blood of martyrs" - Hasan al-Basri
Black Chapter, for all religious and political debate that doesn't fit in the Flood.

An even older complaint on the same subject.

Yeah, I suppose posting a shock site is a perma-ban, so maintaining the current system for permas and having collapsing posts for those merely banned might work out.

Edit: Older still.

[Edited on 07.12.2011 9:58 PM PDT]

  • 07.12.2011 9:54 PM PDT

OMG get the flag!!!!

I love Bungie! and hope 343 takes good care of Halo!

Is this about me? because I recieved a warning

  • 07.12.2011 9:55 PM PDT
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Posted by: Primum Agmen
why not let everyone see what a user was banned for and why they were banned? Collapse the post and let people view it if they so wish.
Exactly.

If the decision was justified then what's the harm in showing it?

  • 07.12.2011 9:56 PM PDT
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"Just as the wave cannot exist for itself, but is ever a part of the heaving surface of the ocean, so must I never live my life for itself, but always in the experience which is going on around me.” - Albert Schweitzer

I agree. I feel sort of lost when people are having a discussion about something that was deleted, or removed, because the person was banned.

:D

Posted by: Skibur
Posted by: Primum Agmen
why not let everyone see what a user was banned for and why they were banned? Collapse the post and let people view it if they so wish.
Exactly.

If the decision was justified then what's the harm in showing it?

  • 07.12.2011 9:59 PM PDT