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Just a little curious, a random thought I had...

I got to thinking about private groups, and how certain topics sometimes show up in them about certain users.
Generally, the user has no knowledge of the threads/posts.
I think its safe to say that in many circumstances, if they had known about these threads/posts, they would definitely 'find embarrassing or which may cause distress, unwanted attention or discomfort to them.'.


Basically my question is, if even if they have no knowledge of the interactions between other members, does it still violate the CoC?

Easiest to understand: If I were to make a post about a user, that the user may find embarrassing or may cause them distress or unwanted attention, in a private group and the user themselves doesn't see or hear about it; Does it still violate the CoC?

At its core: If a tree falls in the woods, and no one is there to hear it, does it still make a sound?

  • 07.12.2011 12:30 PM PDT

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That CoC needs a general re-write, to be honest.

  • 07.12.2011 12:33 PM PDT

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Good point here.This includes material which a user may find embarrassing or which may cause distress, unwanted attention or discomfort to them.Guess that means half the site needs to be marked as a COC violation cause everyone is trashing others under the "embarrassing or which may cause distress, unwanted attention or discomfort" area.

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  • 07.12.2011 12:41 PM PDT

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  • 07.12.2011 12:44 PM PDT

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Posted by: ImTriForceGuy
This includes material which a user may find embarrassing or which may cause distress, unwanted attention or discomfort to them.

So we have 4 possible causes for offense, and so the question is whether or not a user has to be aware of the existence of the offending thread for there to be an offense.

The first of these is "embarassing" and for something to embarass someone, they must know it exists. No problem here. And I think the same can be said for the last of the four, "may cause discomfort".

The other three to causing distress or unwanted attention, and both of these can be affected on a user without the user being aware of the source.

So in short, I think the answer is that those thread probably can violate the CoC.

  • 07.12.2011 12:49 PM PDT
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Well, here we are. I guess that it was destined to come to this.

If a tree falls in the woods....

If someone makes a group or is in a group and slags/slanders/insults me all day long, I couldn't care less.

On the public forums, that is a disruption. One that I might allow for a short time in The Flood (if the target is me). If the target is another user (regardless of location), I am acting on the side of caution and at the very least locking it, likely banning any participants in the hate-fest.

Why would I allow it to go on if it is about me? Two reasons.

One, it is possible that the member(s) have a serious issue or gripe with me and I am not inclined to silence them out of hand lest I appear unable or unwilling to listen/accept criticism.

Secondly, If I can demonstrate tolerance and acceptance of opposing views, even insults, perhaps it can inspire other members to have thicker skin and not as quickly get defensive when they are offended.

Oh, and then there is the fact that I am a shameless and utter attention whore and will do ANYTHING to feed my enormous ego. Almost forgot about that.

  • 07.12.2011 12:49 PM PDT

I suppose as long as they don't know about it, no harm done. No one is going to complain otherwise...

  • 07.12.2011 12:56 PM PDT

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Posted by: spawn031
Protip: Bungie Private groups aren't actually private. The webteam can access them anytime they want without approval.

I consider anything posted on these forums, the mains or private groups, as something that has to potential to be seen by anyone even if it is just by word of mouth.

I would argue that the individual's awareness of the negative things being said about them is irrelevant. That kind of activity on this site still very much goes against the "Play nice, don't be a jerk" portion of the CoC, in my opinion.

  • 07.12.2011 1:42 PM PDT
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Well, here we are. I guess that it was destined to come to this.

If it really came down to it, I suppose that the webteam could use that as reason to discipline not only the participants, but the admins/moderators of the group for allowing such content.

But (IMO) the offense would need to be more than simple negative statements. For example, if there were actual threats, plans or statements of intent to actually harm someone? Oh yeah that would qualify as a serious breach of the CoC for the whole site and for the agreement made while creating a group.

If ANY member has/sees something like that going on in their group(s), they should speak to the group admins AND someone on the webteam.

  • 07.12.2011 2:01 PM PDT

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Posted by: mubox47
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It's an interesting question. But there are loads of things that go against the CoC in private groups, and because they go unnoticed they continue to happen. Occasionally something will surface in these forums about them though, and in the past the Web Team has actually intervened.

I remember one time when there was a group that was completely based on something that was blatantly against the CoC, and it continued unnoticed for quite some time. But eventually members began trolling and spamming invites, and Achronos took notice and actually shut down the group.

Another instance also comes to mind that's actually more related to your topic. There was a big debate in this forum about Elitism and Trolling in the H3, Reach, and Optimatch forums. During the debate a User was mentioning how a certain group looked down on a portion of the community, and that if he knew they would troll a topic he could post a link to it in the group, but because he didnt actually tell them to troll it there was no rule being broken. He later posted a picture of the group's forum to show what he meant, and in the picture there was a topic about me. The user was banned minutes later. I don't know the exact reason he was, but i'd imagine it's because he proved that he took part in breaking the CoC within this group.

  • 07.12.2011 2:19 PM PDT
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  • 07.12.2011 2:20 PM PDT

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Posted by: Recon Number 54
If someone makes a group or is in a group and slags/slanders/insults me all day long, I couldn't care less.



Oh really? "lightbulb"

But if this COC thing can be beleived, within reason, could i report anything to the moderators on the idea that it makes me uncormfortable?

I know achronos has often said "we give the ninjas free rein to interprit (im a spelling derper) the rules as they like" but there has to be a line.

  • 07.12.2011 2:32 PM PDT
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Well, here we are. I guess that it was destined to come to this.

Posted by: da bomb drop
Posted by: Recon Number 54
If someone makes a group or is in a group and slags/slanders/insults me all day long, I couldn't care less.
Oh really? "lightbulb"

But if this COC thing can be beleived, within reason, could i report anything to the moderators on the idea that it makes me uncormfortable?

I know achronos has often said "we give the ninjas free rein to interprit (im a spelling derper) the rules as they like" but there has to be a line.

I have gotten messages from members who were complaining that someone disagreeing with them (civilly from my perspective) were "making them uncomfortable" and demanding that I "do something about this person".

I referred them to the sentence preceeding the one they were referring to. Here's the whole thing, my point underlined, theirs italicized.

The Bungie Web Sites and the services provided therein are not to be used to transmit any unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, hateful or racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable content, as determined by any Bungie Web Sites employee, designee or admin. This includes material which a user may find embarrassing or which may cause distress, unwanted attention or discomfort to them. It also includes vulgar and abusive language, even when masked by symbolic characters, and includes login names, screen names and club names.

We reserve the right to remove, at any time and without notice, any user or group for violations of this Code of Conduct.


I read that to mean that while a member can be embarrassed, distressed, or discomforted, it is still up to an employee, designee or admin to make a determination whether the "offense" warrants a response.

In some cases, my response has been "if you are this easily offended, then perhaps you should reconsider participating in an open exchange of ideas and thoughts on the Internet. At least until you are capable of discerning disagreement from an insult." Of course, once I say something like that, if the person is that easily offended, they think that I am attacking them and "defend themselves" according to their previous pattern of response.


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  • 07.12.2011 2:44 PM PDT

Feel free to send me messages, please be willing to wait 6-8 years for a reply.

1-7 hours if you at least tried to make it readable.

Immediately if you are Yax, Telec, or legendary.

Never if you are mythic, you guys smell funny.

Fair enough i guess, just being nosy.

  • 07.12.2011 2:48 PM PDT
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If you didn't know prior to 2007 (?) that enhanced interrogation techniques were used against terrorists were you bothered by it? Probably not. Same applies here. If you don't know someone is talking crap about you it's not causing you harm.

  • 07.12.2011 3:39 PM PDT