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Subject: 343, Fix the Canon Break... Oh Wait... Ok You Can Lock this Now lol :)

I saw the Halo Anniversary trailer, and I very much liked it. However I, as the very attentive Halo fan I am, noticed that the MA5B... has been fixed!!

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Bungie you can lock this now if you want lol idc

[Edited on 07.18.2011 12:57 PM PDT]

  • 07.12.2011 12:38 PM PDT
Subject: 343, The MA5B and MA37 are Two VERY Different Weapons.

"Hey! I heard you fellas taste.... just like chicken!!"

I kinda agree. Im a very attentive player too to different series I have played from the beginning.

1: Is there really no way to make the classic Halo 1 MA5B more mmodern in looks when it comes to asthetics and graphics?

2: Ma37 looks like it got stripped for the rifles oute shell, it looks rougher, more detailed in functions? Ergo I hope, that what we saw is just placeholder.

3: It should be simple to get the good ol MA5B look back. Just look at Halo 3 and ODST its ALMOST the same rifle (MA5c). Just clean out its differences from the MA5B and improve the graphics to the Reach graphic standard.


BTW. http://www.halopedian.com/Halo:_Combat_Evolved_Anniversary

According to O'Connor, John-117's abnormally proportioned helmet from the announcement trailer was being fixed prior to the trailer's release, though it was not completed in time to appear in the final E3 trailer.

This bit eased me down a bit maybe the same thing goes for certain other canon things in Halo CE:A, well like with the MA5B ;) Maybe they didnt get the rifle remastered for the E3 trailer either.

[Edited on 07.12.2011 1:07 PM PDT]

  • 07.12.2011 12:59 PM PDT


Posted by: Roderick
I kinda agree. Im a very attentive player too to different series I have played from the beginning.

1: Is there really no way to make the classic Halo 1 MA5B more mmodern in looks when it comes to asthetics and graphics?

2: Ma37 looks like it got stripped for the rifles oute shell, it looks rougher, more detailed in functions? Ergo I hope, that what we saw is just placeholder.

3: It should be simple to get the good ol MA5B look back. Just look at Halo 3 and ODST its ALMOST the same rifle (MA5c). Just clean out its differences from the MA5B and improve the graphics to the Reach graphic standard.


BTW. http://www.halopedian.com/Halo:_Combat_Evolved_Anniversary

According to O'Connor, John-117's abnormally proportioned helmet from the announcement trailer was being fixed prior to the trailer's release, though it was not completed in time to appear in the final E3 trailer.

This bit eased me down a bit maybe the same thing goes for certain other canon things in Halo CE:A, well like with the MA5B ;) Maybe they didnt get the rifle remastered for the E3 trailer either.


I hope that is the case.

  • 07.12.2011 1:08 PM PDT

Gimme an MA-75.

  • 07.12.2011 1:43 PM PDT

EVERYONE.

  • 07.12.2011 1:57 PM PDT
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(RYE-SON-DE-TREE) = Reason To Be aka HALO

From CE all the way to Reach, '01-'10. Bungie stole a Decade of my life. But SO worth it!!!

Thank god, I thought I was the only one who noticed that.

And before anyone complains I do know that the MA5's and the MA37 are in the same weapons family. And Im not hating on the MA37. In fact I like its grittier appearance. But if you think they are interchangable then you dont know about this word - CANON.

I dont remember once seeing an MA37 in CE. So lets hope its in the trailer just to show the graphics work they did on CEA. and not an attempt at RETCON

Although if they do Im sure they will say its a "Stripped down" MA5B or some other excuse for letting this slip in.

Example: Its like saying the M-14 can replace the M-1 Garand in a WWII film or game cause they are in the same weapons family. NO IT DOES NOT!!!!


[Edited on 07.12.2011 2:06 PM PDT]

  • 07.12.2011 2:03 PM PDT
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(RYE-SON-DE-TREE) = Reason To Be aka HALO

From CE all the way to Reach, '01-'10. Bungie stole a Decade of my life. But SO worth it!!!


Posted by: chickenlittle
EVERYONE.



Lmao I have a version of that taped to my office door. But its a Chameleon. Might have to switch

  • 07.12.2011 2:05 PM PDT

OP updated with two pictures at the bottom.

  • 07.12.2011 4:40 PM PDT

I am thinking of putting this on the 343 fourms to try to get their attention.

  • 07.12.2011 6:06 PM PDT

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Posted by: the omega man117
I am thinking of putting this on the 343 fourms to try to get their attention.
They know. The trailer was made from an incomplete game, just for the sake of getting one out by E3. They're still fixing up models, graphics and MC's armor.

  • 07.12.2011 6:11 PM PDT
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The assault rife has only changed aesthetically.

  • 07.12.2011 7:04 PM PDT


Posted by: Kannan
The assault rife has only changed aesthetically.


If by "changed" you mean that the 3D model has been completely replaced by the MA37 then yes it has. That = canon break.

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  • 07.12.2011 7:37 PM PDT

"Die? Didn't you know? Spartans never die." - Kurt-051's last words.

I agree. It's like using the DMR model as the BR55 for Halo 4.

They are two different weapons.

  • 07.12.2011 10:06 PM PDT

Team Unicorns all the way!

Yes OP the assault rifle, MC's helmet, and the Marines were all placeholders for the E3 trailer. Everyone can now calm down...

  • 07.13.2011 10:00 AM PDT
Subject: 343, Fix the Canon Break. The MA5B and MA37 are Two Different Weapons!

Listen, and listen good. The Studios in charge of Halo:CEA have not been able to implement the final graphics. Like the funny looking MC helmet they had even said they were able to put in several things into the first trailer.

  • 07.13.2011 11:08 AM PDT

Well its not canon to the books but I would think it would be canon to the game. In halo reach, the pillar of autumn leaves reach, which has the assault rifle from reach. did the same gun change somehow while the pillar of autumn was in space? But like I said, thats only canon to the game and not the books.

  • 07.13.2011 1:51 PM PDT


Posted by: lionwitchhunter
Well its not canon to the books but I would think it would be canon to the game. In halo reach, the pillar of autumn leaves reach, which has the assault rifle from reach. did the same gun change somehow while the pillar of autumn was in space? But like I said, thats only canon to the game and not the books.


The MA37 is NOT issued to the UNSC Navy. The Pillar of Autumn NEVER had them in stock. There is NO canon reason why they would have them.

The MA37 in Halo:CEA = unecisary cannon break.

  • 07.13.2011 5:52 PM PDT
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Well we've got a long time until Halo Anniversary comes out. And as someone said, it could be just a low res placeholder borrowed from Reach.

As long as it has a 60 round mag. I'm happy. Man, have I missed having that.

[Edited on 07.13.2011 6:14 PM PDT]

  • 07.13.2011 6:14 PM PDT

Wake me,....When you need me....

Actually thats what the AR looks like with HD graphics but its not the 37 because the mag is 60 and not 32. Thats the only wway to explain it, thats what the gun looks like in hd haha.

  • 07.14.2011 1:24 PM PDT

I don't think so. 343i said a lot of what was seen is placeholders.

  • 07.14.2011 5:55 PM PDT


Posted by: the omega man117

Posted by: lionwitchhunter
Well its not canon to the books but I would think it would be canon to the game. In halo reach, the pillar of autumn leaves reach, which has the assault rifle from reach. did the same gun change somehow while the pillar of autumn was in space? But like I said, thats only canon to the game and not the books.


The MA37 is NOT issued to the UNSC Navy. The Pillar of Autumn NEVER had them in stock. There is NO canon reason why they would have them.

The MA37 in Halo:CEA = unecisary cannon break.

Well according to the cutscene with the pillar of autumn in halo reach, everyone had the MA37. Like I said, makes sense to the games but not the books.

  • 07.14.2011 6:26 PM PDT

Posted by: lionwitchhunter

Posted by: the omega man117

Posted by: lionwitchhunter
Well its not canon to the books but I would think it would be canon to the game. In halo reach, the pillar of autumn leaves reach, which has the assault rifle from reach. did the same gun change somehow while the pillar of autumn was in space? But like I said, thats only canon to the game and not the books.


The MA37 is NOT issued to the UNSC Navy. The Pillar of Autumn NEVER had them in stock. There is NO canon reason why they would have them.

The MA37 in Halo:CEA = unecisary cannon break.

Well according to the cutscene with the pillar of autumn in halo reach, everyone had the MA37. Like I said, makes sense to the games but not the books.

That was an Army variation of the same pelican from Halo 1 and 2. You can tell because they have the co-pilot seat behind the pilot seat, but still have the same shape as the Halo 1 and 2 pelican. Go watch some cutscenes in Halo 2. The seats are next to eachother because they are Navy pelicans.

The pelican in Halo 3 and ODST are a completely new and different varient taking the seating arrangment of the old pelican and making a whole new body.

The pelican in that cutscene had ARMY troopers with ARMY MA37s because they were on an ARMY pelican.

The USNC army had their own variation of everything to aid in their planetary defense duties. They even had their own variation of the Halo 3 pistol. They even had their own sniper rifle that was used exclusively by them. All the Human weapons in Halo Reach are army weapons.

End of story. The end. I win. You lose.




  • 07.14.2011 6:46 PM PDT
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you are completely right about the assault rifle models. the MA37 and, MA5B are completely different models and need to be respected as so. Having an MA37 with the ammo counter holding an extra 28 bullets doesn't automatically make it an MA5B. im agreeing with you on that fact that the weapon models are different in design, but i think the reason 343i is recreating the MA5B assault rifle with the MA37 assault rifle is for production time. Due to them having to release the game on the exact date Halo:CE came out 10 years ago it makes there Code masters short on time for recreating an complete Remastered model of the original MA5B.

  • 07.14.2011 8:14 PM PDT

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Posted by: CND AAA Beef
Well we've got a long time until Halo Anniversary comes out. And as someone said, it could be just a low res placeholder borrowed from Reach.

As long as it has a 60 round mag. I'm happy. Man, have I missed having that.
Confirmed to have a 60 round mag.

  • 07.14.2011 8:24 PM PDT


Posted by: Zach0nation95
you are completely right about the assault rifle models. the MA37 and, MA5B are completely different models and need to be respected as so. Having an MA37 with the ammo counter holding an extra 28 bullets doesn't automatically make it an MA5B. im agreeing with you on that fact that the weapon models are different in design, but i think the reason 343i is recreating the MA5B assault rifle with the MA37 assault rifle is for production time. Due to them having to release the game on the exact date Halo:CE came out 10 years ago it makes there Code masters short on time for recreating an complete Remastered model of the original MA5B.


To update the assault rifle's look all you would have to do is increase the resolution of the texture, add in some scratches and stuff, and some new mussle flash and done. Check the picture I linked at the bottom of the OP. It shows what I think the final remake AR should look like. It has the same general look but it is high resolution and the screen has more of a glowing effect. Combine that with the new lighting effects in the game and it should look awesome. Now all I can hope for is that 343 makes the MA5B look like that picture...

  • 07.14.2011 8:46 PM PDT

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