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Subject: The direction halo is going.

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Posted by: grey101
I honestly hope chief gets killed at the end of the trilogy so the only games that can be done with him are prequels and 343 can do something else.

Like seriously do they understand how many games could be based around an arbiter/spec ops elite? The you have Spartan IIIs, ODSTs, The rainforest wars/WWIII (call of duty/battlefield).

There is alot that can be done through games if they just man up and dump the chief


I absolutely love the chief. His games are arguably the best in the series. That said, Exploring into the Elites or back to ODST's seems the best thing to do.

Rather, I don't understand why joint campaigns like Halo 2 haven't been done again. I feel Halo 3 would've been much better if the Arbiter still retained his own campaign missions, but in some levels Chief is a friendly AI, and in others Arbiter is a friendly AI.

Reach would've been much better if it had a type of joint campaign between Noble and Red teams.

Anyway, I don't think the chief needs dumped. He's been out of the limelight for the last 4 years, and the Halo series has definitely suffered from it. Rather than completely getting rid of chief, having him share the spotlight with someone else would be better.

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Posted by: grey101
Like seriously do they understand how many games could be based around an arbiter/spec ops elite? The you have Spartan IIIs, ODSTs, The rainforest wars/WWIII (call of duty/battlefield).

There is alot that can be done through games if they just man up and dump the chief
I think the main point of showing the article is to point out that Microsoft doesn't like the ODSTs and the Spartan III's: as if they want to sweep them under the rug and get back to "-blam!- YEAH, THE CHIEF IS BADASS!11!@". I honestly don't like where this is going, if it's going with that attitude, and like XSEAN on Page 1, I can't say much for it.

[Edited on 07.13.2011 6:55 AM PDT]

  • 07.13.2011 6:54 AM PDT

It seems as though they are wanting to abandon anonymous characters, and thus, complete and total player immersion. It just doesn't seem right. Whenever I play as Master Chief, I don't feel like I'm of any importance at all, I'm playing as somebody that is not my Spartan, but somebody who is owned by a super-corporation that runs 90 percent of the world's electronics.

  • 07.13.2011 6:56 AM PDT

Wouldn't mind him being a side-character. Mainly in a Covenant War/rebel conflict era games, but maybe post-new trilogy as well.

Basically he pops in occasionally, but isn't the main character.

IMO, if he doesn't get killed off, he needs to at the least get beaten in some way. I'd love 343 to show the Master Chief isn't this unstoppable god who did the halo events with no problems to shut up the raging fanbase of him. (Aka the ones who try to tear you apart if you even vaguely hint at not loving chief completely and worshiping him)

Edit: Sadly it seems like such a move would instantly be shot down by microsoft games :(. I really wanna hear Frankie's/343's comments on those statements.

[Edited on 07.13.2011 6:59 AM PDT]

  • 07.13.2011 6:56 AM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Wouldn't mind him being a side-character. Mainly in a Covenant War/rebel conflict era games, but maybe post-new trilogy as well.

Basically he pops in occasionally, but isn't the main character.

IMO, if he doesn't get killed off, he needs to at the least get beaten in some way. I'd love 343 to show the Master Chief isn't this unstoppable god who did the halo events with no problems to shut up the raging fanbase of him. (Aka the ones who try to tear you apart if you even vaguely hint at not loving chief completely and worshiping him)


All of this. ALL OF IT. READ IT FANBOYS. READ IT!

  • 07.13.2011 6:59 AM PDT

Here's a good question. Can you stand looking at purple and blue structures for 10 hours straight? Do you really wanna play as the Covenant that bad? 343 is interested in the Chief's story and the majority feel the same. I feel the same. It's been a while and i don't wanna play some little fight, I wanna take part in the big fight.

  • 07.13.2011 7:01 AM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

I think most of you are just over-reacting.

"OH GOD MICROSOFT CLEARLY HATES ODST AND REACH BECAUSE THEY ARE BRINGING THE CHIEF BACK. HALO IS RUINED?!"

Really guys, you're jumping the gun. Wait until we see more of Halo 4 before you make such statements.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

Any forerunner would rip chief to shreds if the had to

  • 07.13.2011 7:02 AM PDT


Posted by: privet caboose
I think most of you are just over-reacting.

"OH GOD MICROSOFT CLEARLY HATES ODST AND REACH BECAUSE THEY ARE BRINGING THE CHIEF BACK. HALO IS RUINED?!"

Really guys, you're jumping the gun. Wait until we see more of Halo 4 before you make such statements.


I predicted them making this decision, I'm calling it again.

  • 07.13.2011 7:02 AM PDT


Posted by: BlackKnightKanos
Here's a good question. Can you stand looking at purple and blue structures for 10 hours straight? Do you really wanna play as the Covenant that bad? 343 is interested in the Chief's story and the majority feel the same. I feel the same. It's been a while and i don't wanna play some little fight, I wanna take part in the big fight.


Who's to say a game with a primary Covenant/Elite player char would be entirely in blue/purple enviroments? I mean, hell it'd be better then constant grey structures of Forerunner buildings :P.

I agree with the guy's saying there is a lot of stuff they could do with the various races of the Covenant. Tell us more of the Elite culture/training for example.

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Posted by: BlackKnightKanos
It's been a while and i don't wanna play some little fight, I wanna take part in the big fight.
The "big fight" ended with Halo 3, and spanned 27 unplayed years before that. Just sayin', there's richer material that doesn't have anything to do with the Chief before Halo CE than there is with him after Halo 3.

  • 07.13.2011 7:04 AM PDT


Posted by: privet caboose
I think most of you are just over-reacting.

"OH GOD MICROSOFT CLEARLY HATES ODST AND REACH BECAUSE THEY ARE BRINGING THE CHIEF BACK. HALO IS RUINED?!"

Really guys, you're jumping the gun. Wait until we see more of Halo 4 before you make such statements.


Nah, I'm not saying that. I'm simply saying the way it's worded makes it a possible result that halo is going/getting ready to go downhill.

I'm holding judgement on halo 4 until plenty more information comes out personally, maybe even after the game is released.

[Edited on 07.13.2011 7:05 AM PDT]

  • 07.13.2011 7:05 AM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: BlackKnightKanos
Agreed. Also, people who played Halo around the 360 era don't know what it's like to journey with the Chief 'cause for the 360 the Halo games are: Halo 3, ODST and Reach. If you played Halo on the original xbox, you're gonna understand why people miss him. People say it's the Halo story that their interested in, but personally what I'm interested to see is how MC overcomes these great challenges in a universe filled with mystery.


I did start playing halo from CE (back before halo 2 came out, not when it was released though), and I'm not exactly seeing why he absolutely has to return.

Anyway, I have two things I want from halo 4.

A: Master Chief and cortana ALONE. develop their characters massively by having them be the only two humans. Maybe a friendly forerunner AI or something, but for the most part alone and we see Master Chief making choices and decisions, and not being a robot who nods at sergeants (who he outranks lol) and follows every word they say
B: Unknown planet. As in, Even Cortana doesn't know -blam!- about the place, and any map you have is sketchy. You have to explore to figure out how to get places and it's not easy. You are literally finding out what the planet is. There is nobody telling you everything about the planet, or where things are (Something I see not happening if they do a UNSC presence/ONI knowing about the planet for some random reason.)

Aka, master chief and cortana are alone and don't know a thing about where they are other then it's forerunner.
I'd love that. The fact that John and Cortana are seemingly alone, hurtling towards and unknown world; and the theme chant screams mysterious and dark; makes me optimistic.

Oh, and 343 will make games without Master Chief. I'm sure of that. They love telling various stories, focusing on new and obscure characters.




[Edited on 07.13.2011 7:11 AM PDT]

  • 07.13.2011 7:09 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


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Posted by: grey101
I honestly hope chief gets killed at the end of the trilogy so the only games that can be done with him are prequels and 343 can do something else.

Like seriously do they understand how many games could be based around an arbiter/spec ops elite? The you have Spartan IIIs, ODSTs, The rainforest wars/WWIII (call of duty/battlefield).

There is alot that can be done through games if they just man up and dump the chief


I absolutely love the chief. His games are arguably the best in the series. That said, Exploring into the Elites or back to ODST's seems the best thing to do.

Rather, I don't understand why joint campaigns like Halo 2 haven't been done again. I feel Halo 3 would've been much better if the Arbiter still retained his own campaign missions, but in some levels Chief is a friendly AI, and in others Arbiter is a friendly AI.

Reach would've been much better if it had a type of joint campaign between Noble and Red teams.

Anyway, I don't think the chief needs dumped. He's been out of the limelight for the last 4 years, and the Halo series has definitely suffered from it. Rather than completely getting rid of chief, having him share the spotlight with someone else would be better.


He HAS to die, all things do. i don't want to be 60 years old playing a game with a clone of him or him being found or woken from cryo.

He needs to die to prove that halo isn't cliche, to show that he is human, and to show that he isn't halo.

I am not saying this needs to be in a non epic way though, they need to make his luck run out and cortana will probably go insane with his death. since she won't go rampant due to the need to protect him.

  • 07.13.2011 7:15 AM PDT

Yes, there're too many numbers in my name.

While the side characters are somewhat responsible for a small chance of the preservation of the human race being increased, Master Chief was the actual person who ended the war.

  • 07.13.2011 7:41 AM PDT


Posted by: Tycho_005917
While the side characters are somewhat responsible for a small chance of the preservation of the human race being increased, Master Chief was the actual person who ended the war.


Wrong. Thel officially ended the human-Covenant war by killing Truth.

  • 07.13.2011 7:48 AM PDT


Posted by: NAStheMagiking
He seems like an alright chap. I can see what he's saying, partly. People have identified 'Chief with Halo. He's the face of the franchise. So when people who only looked it over casually pick up Reach or ODST and realize 'Chief is absent from the experience, they're probably a bit, like, 'huh?'. Fans who play Halo understand, but I think a lot of them see projects like ODST as more of a break from the main man of the series. A very fun, and unique, break; but a break nonetheless.

I don't think this means that they'll never leave John alone, though. I think they just want to get back to their icon. People have been missing him, and asking to be able to play as him once again. I can imagine that 343 will definitely have many ideas that don't focus solely on Master Chief.

I'm confident about Halo 4. 343 come across as very clued up, and that ominous/sinister spin on the iconic Halo theme leaves a good impression about the direction the trilogy is heading.


I agree as well.

Playing as the Chief usually also brings in a sense of epic sci-fi mystery-adventure.

Its because who you're playing as is a larger then life hero. He is like John Wayne in a sense (John Wayne was a hilariously famous actor back in the 60's and surrounding decades who always played tough, noble and larger-then-life heroes).

ODST managed to pull the mystery feel off perfectly, and felt more like a Halo game then Reach imo; great characters, atmosphere and music. Only difference was you never felt like you accomplished much in the war beyond slaughtering untold numbers of Covenant.

Reach neither had the sense of mystery that Halo basically can call its own and didn't feel like I accomplished anything at all since I already knew their was a great novel explaining everything. And it involved the Chief. Characters were flat and as two dimensional as the SW Prequels, the atmosphere was completely foreign to a veteran Halo gamer, and it contradicted the great origin story I knew.

Now I think it would be foolish to assume the only characters in Halo 4 will be Chief and Cortana; the trilogy was also about the people surrounding the Chief and how they looked up to him. That's why to me, the Sigma 7 theory actually does make some sense, despite O'Connor saying "Bullshirt" (ever notice how he conveniently misspelled the word? As if to loophole out of having to lie to our faces but to make us think it is BS? Not saying that is true, but I would be honestly not surprised if it were).

Anyway, the return of the Chief is a welcome one.

  • 07.13.2011 8:15 AM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Tycho_005917
While the side characters are somewhat responsible for a small chance of the preservation of the human race being increased, Master Chief was the actual person who ended the war.


Wrong. Thel officially ended the human-Covenant war by killing Truth.
You're acting like John wasn't standing right there beside Thel when he killed him? John could have easily killed him, but he let Thel have his revenge.

You're obviously tired of the Chief--I guess that's the cool thing to do since everyone loves him and wants him back. We could have another game with Noble Team. That would be great, right?

[Edited on 07.13.2011 8:36 AM PDT]

  • 07.13.2011 8:35 AM PDT


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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Tycho_005917
While the side characters are somewhat responsible for a small chance of the preservation of the human race being increased, Master Chief was the actual person who ended the war.


Wrong. Thel officially ended the human-Covenant war by killing Truth.
You're acting like John wasn't standing right there beside Thel when he killed him? John could have easily killed him, but he let Thel have his revenge.

You're obviously tired of the Chief--I guess that's the cool thing to do since everyone loves him and wants him back. We could have another game with Noble Team. That would be great, right?


-Nods slowly-

  • 07.13.2011 8:39 AM PDT


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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Tycho_005917
While the side characters are somewhat responsible for a small chance of the preservation of the human race being increased, Master Chief was the actual person who ended the war.


Wrong. Thel officially ended the human-Covenant war by killing Truth.
You're acting like John wasn't standing right there beside Thel when he killed him? John could have easily killed him, but he let Thel have his revenge.

You're obviously tired of the Chief--I guess that's the cool thing to do since everyone loves him and wants him back. We could have another game with Noble Team. That would be great, right?


Your acting as if John stormed the defenses around truth alone, and he was the only person who was responsible for ending the war.

Um, no. I'm tired of people treating Chief as a -blam!- god who alone did all the positive results of the halo events, never needed any help and never had any trouble. Acting as if HE ALONE saved the universe again and again.

As for a game with noble team. Maybe. Or a game solely about Six. Or a game about any of the other ignored Spartans that get tossed aside like a worthless doll to some fans when John enters the room.

  • 07.13.2011 8:49 AM PDT


Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Now I think it would be foolish to assume the only characters in Halo 4 will be Chief and Cortana; the trilogy was also about the people surrounding the Chief and how they looked up to him. That's why to me, the Sigma 7 theory actually does make some sense, despite O'Connor saying "Bullshirt" (ever notice how he conveniently misspelled the word? As if to loophole out of having to lie to our faces but to make us think it is BS? Not saying that is true, but I would be honestly not surprised if it were).

Anyway, the return of the Chief is a welcome one.
I remember Cliff B citing that as one of the wonderfully unique things about the Halo games; how you got a remark from Marines who looked to Spartans as the shining beacon of humanity's hope. Spartans did empower their fellow soldiers and it was cool that this showed in cutscenes and during gameplay. I wouldn't mind if they balanced it out, as they did in CE. We had many times in which 'Chief and Cortana tackled objectives alone, exploring the mysteries of Halo, and then you had moments where you'd be assisted by Marine allies. I just hope for a believable reason as to how the UNSC are there, if they are. Maybe Halo 4 will be just 'Chief and Cortana, and the UNSC will get embroiled in the action later on due to events portrayed in the Glasslands trilogy.

I do agree that people need to stop acting as though 'Chief was the sole reason for victory. Yes, he was a very integral part of the war, but if it wasn't for other key characters, and the strength, and will, of humanity in general; then the war would not have been won.


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I thought the same thing too. Halo is a massive universe.

  • 07.13.2011 9:58 AM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

I called this ages ago, the whining fanbase bawwww'ing eventually influencing the Devs in stupid ways. Comment threads on all of these various game websites were full of it.

If Master Chief is the only character that is going to get significant spotlight then this franchise is going to loose a lot of momentum. Having only one character is stupid for the obvious reason that not everyone relates to the same archetype. I'm out if this happens. Chief is a boring as hell character. I like characters that I can analyse, not this self-insert sh­it. Those that haven't read the books: How many people here are willing to bet right now that they will care what sort of character the Chief develops into? You can't because you don't know. Those that have read the books: You know what you get. Enjoy that for every future game. (As a matter of opinion I know I won't. Neither will a lot of others and there is your problem. If there was other characters there then I guess it would be fine)

Many of the big names in sci-fi (Star Wars/Trek/Gate) have a diverse range of central characters that all play an important role. Some you don't care for but it doesn't matter because there are others that you do care for and they are what keeps you coming back to and caring about the series.

  • 07.13.2011 10:04 AM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

I just find it funny Microsoft is whining about games that still made them millions even when Chief wasn't the main character.

  • 07.13.2011 11:00 AM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Tycho_005917
While the side characters are somewhat responsible for a small chance of the preservation of the human race being increased, Master Chief was the actual person who ended the war.


Wrong. Thel officially ended the human-Covenant war by killing Truth.
You're acting like John wasn't standing right there beside Thel when he killed him? John could have easily killed him, but he let Thel have his revenge.

You're obviously tired of the Chief--I guess that's the cool thing to do since everyone loves him and wants him back. We could have another game with Noble Team. That would be great, right?


Your acting as if John stormed the defenses around truth alone, and he was the only person who was responsible for ending the war.

Um, no. I'm tired of people treating Chief as a -blam!- god who alone did all the positive results of the halo events, never needed any help and never had any trouble. Acting as if HE ALONE saved the universe again and again.

As for a game with noble team. Maybe. Or a game solely about Six. Or a game about any of the other ignored Spartans that get tossed aside like a worthless doll to some fans when John enters the room.
I agree with you, he did not storm the Citadel alone. Actually, I see the character he stormed the Citadel with, Thel, just as important as he is. The Arbiter played as big of a role in Halo 2 and 3 as John. Sorry for coming off a bit hostile as I see people trying to be different downplaying John's accomplishments. Honestly, I think of the Master Chief when Halo comes to mind as he has been the iconic figure of the franchise.

That said, I see your point as I've come to admire characters such as Johnson, Captain Keyes, Cortana, Rtas, Thel, Kurt, Buck, etc. almost equal to the Chief. Many other characters have a chance to grow on me such as Bornstellar from the Forerunner trilogy. The Halo Universe is vast, and if games only focus on John then there is a lot of lost potential. I just hope in the future that games about other Spartans are carried out more effectively than Noble Team.

John is the iconic figure of the franchise in my opinion and his accomplishments in the books and games are unparalleled. There is also a lot of other stories in the universe yet to be told that do not contain him.

  • 07.13.2011 11:03 AM PDT

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