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Subject: So 100 ships couldn't defeat a Supercarrier?

If we were to put the Canon of both The Fall of Reach and Halo: Reach, we would know that Reach was always defended by a fleet of about 100 UNSC Ships of various types. When the Covenant Scout Fleet came, which consisted of a Super Carrier and a few Corvettes, where was the Fleet that was supposed to defend Reach?

Sure we can say that the fleet bypassed all of Reach's defenses but once Long Night of Solace destroyed the Grafton, their scout fleet was pretty much exposed. What of the Frigates? Were they too busy destroying the spires to handle the Super Carrier?

Once the Grafton was gone, the Long Night of Solace returned to space, pretty far from the looks of it from the view of Anchor 9. Now at this point, it was known that the orbital defenses were under attack, but from what? The Corvettes? Not enough to handle 100 ships. By orbital defense, that could include the ships that defend her.

Please help me out here guys in clearing this up.

  • 07.13.2011 6:52 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

Maybe the Long Night of Solace was out of range from both Orbital Stations and ships to properly engage, as we know the Covenant have some ships that can "snipe" during combat, so maybe they tried to engage it with say, a bunch of frigates or destroyers and it destroyed them from a distance and thus, they listened to Kat's plan and saved ships from being unnecessarily destroyed.

That's just my view on things though.

  • 07.13.2011 6:57 PM PDT

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Stop with these threads.

Reach was never going to win, it wasn't the writer's goals. Just stop.

  • 07.13.2011 6:57 PM PDT

We don't how well the LNoS is armed, but seeing how 2 assalt carriers and a couple CCS-class ships got pass earth's defense, it can't be to much of strecth for the LNoS and it's corvettes to do the same.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

There is no excuse whatsoever for a single ship to wipe out 100, none in the covenants category.

1 salvo of MACs would be enough to take that thing, i am working out it the thousands of archer missiles would work also and this is at range.

There would be a few hundred if not atleast 1,000 fighters to take that thing down

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Posted by: grey101
There is no excuse whatsoever for a single ship to wipe out 100, none in the covenants category.

1 salvo of MACs would be enough to take that thing, i am working out it the thousands of archer missiles would work also and this is at range.

There would be a few hundred if not atleast 1,000 fighters to take that thing down


the Super Carrier is the largest Covenant ship we've seen. It's shielding system must be extremely high. I doubt that a MAC round would go through the shields.
Also the Fall of Reach book has had several retcons before Reach's release. So get over these retcons

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: ImmortalJoshua

Posted by: grey101
There is no excuse whatsoever for a single ship to wipe out 100, none in the covenants category.

1 salvo of MACs would be enough to take that thing, i am working out it the thousands of archer missiles would work also and this is at range.

There would be a few hundred if not atleast 1,000 fighters to take that thing down


the Super Carrier is the largest Covenant ship we've seen. It's shielding system must be extremely high. I doubt that a MAC round would go through the shields.
Also the Fall of Reach book has had several retcons before Reach's release. So get over these retcons


can you not read? and we have encountered ships of this size before, 100 ships all firing MACs would take the shields out that is a fact. I am positive that would kill it also seeing how if all the MAC am at 1 spot of the carrier the shields will go down easier.

That is how shielding works, if you focus on one spot it will go down hella faster than firing all over the place.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: Dustin 6047
Well, the Super Carrier probably sent waves of Phantoms and Boarding Craft to take out the ODPs. The rest of the UNSC fleet probably charged at the Super Carrier but the SC sniped them out using it's range to kill the ships instantly with it's plasma beam. After 60 or so ships were killed before even reaching the SC, they retreated and then Operation Uppercut was initiated.


You guys do understand you are assuming that ship has a sniper correct? and if it does than that means it wasn't the first time it was seen and it is stupid that it didn't snip the ODPs.

Regardless if 40-60 ships were lost that is enough to take out that ship

  • 07.13.2011 7:27 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: ImmortalJoshua

Posted by: grey101
There is no excuse whatsoever for a single ship to wipe out 100, none in the covenants category.

1 salvo of MACs would be enough to take that thing, i am working out it the thousands of archer missiles would work also and this is at range.

There would be a few hundred if not atleast 1,000 fighters to take that thing down


the Super Carrier is the largest Covenant ship we've seen. It's shielding system must be extremely high. I doubt that a MAC round would go through the shields.
Also the Fall of Reach book has had several retcons before Reach's release. So get over these retcons


can you not read? and we have encountered ships of this size before, 100 ships all firing MACs would take the shields out that is a fact. I am positive that would kill it also seeing how if all the MAC am at 1 spot of the carrier the shields will go down easier.

That is how shielding works, if you focus on one spot it will go down hella faster than firing all over the place.


No, that is not how shields work. Energy shields continuously divert equal power to all areas (unless otherwise programmed). Shooting in one area will do no more damage that shooting all over the place when shields are up.

Also, the only other supercarrier encountered was destroyed by a supernova, the are extremely powerful.

  • 07.13.2011 7:28 PM PDT


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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: ImmortalJoshua

Posted by: grey101
There is no excuse whatsoever for a single ship to wipe out 100, none in the covenants category.

1 salvo of MACs would be enough to take that thing, i am working out it the thousands of archer missiles would work also and this is at range.

There would be a few hundred if not atleast 1,000 fighters to take that thing down


the Super Carrier is the largest Covenant ship we've seen. It's shielding system must be extremely high. I doubt that a MAC round would go through the shields.
Also the Fall of Reach book has had several retcons before Reach's release. So get over these retcons


can you not read? and we have encountered ships of this size before, 100 ships all firing MACs would take the shields out that is a fact. I am positive that would kill it also seeing how if all the MAC am at 1 spot of the carrier the shields will go down easier.

That is how shielding works, if you focus on one spot it will go down hella faster than firing all over the place.


No, that is not how shields work. Energy shields continuously divert equal power to all areas (unless otherwise programmed). Shooting in one area will do no more damage that shooting all over the place when shields are up.

Also, the only other supercarrier encountered was destroyed by a supernova, the are extremely powerful.
What about the Supercarrier the Pillar of Autumn destroyed above Reach?

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

What about it? nuke in shields killed it, same can be done with anything. and how was that achieved? by exploiting the flaws in covenant shielding.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

update, the PoA used roughly 500 archer missiles to take out the SC so it is complete bullshirt that the entire fleet got wiped out.

F MAC barrage all they would need to use are missiles and it would be dead. 20 ships would be more than enough to take it out.

another reason this game shouldn't have been made.

  • 07.13.2011 7:37 PM PDT

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The UNSC got downplayed so badly in Reach that it is not even funny.

As for the Supercarrier, the Unyielding Heirophant needed to be almost filled with reactor complexes to power its shield. The SC is a ship not a space station. It needs to provide roughly 25x more power to its shield in order for its shield to be the same strength as an Assault Carrier's, never mind anything that would be able to resist a SMAC round.

I mean if it is really that powerful then why don't the Covenant use them all the time to spearhead assaults? Why do the Covenant even lose when there are at least one hundred of them around High Charity? SC's size and capabilities don't make sense.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: anton1792
The UNSC got downplayed so badly in Reach that it is not even funny.

As for the Supercarrier, the Unyielding Heirophant needed to be almost filled with reactor complexes to power its shield. The SC is a ship not a space station. It needs to provide roughly 25x more power to its shield in order for its shield to be the same strength as an Assault Carrier's, never mind anything that would be able to resist a SMAC round.

I mean if it is really that powerful then why don't the Covenant use them all the time to spearhead assaults? Why do the Covenant even lose when there are at least one hundred of them around High Charity? SC's size and capabilities don't make sense.


not to mention the fact they they lose ground battles all the time yet do no upgrade vehicles with shields or camo abilities.

Yet they always win in space and then decide to give 1 single ship camo.

And people support that..

  • 07.13.2011 8:25 PM PDT

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Guys, you are confusing the Super CRUISER in The Fall of Reach with the Long Night of Solace, they are completely different, the Super Cruiser was a regular sized ship, and the reason the Covenant don't use Supercarriers is because they probably don't have that many of them ranging in that size because of it's astronomical high costs.

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SC = Supreme Commander/Supreme Canadian.

De Facto leader of the military of the APE (Allied Planets Empire).

Coup = Admiral Asskicker, ZPM hive ship

IT'S 27 KILOMETERS OF PLASMA-SPITTING COVENANT-BRAND HIGH OCTANE NIGHTMARE FUEL.

The UNSC is already outmatched in space against light Covenant ships. What do you think THAT behemoth is going to do?

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Guys, you are confusing the Super CRUISER in The Fall of Reach with the Long Night of Solace, they are completely different, the Super Cruiser was a regular sized ship, and the reason the Covenant don't use Supercarriers is because they probably don't have that many of them ranging in that size because of it's astronomical high costs.



Agreed.
Size of Assault Cruiser compared to other spacecraft
Now the comparison between Assault Cruiser to the Super Carrier.
Something as big as the Super Carrier must have an extremely powerful shielding system. I doubt it has the same shield strength as a Cruiser. It's shielding must be at least 5 times that of a Cruiser.

[Edited on 07.13.2011 8:53 PM PDT]

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: SC Matt Klassen
IT'S 27 KILOMETERS OF PLASMA-SPITTING COVENANT-BRAND HIGH OCTANE NIGHTMARE FUEL.

The UNSC is already outmatched in space against light Covenant ships. What do you think THAT behemoth is going to do?


um the UNSC is outmatched by the CCS class ships since they are the military standard for the covenant. they can take ships like the corvettes easy.

Size doesn't mean anything when talking about the covenant seeing how i can say atleast 6 miles of that ship are made of redundant systems they don't even need.

Shield strenght would be weak in some sections just like any other covenant ship and they would still need to drop to fire just like any other covenant ship.

IT would not withstand 100 macs or the minimum of 100,000 archer misses


Posted by: ImmortalJoshua

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Guys, you are confusing the Super CRUISER in The Fall of Reach with the Long Night of Solace, they are completely different, the Super Cruiser was a regular sized ship, and the reason the Covenant don't use Supercarriers is because they probably don't have that many of them ranging in that size because of it's astronomical high costs.



Agreed.
Size of Assault Cruiser compared to other spacecraft
Now the comparison between Assault Cruiser to the Super Carrier.
Something as big as the Super Carrier must have an extremely powerful shielding system. I doubt it has the same shield strength as a Cruiser. It's shielding must be at least 5 times that of a Cruiser.


I was using the SC as a template, the logic still stands.

and where did you get the shield strength being 5 times as much? i want to see some math for that.

[Edited on 07.13.2011 8:56 PM PDT]

  • 07.13.2011 8:54 PM PDT

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Posted by: ImmortalJoshua
It's shielding must be at least 5 times that of a Cruiser.

And what is your reasoning for choosing this rather arbitrary looking number?

  • 07.13.2011 8:58 PM PDT

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Simple logic. The ship is bigger, so therefore it has bigger generators and has stronger shields.
Or here what about this.
The covie just took about 5 shield generators from some Cruisers, duck taped them together, and stuck them inside the Super Carrier.
From the looks of it, the Super Carrier has plenty of enough room.

SITE NOTE: Why the hell did Bungie have the Cruiser and Carrier have the same design? It's throwing people off. Lazy

[Edited on 07.13.2011 9:02 PM PDT]

  • 07.13.2011 8:59 PM PDT

3 years and only 1 ban, try harder next time noobs.

First off, its a god damn super CARRIER, its is not going to be sniping ships, that was the super cruiser, and yeah it makes no sense, but we have to deal with it.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: ImmortalJoshua
Simple logic. The ship is bigger, so therefore it has bigger generators and has stronger shields.
Or here what about this.
The covie just took about 5 shield generators from some Cruisers, duck taped them together, and stuck them inside the Super Carrier.
From the looks of it, the Super Carrier has plenty of enough room.


This is exactly why you and people like you need to be removed from this forum.

The main reason it is going to have increased shielding is due to the size, that isn't going to make the shields naturally stronger (though common sense would assume)

And i asked where you got the number 5 from.

  • 07.13.2011 9:04 PM PDT

I started up the heated debate on whether the SPARTAN-II in the cryo tube near the end of Reach is really Linda.
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Also the best explanation on why the local fleet wasn't around is because the sheer power of the Carrier. It probably had several other ships with it to guard it, plus the Seraphs and Space Banshees patrolling around.
A small strike like the one in Operation UPPERCUT was the best strategy if you ask me.

  • 07.13.2011 9:05 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Meh, judging from the Corvette's holographic globe of Reach, the Supercarrier wasn't even in the sights of the SMACs. Not only that, but it had Corvettes regularly coming back to it to refuel. Those Corvettes are tough judging by how badly the Ardent Prayer owned the Savannah.

  • 07.13.2011 9:07 PM PDT