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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
We are all going to get banned aren't we?
Posted by: the n00b pwner
Posted by: grey101
I have providing nothing but guesses despite me say i will not pull out "appropriate numbers" because it is 2 in the morning and i won't do the math properly.
you have provided numbers and game facts yet i don't see any page numbers explaining covenant shield tech nor do i see any game examples of starship shielding.
For the game facts, simply play a game a halo, forge or customs games will make the testing easier.
I have provided "nothing but guesses" when i clearly went back and checked the armament for the UNSC ships and realized no matter the combination 100 ships would be more than enough for that one single ships.
You do not know the strength of its shields, therefore you can't know the answer to this.
You say i haven't used logic yet that is all i have and ever use during anything on this forum. you just say " it is bigger therefore stronger" when three people now have told you that you have to consider the power needed to even fully cover the ship before you think about how strong it is.
As I have REPEATEDLY stated, energy shields are not affected by surface area, yet you continue to bring it up.
I even told you the books this was most likely covered in and normally people would then quickly skim through the books trying to find the information; since it being 2 am i am not going to go through the book and hand feed you not to mention the fact i remember 10 year knowledge off the top of my head is something amazing in itself.
You made the claim, so you must find the proof, it is 2 am here too and I am not searching through 2 books for something that likely isn't even there.
So how about you review your logic and realize that when 3 people say the same thing something must be up. I gave you the books so skim through the covenant ship encounters until something pops up. if you want to do math like anton and i then do it correctly and accurately as possible and don't base it off random figures and multipliers
Random figures? The figures that I used are well known and can easily be searched on halopedia, I even made sure to underestimate it due to an unknown proportion. No one knows the exact shield strength of a supercarrier, but unless the covenant extremely bad designers, it must me much stronger than a supercruiser.
The games have nothing on covenant ship shielding, the only game that does is halo wars. please don't tell me you are using model shields and believe the are the same as the ship shields. *Facedesk*
the fact of the matter is the shields are not going to be strong enough to withstand an entire fleet of 100 ships giving it everything it had. if it could, why didn't the damn thing just completely wipe out reach and everything else? The shields are not that strong, because we would have seen more ships like it if they were indestructible as you are blindly believing. where were they at harvest,XI bootis, Earth, the Ark, during the separatist fights.
If the ships are so damn strong then there should be a few around since they are so badass. and why didn't regret lead such a ship or atleast have one in his possession? he is a prophet.
Because they are effected by the surface area because it has to cove the entire surface of the ship not portions of it that you think for some reason.
Really? it is pathetic that people can't look stuff up for themselves anymore. I want to see proof that the shields are not effected by surface area also.
Now let's do some math. The supercarrier is 8 time longer than the supercruiser, and let's assume that width and high follow suit. That makes the supercarrier 512 times larger than the supercruiser. To be fair, size may not be completely proportional to shield strength, so I will underestimate and say that the supercarrier's shields are 100 times stronger than the supercruiser's.
That means that it would take 100 ships like the Pillar of Autumn to take down its shields, but there were only 40, and they were mostly frigates. The UNSC didn't have a chance against it.
That is all going off an assumption that you made off the top of you head and didn't even give a margin for error.
You have also been assuming that since it is so huge that the shields have to be uber strong just because it is so huge, when other like me that understand how shielding and the mechanics behind have said no.
You have still not made a reply on anton's post in which i will re-post and have him come back in this thread tomorrow with the math he has been doing.
Posted by: anton1792
The UNSC got downplayed so badly in Reach that it is not even funny.
As for the Supercarrier, the Unyielding Heirophant needed to be almost filled with reactor complexes to power its shield. The SC is a ship not a space station. It needs to provide roughly 25x more power to its shield in order for its shield to be the same strength as an Assault Carrier's, never mind anything that would be able to resist a SMAC round.
I mean if it is really that powerful then why don't the Covenant use them all the time to spearhead assaults? Why do the Covenant even lose when there are at least one hundred of them around High Charity? SC's size and capabilities don't make sense.