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Posted by: grey101
The games have nothing on covenant ship shielding, the only game that does is halo wars. please don't tell me you are using model shields and believe the are the same as the ship shields. *Facedesk*
Infantry shields and ship shields work on the same technology, only on a much larger scale. Every time a ship is hit in the books the shield is described as flaring the fading, the flaring is the shield being redistributed (preventing multiple attack on the same spot from doing more damage) and the fading is it returning to normal.
the fact of the matter is the shields are not going to be strong enough to withstand an entire fleet of 100 ships giving it everything it had. if it could, why didn't the damn thing just completely wipe out reach and everything else? The shields are not that strong, because we would have seen more ships like it if they were indestructible as you are blindly believing. where were they at harvest,XI bootis, Earth, the Ark, during the separatist fights.
It didn't destroy everything because it had to find the artifacts first. And they didn't come for the same reason that the supercruisers didn't come to every battle, they must be very expensive and very rare.
If the ships are so damn strong then there should be a few around since they are so badass. and why didn't regret lead such a ship or atleast have one in his possession? he is a prophet.
I don't know, why wasn't Thel 'Vadamee's flagship the supercruiser when he attacked Reach. Covenant flagships don't really make sense.
Because they are effected by the surface area because it has to cove the entire surface of the ship not portions of it that you think for some reason.
Where on earth are you getting portions from? Ship shields work the same way infantry shields do, they distribute the energy so that everywhere that gets hit gets the full strength of the shield.
Really? it is pathetic that people can't look stuff up for themselves anymore. I want to see proof that the shields are not effected by surface area also.
That is just common sense. If you have 2 energy shield, one that is a square meter and one that is ten square meters, then hit them both with the same amount of force, what happens?
If the energy was static, then the section you hit would be weaker than the rest, but that isn't the case. They both redistribute the energy and lose the same amount of strength, even the part that you didn't hit is weaker now. Understand?
Now let's do some math. The supercarrier is 8 time longer than the supercruiser, and let's assume that width and high follow suit. That makes the supercarrier 512 times larger than the supercruiser. To be fair, size may not be completely proportional to shield strength, so I will underestimate and say that the supercarrier's shields are 100 times stronger than the supercruiser's.
That means that it would take 100 ships like the Pillar of Autumn to take down its shields, but there were only 40, and they were mostly frigates. The UNSC didn't have a chance against it.
That is all going off an assumption that you made off the top of you head and didn't even give a margin for error.
I am well aware that it is a crude guess and I know that there is a margin for error.
You have also been assuming that since it is so huge that the shields have to be uber strong just because it is so huge, when other like me that understand how shielding and the mechanics behind have said no.
They don't have to be uber strong, theoretically it could have no shields at all, but I think that the covenant are intelligent enough to put in shield generators that are at least a few times stronger than the ones in ships a fraction of its size.
You have still not made a reply on anton's post in which i will re-post and have him come back in this thread tomorrow with the math he has been doing.
Posted by: anton1792
The UNSC got downplayed so badly in Reach that it is not even funny.
As for the Supercarrier, the Unyielding Heirophant needed to be almost filled with reactor complexes to power its shield. The SC is a ship not a space station. It needs to provide roughly 25x more power to its shield in order for its shield to be the same strength as an Assault Carrier's, never mind anything that would be able to resist a SMAC round.
I mean if it is really that powerful then why don't the Covenant use them all the time to spearhead assaults? Why do the Covenant even lose when there are at least one hundred of them around High Charity? SC's size and capabilities don't make sense.
1.Because shields aren't affected by surface area, it needs on the same amount of power to get the same shield strength.
2.One hundred around high charity? Those are assault carriers, not supercarriers. Again, my guess is that the supercarriers are to rare and expensive to risk at just any battle.