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Posted by: Assassin 11D7
Why would the UNSC move all of it's forces to take out one ship? If they did that the rest of the planet would be 100% open to Covenant attacks, then they'd be even more screwed. They went with Noble Team's plan because if it worked they would only lose one frigate, a whole lot better than Reach's entire fleet.
100% open to attacks? Are you forgetting about the ODPs?

  • 07.15.2011 1:35 PM PDT

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Too Bad Reach didn't have very many Orbital M.A.C cannons.

But a super M.A.C combined with the M.A.C rounds of several cruisers should of done much damage.

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Like I said before, the ship most definitely destroyed the Orbital Platform near it, and there weren't 100 ships to attack the Super Carrier. A Super Carrier is no joke. It is said to have seven energy projectors, plasma torpedoes, as well as turrets and defense systems which can destroy incoming archer missiles.

I honestly don't see this as an issue. There are other issues that I think are more important to discuss about the Fall of Reach.


It is important because we are looking at the large picture.

Reach had 1 hundred ships when the covenant attack and there were about 1 hundred other ships in the system that could be called for support; which they were and the UNSC got 50 additional ships.


But in this case some how 1 hundred ships (which normally have some type of nukes) were bi***** out by a single covenant ship. there are dozens of way i alone can think of to take that thing out so i don't understand why they foolishly only sent 40 ships to attack it.


During any fight you are to deploy your fighters first and in this case i would like to think they sent out pelicans also as they did in the official battle. so you have about 1 thousand fighters.

The number of nukes is iffy seeing how we don;t know the exact types of ships in the fleet. but it is pretty normal to see several nuclear missiles and several nukes of various yields.

So i don't understand why they didn't just go all out and atleast try to defend their home when you already have reinforcements on the way. "but they were waiting incase covie ships came" still not a good retort because then this "uber powerful" ship would just destroy them, making the save completely pointless.


now the statement with 60 percent of the UNSC fleet arriving is horrible also because reach only got 50 additional ships. so the overall UNSC fleet must be extremely low (not surprising) but i wouldn't expect it to be THAT low, especially with the number of ships at earth.


But what i don't understand is that if the ships is "sooo damn strong" why didn't the covenant win the war? seriously if people assume they have unstoppable shields (which the math isn't looking good for that) then why didn't 20 of these ships FROM THE HUNDREDS THAT WHERE AT HIGH CHARITY just fleet up and just go on a rampage? It makes no sense whatsoever that if these ships can take out roughly 100 by themselves (i know the LNoS only took out 40) that they weren't used from the start.

So now i admit that i will use halopedia and add up the number of ships used in the entire war and see what we have. I have now spent the last hour going over halopedian and adding the estimated total force we have during the [b]entire
war. now i will say this I WAS FORCED TO USE THE WRETCHED HALOPEDIAN AND UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS AN ESTIMATION

Now i only went off FACTS. if it said "dozens destroyed" i did not include that in the number of ships destroyed, and like wise for "dozens of ships", i only went off what was directly stated.

So the total number of UNSC ships during the war are around 817 with 267 clearly stated to be lost. I noticed this is due to cole's actions and i have also noticed that many of the ships said to be damaged were never seen again.

Now here is the number of covenant ships that fought during the war (not including high charity) 1361 with around 887 destroyed. Again this is mainly due to cole and the spartans destroying roughly 500 ships.

But if we include high charity we can throw about 500 ships to that number with an unknown amount being destroyed.

So now i am looking at this and seeing several things.

there are about 550 UNSC ships that are unaccounted for and there are roughly 476 covenant ships that are unaccounted for (no high charity)

So if the idea off 1 SC being able to take out hundreds of ships at a time is to be true then why didn't they just let 8 OF THE HUNDREDS THAT WERE SAID TO BE AT HIGH CHARITY to just fight the entire war? why build and waste all of these resources when these things are so damn powerful? why don't the prophets use these as flagships? why were they at Earth?


There has to be a massive drawback for these things not to be used. because there are hundreds of them so we should have lost the damn war. and if the covenant can cloak a 16 mile ship; why the hell don't they make that military standard?

more importantly, why are they improving their ships when they always when in space? why don't they give wraiths shielding and phantoms cloak? why in the forerunners name would you waste time improving something that is already top notch?

there is such a contradicting in logic that i feel like facedesking and punching a cactus right now, this makes no sense whatsoever

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Posted by: grey101
so if high charity has hundreds of these ships that alone could take out 100 UNSC ships then why didn't just spare 15 of them and have them travel around destroying us?

they have HUNDREDS of these things, so they should have one both space and ground engagements if they just let go 15- 25 of them.


Is there any definite size given for a Supercarrier though? That's the big question. I tried looking it up on Halopedia, but it looks from the discussions on the pages that they retconned the size to match Reach or something. Do the books list any definite size for them, or do they list multiple sizes?

If it's the latter then I would guess that there is no definite size for a Supercarrier and there are several different size with the Long Night of Solace being amongst the largest.

Also, Grey, regardless of how strong the LNoS shields are, its size would give it by far the largest range of any Covenant ship we've seen, and because of it's positioning it has the advantage, it will see any ship coming for it and be able to pick it or its attacks off before it can even reach the ship.

Now, as for why they would not see a wide degree of fielding, it stands to reason that ship that size would not be able to maneuver fast enough in a real fight, which is why I think they would primarily have defensive duty at High Charity, essentially functioning as the SMACs would for the UNSC.

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Posted by: grey101
so if high charity has hundreds of these ships that alone could take out 100 UNSC ships then why didn't just spare 15 of them and have them travel around destroying us?

they have HUNDREDS of these things, so they should have one both space and ground engagements if they just let go 15- 25 of them.


Is there any definite size given for a Supercarrier though? That's the big question. I tried looking it up on Halopedia, but it looks from the discussions on the pages that they retconned the size to match Reach or something. Do the books list any definite size for them, or do they list multiple sizes?

If it's the latter then I would guess that there is no definite size for a Supercarrier and there are several different size with the Long Night of Solace being amongst the largest.

Also, Grey, regardless of how strong the LNoS shields are, its size would give it by far the largest range of any Covenant ship we've seen, and because of it's positioning it has the advantage, it will see any ship coming for it and be able to pick it or its attacks off before it can even reach the ship.

Now, as for why they would not see a wide degree of fielding, it stands to reason that ship that size would not be able to maneuver fast enough in a real fight, which is why I think they would primarily have defensive duty at High Charity, essentially functioning as the SMACs would for the UNSC.


I have no knowledge on classes since this is the first one we have seen, but FS clearly states there are hundreds of Supercarriers and cruisers orbiting high charity.

You somewhat contradicted yourself. If the size alone is what gives them good range then they would still be able to take out ships from range if they were fielded. and it wouldn't matter if they could move or not because "supposedly" the shields on this thing can hold up 100 macs and everything else ships would give it.

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Posted by: grey101

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Posted by: grey101
so if high charity has hundreds of these ships that alone could take out 100 UNSC ships then why didn't just spare 15 of them and have them travel around destroying us?

they have HUNDREDS of these things, so they should have one both space and ground engagements if they just let go 15- 25 of them.


Is there any definite size given for a Supercarrier though? That's the big question. I tried looking it up on Halopedia, but it looks from the discussions on the pages that they retconned the size to match Reach or something. Do the books list any definite size for them, or do they list multiple sizes?

If it's the latter then I would guess that there is no definite size for a Supercarrier and there are several different size with the Long Night of Solace being amongst the largest.

Also, Grey, regardless of how strong the LNoS shields are, its size would give it by far the largest range of any Covenant ship we've seen, and because of it's positioning it has the advantage, it will see any ship coming for it and be able to pick it or its attacks off before it can even reach the ship.

Now, as for why they would not see a wide degree of fielding, it stands to reason that ship that size would not be able to maneuver fast enough in a real fight, which is why I think they would primarily have defensive duty at High Charity, essentially functioning as the SMACs would for the UNSC.


I have no knowledge on classes since this is the first one we have seen, but FS clearly states there are hundreds of Supercarriers and cruisers orbiting high charity.

You somewhat contradicted yourself. If the size alone is what gives them good range then they would still be able to take out ships from range if they were fielded. and it wouldn't matter if they could move or not because "supposedly" the shields on this thing can hold up 100 macs and everything else ships would give it.


Indeed so, I find it rubbish to find that SC had shielding capacity to shrug off 100 MACs, probably few SMACs, thousands of Archer missiles, and finally, Nuclear Warheads! And, most of covenants shields were calculated that they cannot withstand over 30 megaton of TNT. And some people have been saying that it took 27 ships combined fire to take out a "superdestroyer", which is horrendously wrong type of ship. It's super battle-ship, at Harvest. If you guys had paid little more attention at comics around Cole Preston... sigh.

  • 07.15.2011 2:07 PM PDT

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So if the idea off 1 SC being able to take out hundreds of ships at a time is to be true then why didn't they just let 8 OF THE HUNDREDS THAT WERE SAID TO BE AT HIGH CHARITY to just fight the entire war? why build and waste all of these resources when these things are so damn powerful? why don't the prophets use these as flagships? why were they at Earth?
I felt like this is what you were getting at, so let me know if I missed any of your points (I read your post).

Remember, the Covenant was not the most intelligent force to reckon with, and even Dr. Halsey says this in her journal. I don't think the Covenant would think of diverting ships from High Charity because they want it to be heavily protected, even if that's not necessary, because of the simple reason that it's home to the Prophets.

But yes, the Covenant should have absolutely demolishes us, but they didn't because they didn't use their vastly superior technology in the most efficient ways many times. I think the Fall of Reach was one time where they did, but even with that, they made some stupid moves like not sending more Super Carriers.

I think you're overestimating the intelligence of the Covenant.

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Posted by: Plasma Prestige
So if the idea off 1 SC being able to take out hundreds of ships at a time is to be true then why didn't they just let 8 OF THE HUNDREDS THAT WERE SAID TO BE AT HIGH CHARITY to just fight the entire war? why build and waste all of these resources when these things are so damn powerful? why don't the prophets use these as flagships? why were they at Earth?


I think you're overestimating the intelligence of the Covenant.


Reach was the game that started it by saying the covenant can now randomly mask ships from thermal,slipspace sensors,etc not only that but this was done on a 16 mile ship.

So this is the only logic retort to such a thing

  • 07.15.2011 2:18 PM PDT

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Plasma Prestige
So if the idea off 1 SC being able to take out hundreds of ships at a time is to be true then why didn't they just let 8 OF THE HUNDREDS THAT WERE SAID TO BE AT HIGH CHARITY to just fight the entire war? why build and waste all of these resources when these things are so damn powerful? why don't the prophets use these as flagships? why were they at Earth?


I think you're overestimating the intelligence of the Covenant.


Reach was the game that started it by saying the covenant can now randomly mask ships from thermal,slipspace sensors,etc not only that but this was done on a 16 mile ship.

So this is the only logic retort to such a thing

I don't ever remember in the books where it explicitly mentioned that the Covenant wasn't able to mask its ships.

And besides, being able to mask your ship doesn't take intelligence, it's a matter of whether you have the technology or not, and they did.

  • 07.15.2011 2:21 PM PDT

In a time long past, the armies of the dark came again to the lands of men. Their leaders became known as the fallen lords, and their terrible sorcery was without equal in the west.
In 30 years they reduced the civilized nations into carrion and ash. Until the free city of Madrigal alone defined them. An army gathered there, and a desperate battle was joined against the fallen
Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten

If only the UNSC had large scale bombs like in Headhunters that short out covie technology.

If a missile could short circuit a covie ship, it is just a matter or firing M.A.C rounds into it.

Also, If only the UNSC had planted NOVA bombs outside around Reach (at a safe distance).

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Posted by: Plasma Prestige
Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Plasma Prestige
So if the idea off 1 SC being able to take out hundreds of ships at a time is to be true then why didn't they just let 8 OF THE HUNDREDS THAT WERE SAID TO BE AT HIGH CHARITY to just fight the entire war? why build and waste all of these resources when these things are so damn powerful? why don't the prophets use these as flagships? why were they at Earth?


I think you're overestimating the intelligence of the Covenant.


Reach was the game that started it by saying the covenant can now randomly mask ships from thermal,slipspace sensors,etc not only that but this was done on a 16 mile ship.

So this is the only logic retort to such a thing

I don't ever remember in the books where it explicitly mentioned that the Covenant wasn't able to mask its ships.

And besides, being able to mask your ship doesn't take intelligence, it's a matter of whether you have the technology or not, and they did.


They never said they couldn't just like it was never explained how frigates "hover" in atmosphere. But seeing how the covenant is the covenant we went with the fact they didn't because they never did.

This is why we are raging at the fact the covenant got smart out of random yet were still stupid because they upgraded space weaponry, something they excel at.

and because there is no way you can completely mask thermal signatures, frigates and stations shouldn't have picked that thing up ASAP not to mention Frigates can detect in system slipspace transits.

  • 07.15.2011 2:27 PM PDT

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Plasma Prestige
So if the idea off 1 SC being able to take out hundreds of ships at a time is to be true then why didn't they just let 8 OF THE HUNDREDS THAT WERE SAID TO BE AT HIGH CHARITY to just fight the entire war? why build and waste all of these resources when these things are so damn powerful? why don't the prophets use these as flagships? why were they at Earth?


I think you're overestimating the intelligence of the Covenant.


Reach was the game that started it by saying the covenant can now randomly mask ships from thermal,slipspace sensors,etc not only that but this was done on a 16 mile ship.

So this is the only logic retort to such a thing

I don't ever remember in the books where it explicitly mentioned that the Covenant wasn't able to mask its ships.

And besides, being able to mask your ship doesn't take intelligence, it's a matter of whether you have the technology or not, and they did.


In the Fall of Reach a Corvette kept floating above Sigma Octanus without anybody noticing it because it had a camouflage system or something like that. The Iroquois was only able to discover it because of the faint emissions coming from it's thrusters as it moved to get above the museum in Cote d' Azur.

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Posted by: Plasma Prestige
So if the idea off 1 SC being able to take out hundreds of ships at a time is to be true then why didn't they just let 8 OF THE HUNDREDS THAT WERE SAID TO BE AT HIGH CHARITY to just fight the entire war? why build and waste all of these resources when these things are so damn powerful? why don't the prophets use these as flagships? why were they at Earth?[/quote]


I think you're overestimating the intelligence of the Covenant.


Reach was the game that started it by saying the covenant can now randomly mask ships from thermal,slipspace sensors,etc not only that but this was done on a 16 mile ship.

So this is the only logic retort to such a thing

I don't ever remember in the books where it explicitly mentioned that the Covenant wasn't able to mask its ships.

And besides, being able to mask your ship doesn't take intelligence, it's a matter of whether you have the technology or not, and they did.


In the Fall of Reach a Corvette kept floating above Sigma Octanus without anybody noticing it because it had a camouflage system or something like that. The Iroquois was only able to discover it because of the faint emissions coming from it's thrusters as it moved to get above the museum in Cote d' Azur.


and radio transmissions.

Regardless, a small corvette only a few hundred meters across does not explain the 16 mile ship

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SC = Supreme Commander/Supreme Canadian.

De Facto leader of the military of the APE (Allied Planets Empire).

Coup = Admiral Asskicker, ZPM hive ship

Okay, if the strongest Covenant ship is weak to mid-level megatons, then SG runs rampant over the Covenant. Do you Halo fans really want that?

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  • 07.15.2011 2:37 PM PDT

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Posted by: Plasma Prestige
So if the idea off 1 SC being able to take out hundreds of ships at a time is to be true then why didn't they just let 8 OF THE HUNDREDS THAT WERE SAID TO BE AT HIGH CHARITY to just fight the entire war? why build and waste all of these resources when these things are so damn powerful? why don't the prophets use these as flagships? why were they at Earth?[/quote]


I think you're overestimating the intelligence of the Covenant.


Reach was the game that started it by saying the covenant can now randomly mask ships from thermal,slipspace sensors,etc not only that but this was done on a 16 mile ship.

So this is the only logic retort to such a thing

I don't ever remember in the books where it explicitly mentioned that the Covenant wasn't able to mask its ships.

And besides, being able to mask your ship doesn't take intelligence, it's a matter of whether you have the technology or not, and they did.


In the Fall of Reach a Corvette kept floating above Sigma Octanus without anybody noticing it because it had a camouflage system or something like that. The Iroquois was only able to discover it because of the faint emissions coming from it's thrusters as it moved to get above the museum in Cote d' Azur.


and radio transmissions.

Regardless, a small corvette only a few hundred meters across does not explain the 16 mile ship


The point is, they do have that technology, so the Covenant weren't changed to look like geniuses for Reach for they had displayed this back in 2001

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There is a difference in application.

frigates must use some anti gravity plating since they are the only ships seen in atmosphere yet we don't see any other class of ship doing the same.

So if we randomly see a ship acting out of character of course it is going to show a red flag.

  • 07.15.2011 3:25 PM PDT

just the average covenant cruiser is equil to three unsc ships. There is a reason the unsc only won space battles when they outnumbered the covenant five-to-one.

The average covenant cruiser is like a speck compaired to a supercarrier in terms of size, shields, and firepower.

And no matter how you look at it, the supercarrier did reveal itself in atmosphere, and it did dominate the defenses of the entire planet until noble team made way with their plan. And it was completely undamaged when the package was delivered.

And, most of covenants shields were calculated that they cannot withstand over 30 megaton of TNTIn Fall of Reach just a normal cruiser (not a battlecruiser, a normal cruiser, which is about a third the size and strength of a battlecruiser) withstood two nukes without its shields faltering. It also took two direct MAC rounds, which punched through it, but it still was fully functional. They had to detonate a nuke inside its own shields (amplifying the nuke 100x) to finally destroy it.

This ship wasn't even anywhere near as powerful a common CCS-Battlecruiser. And it took all that punishment to take down.

You really think a nuke is going to go up against a supercarrier and do anything to it other then make the shipmaster inside laugh?


Edit: Also, they didn't just spam supercarriers to win the war because that would be a waste of resources. It was astonishing if the unsc ever managed to defeat the covenant in spacial engagements. The fact that the Long Night of Solice was even attacking reach is just overkill to me.

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just the average covenant cruiser is equil to three unsc ships. There is a reason the unsc only won space battles when they outnumbered the covenant five-to-one.

The average covenant cruiser is like a speck compaired to a supercarrier in terms of size, shields, and firepower.

And no matter how you look at it, the supercarrier did reveal itself in atmosphere, and it did dominate the defenses of the entire planet until noble team made way with their plan. And it was completely undamaged when the package was delivered.


Edit: Also, they didn't just spam supercarriers to win the war because that would be a waste of resources. It was astonishing if the unsc ever managed to defeat the covenant in spacial engagements. The fact that the Long Night of Solice was even attacking reach is just overkill to me.


First off the ratio was 3-1 and the math behind that thing having shields isn't looking too good.

"spam supercarriers? did you even see my post? there are hundreds of these things orbiting high charity, all they needed to do was free up 8 of them and they would have won. So why did they was more than 1,000 ships when they could have used these almighty unstoppable ships?

  • 07.15.2011 4:59 PM PDT


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"spam supercarriers? did you even see my post? there are hundreds of these things orbiting high charity, all they needed to do was free up 8 of them and they would have won. So why did they was more than 1,000 ships when they could have used these almighty unstoppable ships?
Because just one of those almighty unstoppable ships is a fleet all its own. Not worth the resources to replace, should an accident occur.

Plus, they were busy protecting the holy city, High Charity.

Edit: Also, I made a comment concerning the TNT vs. shields debate, that sort of takes a royal shat on the 'calculations' which i've yet to see proof of. I've yet to see this "lol math" that you seem to enjoy flaunting about, and until proven otherwise by a source more valid then a thirty cent calculator, I will continue to go under the assumption that the bigger the covenant ship, the stronger its shields. (Which has actually been stated in the books, which are more valid then your math)

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Posted by: grey101
"spam supercarriers? did you even see my post? there are hundreds of these things orbiting high charity, all they needed to do was free up 8 of them and they would have won. So why did they was more than 1,000 ships when they could have used these almighty unstoppable ships?
Because just one of those almighty unstoppable ships is a fleet all its own. Not worth the resources to replace, should an accident occur.

Plus, they were busy protecting the holy city, High Charity.



the fact of them having hundreds of these things negates how expensive they are and that hampering thier use. not to mention we don't know anything about covenant economy other than it is expensive to go to high charity. so we can cut that out.

So you are telling me that out of the hundreds of these things, if 8 of them were to be destroyed that would be equal to atleast 1,300 covenant ships?

And that makes sense to you?

  • 07.15.2011 5:20 PM PDT


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Posted by: grey101
"spam supercarriers? did you even see my post? there are hundreds of these things orbiting high charity, all they needed to do was free up 8 of them and they would have won. So why did they was more than 1,000 ships when they could have used these almighty unstoppable ships?
Because just one of those almighty unstoppable ships is a fleet all its own. Not worth the resources to replace, should an accident occur.

Plus, they were busy protecting the holy city, High Charity.



the fact of them having hundreds of these things negates how expensive they are and that hampering thier use. not to mention we don't know anything about covenant economy other than it is expensive to go to high charity. so we can cut that out.

So you are telling me that out of the hundreds of these things, if 8 of them were to be destroyed that would be equal to atleast 1,300 covenant ships?

And that makes sense to you?
Well just one of these things was giving the pinnicle fortress of UNSC military a royal groundstomping.

So yes. That makes sense to me.

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Kalawaki

Posted by: grey101
"spam supercarriers? did you even see my post? there are hundreds of these things orbiting high charity, all they needed to do was free up 8 of them and they would have won. So why did they was more than 1,000 ships when they could have used these almighty unstoppable ships?
Because just one of those almighty unstoppable ships is a fleet all its own. Not worth the resources to replace, should an accident occur.

Plus, they were busy protecting the holy city, High Charity.



the fact of them having hundreds of these things negates how expensive they are and that hampering thier use. not to mention we don't know anything about covenant economy other than it is expensive to go to high charity. so we can cut that out.

So you are telling me that out of the hundreds of these things, if 8 of them were to be destroyed that would be equal to atleast 1,300 covenant ships?

And that makes sense to you?
Well just one of these things was giving the pinnicle fortress of UNSC military a royal groundstomping.

So yes. That makes sense to me.


then why didn't they do that from the start and just win the war? or atleast field them more often instead of building the hundreds of CCS class ships.

The UNSC didn't field larger ships because it didn't matter much to the plasma weaponry and they were a huge target. not to mention the money and time for those things.

The covenant economy is obviously pretty damn good since they make dozens of ships at a time and have a automatic scarab assembly machine.

So it doesn't make sense to make hundreds of the most powerful ships and have them shoot rocks all day when you could just swap them to attack the humans for 1,000 ships to take their place

  • 07.15.2011 5:42 PM PDT

I don't really think there were hundreds of supercarriers around High Charity. Yes, it says so in FS, but Nylund probably had no idea what he was writing. He's always seemed confused about ships. In Halo 2, we see HC surrounded by hundreds of (CCS-class battle)cruisers.

  • 07.15.2011 5:49 PM PDT
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Posted by: Mutoid Log
I don't really think there were hundreds of supercarriers around High Charity. Yes, it says so in FS, but Nylund probably had no idea what he was writing. He's always seemed confused about ships. In Halo 2, we see HC surrounded by hundreds of (CCS-class battle)cruisers.


And we see earth surrounded mainly by marathon class ships when we know that wasn't the case.

This is where book are handy because we know what is fact, came wise that is nothing more than the same image being played over and over again due to the limitations of the system.


And this is another example of something being stated as a fact and people trying to wiggle out of it. FS says there were hundreds of supercarriers and super cruisers at high charity, then there were hundreds of supercarriers and cruiser at high charity.

As far as i am aware the new version of the book didn't change that, in which it is fact and if it did then i am just wrong

  • 07.15.2011 6:01 PM PDT

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Posted by: Plasma Prestige
So if the idea off 1 SC being able to take out hundreds of ships at a time is to be true then why didn't they just let 8 OF THE HUNDREDS THAT WERE SAID TO BE AT HIGH CHARITY to just fight the entire war? why build and waste all of these resources when these things are so damn powerful? why don't the prophets use these as flagships? why were they at Earth?


I think you're overestimating the intelligence of the Covenant.


Reach was the game that started it by saying the covenant can now randomly mask ships from thermal,slipspace sensors,etc not only that but this was done on a 16 mile ship.

So this is the only logic retort to such a thing

I don't ever remember in the books where it explicitly mentioned that the Covenant wasn't able to mask its ships.

And besides, being able to mask your ship doesn't take intelligence, it's a matter of whether you have the technology or not, and they did.


In the Fall of Reach a Corvette kept floating above Sigma Octanus without anybody noticing it because it had a camouflage system or something like that. The Iroquois was only able to discover it because of the faint emissions coming from it's thrusters as it moved to get above the museum in Cote d' Azur.


The ship was described to be more along the lines of a Frigate class vessel for the Covenant, not a Corvette.

In any case the ship was running dark. No thruster emissions or signals of any sort going out. It was entirely visible the whole time though. That's what gave it away, not faint emissions. Instead it was Keyes' having a hunch that something was wrong and actively scanning for anything unusual much like the dropships that led him to finding it. The stealth ship was spotted visually as a result. It basically operated like a human based Prowler.

  • 07.15.2011 6:09 PM PDT