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"but you already knew that, I mean, how couldn't you?
Only when no Human brick is left atop another, shall we be satisfied with your destruction.
Posted by: grey101
1.The fall of reach page 295
This is during the battle against the Arbiter's fleet though, not against the Solace, much of that battle (awesome though it was) has been retcon'd by Reach.
2.it is pretty standard for any UNSC ships to have some type of nuclear ordinance. i am not saying EVERY ships has nukes, but out of 100 a good amount of them would, especially at reach.
Were Archer missiles not calced in at around a Megaton (hence nuclear)? Or has that been retconned too? Been a while since I participated in these discussions.
Either way, the bigger nukes like Shivas seem rarer, and it seems few ships were able to deploy them.
3.Longswords never had issues taking out seraph's before and the UNSC is better in space when it comes to tactics, it is just the tech that gets them.
You see Longswords being shot down in halo 2 and 3, I would argue that Seraphs have little issue taking down Longswords either, the Seraph as a vehicle has distinct design advantages: Smaller profile, shielding, more maneuverable, possibly faster but that's debatable.
There is only so much superior tactics can do when you are outnumbered and outgunned, and the skill difference between UNSC Officers not named Keyes and Covenant Officers doesn't seem that great to be honest. We are told the Humans are better at tactics, Keyes and Cole are the only demonstrations though, and both are considered exceptional.
5. If 60 percent is being called back i would like to think they only sent 40 ships, that isn't going all out.
I always assumed that was referring to fleets elsewhere coming to reinforce the Reach System, whether they infact turned up is not clear.
6. but they didn't. had these ships been used from the start the war would have been finished before the schism was even thought of.
They did not lose due to any UNSC naval action though. They lost due to internal politics, it doesn't matter how badass your fleet is if your admirals chose not to follow you anymore.
8. Yes but the space station that was roughly half the SC size was almost completely filled with generators. The SC would need more than that just to cover itself then we talk about strength.
The Unyeilding Heriophant?
If so it was a resupply station, it needed many reactors for that function, to resupply the fleet, not for it's own use.
Either way, if it dedicates the same volume to it's reactor(s) as the similarly structured Assault Carrier then it still has masses of reactor space, and my point about volumetric scaling still stands.
9. the game also shows hundreds of marathon class cruisers and halcyon class when we know that isn't the case, that is merely coding. The books says hundreds of supercarriers and cruisers and if the re-print didn't change it then it is fact.
We know there was a large fleet around Earth, it showed that.
So it was missed, did the reprint change anything or was it just to get more books sold?
To be honest, I'm inclined to go with what the game presents unless there is a pressing reason not to do so, it makes more sense that way anyway (as you have noted, if they *do* have hundreds why do we not see them?). One line in a book is not a compelling reason in my opinion, for all we know "supercarrier" could be being used as a colloquiallism for any large carrier.
10. those aren't really drawbacks.
I beg to differ, those are massive drawbacks, particularly the political one given the Covenant is a Theocracy, and not that politically stable.
11.because that doesn't make sense. "lets improve something that works more than well but lets not improve our ground forces that are sub par." does not compute
Why not, we've been doing it for years :)
In all seriousness, all major battles of consequence in the war happened in space, whoever holds orbit can wipe out the enemy's ground forces at will. Covenant standard combat doctrine actually, and tip of the spear shows us the UNSC uses frigates in ground combat suppression roles as well.
12.page number for that? because shields would still be useful on banshee's and ghost would be more useful if they had camo or shields.
I'll get back to you on that, need to find my copy of First Strike.
EDIT: It is page 114:
In unison the Spartans turned and fired at the far corner of the formation of tanks. Two blue-white blobs of liquid sun spat from the wraiths and detonated. There was a dazzling light, an expansion of superheated white fire, and then there was glass-smooth ground and the smouldering skeletons of seven wraith tanks.
More luck. If the tanks had been active, with hatches secured, they might have survived the first volly.
[Edited on 07.16.2011 12:16 PM PDT]