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"Defiant Reclaimer, he who will shatter the land and break the sky apart..."

So supposedly the Forerunner's rose up and destroyed the Precursors. However seeing as they are Trans-sentient beings whose tunings prevent them from being destroyed from even a Halo-arrays detonation, not to mention supposedly immune to aging. How did the forerunners destroy the precursors, whats more if the Prisoner is a precursor: "I am the last of those your kind rose up against and ruthlessly destroyed." -Personally i believe it suggests that the Forerunner's seemed to eradicate them with minimal resistence, 'ruthlessly' connotes like a genocidal extermination?
Maybe a Precursors body is vulnerable to physical attack, i just wondered if anyone else had considered this?

Any grammatical/canon feedback be appreciated :)

  • 07.15.2011 11:38 AM PDT

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Posted by: SparD
So supposedly the Forerunner's rose up and destroyed the Precursors. However seeing as they are Trans-sentient beings whose tunings prevent them from being destroyed from even a Halo-arrays detonation, not to mention supposedly immune to aging. How did the forerunners destroy the precursors, whats more if the Prisoner is a precursor: "I am the last of those your kind rose up against and ruthlessly destroyed." -Personally i believe it suggests that the Forerunner's seemed to eradicate them with minimal resistence, 'ruthlessly' connotes like a genocidal extermination?
Maybe a Precursors body is vulnerable to physical attack, i just wondered if anyone else had considered this?

Any grammatical/canon feedback be appreciated :)


I don't believe the forerunners would destroy another species, they were for the preservation of life and science. I haven't read the newest book at all so I may be wrong. Who knows since the precursors were a trans-sentient beings. They could have the power to travel to another galaxy which is what I had thought happened, leaving the milky way for another one,maybe to go fight off the flood since we don't know where they came from

  • 07.15.2011 11:56 AM PDT


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Posted by: SparD
So supposedly the Forerunner's rose up and destroyed the Precursors. However seeing as they are Trans-sentient beings whose tunings prevent them from being destroyed from even a Halo-arrays detonation, not to mention supposedly immune to aging. How did the forerunners destroy the precursors, whats more if the Prisoner is a precursor: "I am the last of those your kind rose up against and ruthlessly destroyed." -Personally i believe it suggests that the Forerunner's seemed to eradicate them with minimal resistence, 'ruthlessly' connotes like a genocidal extermination?
Maybe a Precursors body is vulnerable to physical attack, i just wondered if anyone else had considered this?

Any grammatical/canon feedback be appreciated :)


I don't believe the forerunners would destroy another species, they were for the preservation of life and science. I haven't read the newest book at all so I may be wrong. Who knows since the precursors were a trans-sentient beings. They could have the power to travel to another galaxy which is what I had thought happened, leaving the milky way for another one,maybe to go fight off the flood since we don't know where they came from


They destroyed an entire civilization because they took up arms against them, and blew all of our (humanity's) civilizations back to the stone age. They were very dictatorial.

  • 07.15.2011 12:00 PM PDT

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The precorsors created the flood as a failsafe.. i dont know the fact but have a look on the internet or halonation :)

  • 07.15.2011 12:04 PM PDT

"Defiant Reclaimer, he who will shatter the land and break the sky apart..."


Posted by: NIKers96
The precorsors created the flood as a failsafe.. i dont know the fact but have a look on the internet or halonation :)


Sorry thats not canon, although for the record i believe that too.

  • 07.15.2011 12:07 PM PDT


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Posted by: NIKers96
The precorsors created the flood as a failsafe.. i dont know the fact but have a look on the internet or halonation :)


Sorry thats not canon, although for the record i believe that too.


The fact that the Precursors created the flood or the websight? Because the Precursors did create the flood and it is canon.

  • 07.15.2011 12:49 PM PDT

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Posted by: ParagonRenegade
You were totally and absolutely correct in every way, I don't know why we were arguing, you're so amazing I should never have doubted you.

We don't know enough about them yet. Wait for 2 and 3 of the Forerunner saga.

  • 07.15.2011 1:09 PM PDT

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Posted by: Buzz the Fuzz
The fact that the Precursors created the flood or the websight? Because the Precursors did create the flood and it is canon.


It's implied, but not presented. For now, not canon.

  • 07.15.2011 1:22 PM PDT

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Posted by: ParagonRenegade
You were totally and absolutely correct in every way, I don't know why we were arguing, you're so amazing I should never have doubted you.

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Posted by: Buzz the Fuzz
The fact that the Precursors created the flood or the websight? Because the Precursors did create the flood and it is canon.
It's implied, but not presented. For now, not canon.
This.

  • 07.15.2011 1:24 PM PDT


Posted by: SparD
So supposedly the Forerunner's rose up and destroyed the Precursors. However seeing as they are Trans-sentient beings whose tunings prevent them from being destroyed from even a Halo-arrays detonation, not to mention supposedly immune to aging. How did the forerunners destroy the precursors, whats more if the Prisoner is a precursor: "I am the last of those your kind rose up against and ruthlessly destroyed." -Personally i believe it suggests that the Forerunner's seemed to eradicate them with minimal resistence, 'ruthlessly' connotes like a genocidal extermination?
Maybe a Precursors body is vulnerable to physical attack, i just wondered if anyone else had considered this?

Any grammatical/canon feedback be appreciated :)

Mabye there were a lot more forrunner then there were Precursors. although i have no evidence to support this.

  • 07.15.2011 2:00 PM PDT

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They're probably like the Reapers from Mass Effect. Powerful, but can still be killed with conventional means in high quantity.

  • 07.15.2011 2:11 PM PDT

"Defiant Reclaimer, he who will shatter the land and break the sky apart..."


Posted by: Buzz the Fuzz

Posted by: SparD

Posted by: NIKers96
The precorsors created the flood as a failsafe.. i dont know the fact but have a look on the internet or halonation :)


Sorry thats not canon, although for the record i believe that too.


The fact that the Precursors created the flood or the websight? Because the Precursors did create the flood and it is canon.


Sigh, go learn what canon is. I imagine you are referring to Cryptum here, but although it is implied that the supposed precursor created the flood it is not Canon.

  • 07.15.2011 2:19 PM PDT


Posted by: SparD

Posted by: Buzz the Fuzz

Posted by: SparD

Posted by: NIKers96
The precorsors created the flood as a failsafe.. i dont know the fact but have a look on the internet or halonation :)


Sorry thats not canon, although for the record i believe that too.


The fact that the Precursors created the flood or the websight? Because the Precursors did create the flood and it is canon.


Sigh, go learn what canon is. I imagine you are referring to Cryptum here, but although it is implied that the supposed precursor created the flood it is not Canon.


I do know what canon is thanks, what I meant was 'is the stuff on the websight regarded as non-canon,' and you didn't have to be a jerk about it anyway. As the the Precursor flood buisness, I obviously got some facts wrong, my mistake.

  • 07.15.2011 2:38 PM PDT
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Posted by: halfnhalf0527
I don't believe the forerunners would destroy another species, they were for the preservation of life and science.

Not anymore, canon has changed or it was never like we suspected.
It makes me kinda sad, i liked the forerunners as they were portrayed before, but i think the change might be to have them as enemies in Halo 4. *sigh*
Guess we'll see.

  • 07.15.2011 2:39 PM PDT
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Posted by: halfnhalf0527

I don't believe the forerunners would destroy another species, they were for the preservation of life and science.


You might be confusing the Forerunners with the Alterans.

Pre-Cryptum, the Forerunners might have been this...

After Cryptum was released, the Forerunners were turned into a civilization more xenocidal then the Imperium of Man.

  • 07.15.2011 2:40 PM PDT

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Posted by: ParagonRenegade
You were totally and absolutely correct in every way, I don't know why we were arguing, you're so amazing I should never have doubted you.

Posted by: SC Matt Klassen
After Cryptum was released, the Forerunners were turned into a civilization more xenocidal then the Imperium of Man.
Only in retaliation. Don't start rumors.

  • 07.15.2011 3:14 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

when was it ever said that the precursors were trans sentient?

and as i told you before the prisoner wasn't killed because halo was tuned differently to release the prisoner.

Read that chapter correctly and read the terminals.

  • 07.15.2011 3:23 PM PDT

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Posted by: ParagonRenegade
You were totally and absolutely correct in every way, I don't know why we were arguing, you're so amazing I should never have doubted you.

Posted by: grey101
when was it ever said that the precursors were trans sentient?
Look up the Forerunner technological achievement scale.

And that was a test firing, where does it say it was intended to free the Prisoner?

[Edited on 07.15.2011 3:29 PM PDT]

  • 07.15.2011 3:29 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: Lord Slade
Posted by: grey101
when was it ever said that the precursors were trans sentient?
Look up the Forerunner technological achievement scale.

And that was a test firing, where does it say it was intended to free the Prisoner?


That is an assumption not a factual statement saying that they are. much like the assumption the forerunners were angelic beings.

Read the terminals. and the fact that MB then took the prisoner on his ring and then took orders from him.

  • 07.15.2011 3:35 PM PDT

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Posted by: ParagonRenegade
You were totally and absolutely correct in every way, I don't know why we were arguing, you're so amazing I should never have doubted you.

Posted by: grey101
Read the terminals. and the fact that MB then took the prisoner on his ring and then took orders from him.
This isn't confirmed anywhere. There is no clear-cut canon statement saying "Prisoner = Gravemind".

  • 07.15.2011 3:51 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: Lord Slade
Posted by: grey101
Read the terminals. and the fact that MB then took the prisoner on his ring and then took orders from him.
This isn't confirmed anywhere. There is no clear-cut canon statement saying "Prisoner = Gravemind".


You do understand that entire subplot was suppose to be a nod to the people that read the terminals before hand? When it was stated "the prisoner is missing" I thought that sounded suspicious, but once it was said "bias has been missing for roughly 40- 50 years" my eyes widen in shock and i dropped the book. so lets review


Medicant bias went AWOL for 43 years talking to a highly intelligent alien- He is missing for roughly 40-50 years in cryptum*

Said life-form seduced Bias- bias goes rouge in cryptum

Medicant bias attacks the forerunners under this intelligence- he attacks the capital in cryptum


This is where the asterisk comes in, it wasn't until halo evolutions that the gravemind himself said that an AI once supported him which is where we draw the initial connections between the prisoner being the gravemind.

So lets look at the gravemind and prisoner.

Gravemind is a "timeless chorus"- the prisoner is the timeless one

Gravemind "I have listened, through rock and metal and time. Now I shall talk, and you shall listen." - The humans had always asked the prisoner questions about the universe. The prisoner was also found buried under ground then had its caged reinforced and then had a timebolt placed on it.

Gravemind- "Time... has taught me patience! But basking in new freedom..."- the prisoner was trapped in time thus has learned to be patient, he is also free once more

Gravemind-Defeat is simply the addition of time to a sentence I never deserved... but you imposed." - The prisoner was sentenced (duh) and beating the flood now only adds time to this (waiting to come back) humans have imposed this by fighting instead of joining.


Now while we might not know every little detail around this, i am positive that we can say the prisoner will turn into the mind shortly.

  • 07.15.2011 3:56 PM PDT

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Posted by: ParagonRenegade
You were totally and absolutely correct in every way, I don't know why we were arguing, you're so amazing I should never have doubted you.

Posted by: grey101
Now while we might not know every little detail around this, i am positive that we can say the prisoner will turn into the mind shortly.
It's still conjecture. Good authors enjoy throwing their readers on a loop. Plenty of solid-sounding theories have been proven completely wrong in the past.

  • 07.15.2011 4:20 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: Lord Slade
Posted by: grey101
Now while we might not know every little detail around this, i am positive that we can say the prisoner will turn into the mind shortly.
It's still conjecture. Good authors enjoy throwing their readers on a loop. Plenty of solid-sounding theories have been proven completely wrong in the past.


so you tell me that the precursors are trainsent based off one line, yet we have a full list of relations between the two.

If the gravemind himself said he corrupted 1 AI to serve him and the prisoner did the exact same thing, then logically they prisoner is the gravemind.

seriously i love people like you,really i do. when something is directly stated to be something you guys try to find loop holes and point it to something else. But when something is clearly hinted to be something or heavily implied you guys call it "conjecture".

Glorious


** and i have been here for like 5 years. The only "solid sounding theory" that ever made sense was snakies rainbow there, and that was common sense

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  • 07.15.2011 4:32 PM PDT

"Defiant Reclaimer, he who will shatter the land and break the sky apart..."


Posted by: Buzz the Fuzz

Posted by: SparD

Posted by: Buzz the Fuzz

Posted by: SparD

Posted by: NIKers96
The precorsors created the flood as a failsafe.. i dont know the fact but have a look on the internet or halonation :)


Sorry thats not canon, although for the record i believe that too.


The fact that the Precursors created the flood or the websight? Because the Precursors did create the flood and it is canon.


Sigh, go learn what canon is. I imagine you are referring to Cryptum here, but although it is implied that the supposed precursor created the flood it is not Canon.


I do know what canon is thanks, what I meant was 'is the stuff on the websight regarded as non-canon,' and you didn't have to be a jerk about it anyway. As the the Precursor flood buisness, I obviously got some facts wrong, my mistake.


-Sorry didn't mean any offense...

  • 07.16.2011 1:55 AM PDT

"Defiant Reclaimer, he who will shatter the land and break the sky apart..."


Posted by: grey101
when was it ever said that the precursors were trans sentient?

and as i told you before the prisoner wasn't killed because halo was tuned differently to release the prisoner.

Read that chapter correctly and read the terminals.


"The Precursors were mentioned in the Bestiarum as the race preceding and mythologized by the Forerunner, being theoretical "Transsentient" beings, having the ability to travel among galaxies and accelerate the evolution of intelligent life."

  • 07.16.2011 1:59 AM PDT

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