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Subject: Evolution of Bungie Community and Universe. Communities reaction to H4

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Over the years, Bungie has made Halo 1, 2, 3, ODST, Reach.
Over the years i have seen the communities negative reaction to the games since end of Halo 2 era.

Halo 2 - Dual Wielding, Ending of campagin, Cortana's new looks(suprisingly), Campagin, No AR, Arbiters story being to short/long. And MCs story being to short/long ect. Not being as good as Halo 1.

Halo 3 - Campagin, Ending Arbiters story, Dual Wielding, Matchmaking rank system, BR. And, not being as good as Halo 1 or 2.

ODST - Not worth 60 bucks, No MC, Campagin to short. Bad, empty story line, FF being rip off of Horde mode, No matchmaking and really, EVERYTING about it they must have complained about.

Now, Reach - Where to start. You know what? Im not going to bother to write because you know about all the so-called "problems" it has. Like not being as good as Halo 1, 2 or 3! Saying Bungies lost it, they suck, they dont care ect.

Halo 4. Can you guys see? Now they are going to complain that "It sux cuz bunje didnt mak it!!1!" and "Its N0T aS gud AS REECH!".. Cause you know. Reach was so awesome.

I can see before hand, when gameplay and info comes out. Everything is going to EXPLODE. All out flame wars with trolls being the front line!

And its funny because look how optimistic they are now saying it will beat Reach because Reachs standards are low which may be true, but i wonder whats going to happen when the game comes out...

Dont complain guys. Its not going to change -blam!-.

  • 07.16.2011 1:18 PM PDT

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Posted by: Dustin 6047
I agree.
Wow. Thanks, i thought i would be flamed to bits.

  • 07.16.2011 1:29 PM PDT

You forgot to say how in love everyone is with the ODST story now.

I've said it before, I'll say it again. The Bungie community takes longer to embrace a Halo game than the gaming world in general. Everyone outside of Bungie.net said Reach was the best halo yet. Here it gets flamed. We can't adapt, and we never will.

  • 07.16.2011 1:31 PM PDT

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Posted by: xXLastHylianXx
You forgot to say how in love everyone is with the ODST story now.

I've said it before, I'll say it again. The Bungie community takes longer to embrace a Halo game than the gaming world in general. Everyone outside of Bungie.net said Reach was the best halo yet. Here it gets flamed. We can't adapt, and we never will.
Totally agree other than the fact that people like the ODST story line. I havent seen that yet. Frankly, i. LOVE. ODST... LOVE.

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The community understands the series better then the general public though, it's the community who extensively play the series.

The public are easily swayed by graphics, features such as theatre, forge, etc. Which are awesome features, don't get me wrong. But the community is concerned about gameplay and story. The gameplay has got progressively worse after Halo 2 and the story hasn't really lived up to the expectation CE brought. Halo 2 had it's numerous cuts of course, it's shining light was exposing the Covenant as The Arbiter more then anything, Halo 3 was anti-climatic, and The Arbiter was cast-aside as a sidekick because of MC fanboys, ODST in my opinion had a pretty good story, and Reach infamously ignores the book, Fall of Reach.

The gameplay has gotten slower, more random, but most importantly the skill-gap has shrunk with every Halo release. I'm far from being a fan of "pro" gaming but a game needs to be easy to pick up and play, yet be difficult to master. CE and Halo 2 excelled at this, Halo 3, despite being slower, did too. Reach however...

I'm hoping that Halo 4 will have Combat Evolved's mystery and great storytelling with Halo 2's gameplay.

But as if that will happen. :P

[Edited on 07.16.2011 1:43 PM PDT]

  • 07.16.2011 1:42 PM PDT

i agree but thats what trolls are for. they feed on being hated, honestly ive never really had a problem with reach. or any of the other games except the ending to halo 2 i was pretty mad. but as far as matchmaking goes me and my core group of friends that have played this have learned to adapt to all the changes, its not really hard if you have a good team. thats why i think alot of people complain about mm, is because some people just play alone and that gets boring and frustrating. but anyways i agree, since halo 2 the community is being filled with trolls, cod fanboys, and small children lol

  • 07.16.2011 1:46 PM PDT

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Ah, but what gets me angry you see is that either
A, The story is bad
B, I dont care about the story and dont care about anything but Multiplayer.

Thats where i dont agree with you. They dont care about story, which is imo Halo. No story, no Halo. Thats why i hate the community.

  • 07.16.2011 1:52 PM PDT

I'd agree with the "community knows it better."

If they didn't do the whole "This game sucks, the last game was the best and it should be like that one." for each game.

  • 07.16.2011 1:56 PM PDT

Im txgrim4 (Grim, Grimmy, Grimsta), i have been playing xboxlive for 9 years, evr since day 1 of Halo:CE til now. I love H2, that and Halo 1 are my favs. Im a Halologist when it comes to the Bungie/Halo Universe. Ive also played Marathon Series, ONI, and Myth Series. I live in Texas, Play Football, and cant wait for Halo 4!

Good Post, but not all of the things you listed wernt really a problem, and if it was, it was small and few idiots conplained about it. Like ODST not having MC, yeah i wish i saw him again too (before H4 announcment) but bungie wanted to try something new. And with the H2 complains,Who cares about cortanas looks, shes still the same, no gives a F about the AR, they wanted to try the new BR, and the ending, it left you hanging, its not going to close with a happy ending or anything, we knew another was coming. Good post besides those few thing. HALO 4 WILL BE GREAT. 343i has many bungie employees (former) including frank o' conner who wrote the storyline of halo

  • 07.16.2011 1:56 PM PDT

Vengeance only leads to an ongoing cycle of hatred.

Okay, true. But, who cares what the community does? You can just ignore them.

  • 07.16.2011 1:59 PM PDT


Posted by: txgrim4z
Good Post, but not all of the things you listed wernt really a problem, and if it was, it was small and few idiots conplained about it. Like ODST not having MC, yeah i wish i saw him again too (before H4 announcment) but bungie wanted to try something new. And with the H2 complains,Who cares about cortanas looks, shes still the same, no gives a F about the AR, they wanted to try the new BR, and the ending, it left you hanging, its not going to close with a happy ending or anything, we knew another was coming. Good post besides those few thing. HALO 4 WILL BE GREAT. 343i has many bungie employees (former) including frank o' conner who wrote the storyline of halo


His point is that the community/forum goers have -blam!-ed about each and every new game when it was released.

  • 07.16.2011 2:06 PM PDT

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Okay, true. But, who cares what the community does? You can just ignore them.
True, but my point is i wish they didnt complain. I may be able to ignore but, thanks to all the retards, you can see whats happend each and every game. And even in Reach they have done a lot of stuff for us. Example: They took AL from nearly every gametype. Im not saying if its good or bad just that Bungie DOES listen. But to the idiots.
Idiots = Majority though :(

  • 07.16.2011 2:24 PM PDT

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Posted by: txgrim4z
Good Post, but not all of the things you listed wernt really a problem, and if it was, it was small and few idiots conplained about it. Like ODST not having MC, yeah i wish i saw him again too (before H4 announcment) but bungie wanted to try something new. And with the H2 complains,Who cares about cortanas looks, shes still the same, no gives a F about the AR, they wanted to try the new BR, and the ending, it left you hanging, its not going to close with a happy ending or anything, we knew another was coming. Good post besides those few thing. HALO 4 WILL BE GREAT. 343i has many bungie employees (former) including frank o' conner who wrote the storyline of halo


His point is that the community/forum goers have -blam!-ed about each and every new game when it was released.
Yeah

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I mostly agree, but I'm definitely not gonna say that reach was better when it will come to halo 4, because I couldn't find anything good in reach other than forge mode and megalo, which I rarely ever use (forge, that is, megalo is only accessible to devs), unless halo 4 is completely terrible.

  • 07.16.2011 2:42 PM PDT

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I mostly agree, but I'm definitely not gonna say that reach was better when it will come to halo 4, because I couldn't find anything good in reach other than forge mode and megalo, which I rarely ever use (forge, that is, megalo is only accessible to devs), unless halo 4 is completely terrible.


i dont think halo 4 will be as good as halo 1,2,3 odst or reach
just because of the bungie factor.

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Posted by: Sparty Boy 117
I mostly agree, but I'm definitely not gonna say that reach was better when it will come to halo 4, because I couldn't find anything good in reach other than forge mode and megalo, which I rarely ever use (forge, that is, megalo is only accessible to devs), unless halo 4 is completely terrible.


i dont think halo 4 will be as good as halo 1,2,3 odst or reach
just because of the bungie factor.


You act as if Bungie are the only skilled game developers in the world.
343 proved themselfs with EU stories ,as for the gameplay,we will have to wait and see,you are rightful to be sceptical but saying something like your last point is just stupid.

Also note that their members are very skilled people pulled from all corners from the gaming industry.EA ,COD,metroid,Sony,...many members of them are at 343 now.

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Posted by: zoobkillerninja

Posted by: Sparty Boy 117
I mostly agree, but I'm definitely not gonna say that reach was better when it will come to halo 4, because I couldn't find anything good in reach other than forge mode and megalo, which I rarely ever use (forge, that is, megalo is only accessible to devs), unless halo 4 is completely terrible.


i dont think halo 4 will be as good as halo 1,2,3 odst or reach
just because of the bungie factor.


You act as if Bungie are the only skilled game developers in the world.
343 proved themselfs with EU stories ,as for the gameplay,we will have to wait and see,you are rightful to be sceptical but saying something like your last point is just stupid.

Also note that their members are very skilled people pulled from all corners from the gaming industry.EA ,COD,metroid,Sony,...many members of them are at 343 now.



Eheh... sorry for having to ask this, but what are the "EU stories" you speak of?

  • 07.16.2011 2:52 PM PDT

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Posted by: hotshot revan II

Posted by: zoobkillerninja

Posted by: Sparty Boy 117
I mostly agree, but I'm definitely not gonna say that reach was better when it will come to halo 4, because I couldn't find anything good in reach other than forge mode and megalo, which I rarely ever use (forge, that is, megalo is only accessible to devs), unless halo 4 is completely terrible.


i dont think halo 4 will be as good as halo 1,2,3 odst or reach
just because of the bungie factor.


You act as if Bungie are the only skilled game developers in the world.
343 proved themselfs with EU stories ,as for the gameplay,we will have to wait and see,you are rightful to be sceptical but saying something like your last point is just stupid.

Also note that their members are very skilled people pulled from all corners from the gaming industry.EA ,COD,metroid,Sony,...many members of them are at 343 now.



i did not say that i do like alot of other dev are very good at what they do but bungie is good at halo. but I could be rong.

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Posted by: zoobkillerninja

Posted by: hotshot revan II

Posted by: zoobkillerninja

Posted by: Sparty Boy 117
I mostly agree, but I'm definitely not gonna say that reach was better when it will come to halo 4, because I couldn't find anything good in reach other than forge mode and megalo, which I rarely ever use (forge, that is, megalo is only accessible to devs), unless halo 4 is completely terrible.


i dont think halo 4 will be as good as halo 1,2,3 odst or reach
just because of the bungie factor.


You act as if Bungie are the only skilled game developers in the world.
343 proved themselfs with EU stories ,as for the gameplay,we will have to wait and see,you are rightful to be sceptical but saying something like your last point is just stupid.

Also note that their members are very skilled people pulled from all corners from the gaming industry.EA ,COD,metroid,Sony,...many members of them are at 343 now.



i did not say that i do like alot of other dev are very good at what they do but bungie is good at halo. but I could be rong.


It's okay to be sceptical ;) Bungie is good at Halo but so is 343,just look at all they did at this point,they expanded the story to many directions like the Forerunner Era and now post Halo 3.

  • 07.16.2011 2:55 PM PDT

thank you for this

I'm so tired with all these people complaining about everything inreach that is diffrent form the last game even though what they're talking about is perfectly fine

i'm not saying the game is perfect but there is very little to complain about (aside from the major story errors)

anyways people seem too stupid to accept change even if it's for the better

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Yup, we're humans. We'll complain.

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I really thought ODST was a step in the right direction.

It didnt have MC, so it offered alot more room in character the development.
Firefight was awesome, anything to add the game is.

They took out the BR, which was good, and made the SMG and pistol useful[if not overpowered]. Instead of having one overpowered weapon and just removing it, they attempted to buff the rest of the weapons to fill the void, instead of nerfing everything.

Being an ODST was a good start for not being a Spartan 2. I fealt baddass, yet not overpowered

No matchmaking was alright, I really got to know my halo friends better with hours of campaign and firefight


Now Halo reach on the otherhand

The characters wernt the mastercheif, but they were bland as all hell. All we really got was that Jorge was a nice big guy, emile was a baddass, and halsey tries loving the S3s but cant[like the history would suggest]. In ODST we had Mal, Jayne and Wash...I mean...Buck, Dutch, Mickey, Romeo, and Dare. Buck was the kind of guy who was large and in charge, and was harsh, but cared about his men. Romeo was a wise-ass, but baddass. Dutch was a bible bruiser, and mickey was a green smarty. Dare was a -blam!-, but that was refreshing to kats...blah. ODST wasnt perfect, but atleast they tried

They nerfed all the weapons. They didnt want one weapon to rule them all, so instead of making other weapons usfull, they hellah nerfed the BR and called it the DMR, and they got rid of some of the less used weapons, and added -blam!- ones.

The story didnt even start until level 8 when you have to go back to swordbase, otherwise youre just running around reach, fighting -blam!-. What the hells up with that?

Reach feels like ODST, if you stripped some flavour and watered it down. It had sooooo much potential, but they messed up

  • 07.16.2011 3:37 PM PDT
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  • 07.16.2011 3:59 PM PDT

It's the cycle of games. The trolls will always say that the previous game was better to get attention. If the trolls are the EXACT same Trolls saying Halo 3 > Halo Reach then I will face palm. The Trolls get their complaints heard the most often because they have no life and can complain en masse all they want. They will get heard but we have to ignore it see the players that have moved on. What is the point in buying a new game if it is EXACTLY the same as the previous one?

  • 07.16.2011 4:01 PM PDT

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