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Posted by: L KOLIEAN L
Posted by: StealthSlasher2
Posted by: L KOLIEAN L
Really? How does the data recovered by Reach take away from the randomness of finding Halo?! What did it suddenly announce LOOK HERE! THERES A HUGE RING SHAPE WORLD WITH PARASITES AND MYSTERIES AND ALL THIS BLAM!!! Seriously now I'm just facepalming at the -blam!- you guys complain about...this is almost as bad as that guy complaining about the AR.
The AR guy was a nit picky fool who choose to whine about something that had no adverse effect on the story as a whole.
The discussion about the Sigma Octanus artifact and its relation to the Sword Base artifact have everything to do with trying to understand the thought process behind taking a significant plot device (SO rock) that is instrumental in leading to a significant event (Halo), and then introducing a brand new plot device (SBA) that (at a glance) nullifies a major plot point already established.
It's rather inconsistent and abrupt storytelling. Now while I personally feel that both objects being needed together in order to achieve the same end point is a perfectly fine explanation (to those that can connect the dots) and one that I personally feel is how things went, the mere fact that people (to this day) still question this over and over stands testament as to how rough of an addition it is in getting a good grasp of the overall story.
Everything is still maintained as you state, but now it requires imagination (in which arises the problem of everyone coming up with their own version, or none at all) stuck in-between to find a way to make both fit. It was unnecessary fluff to something already well established.
Exactly, my problem is just that people are using it to nitpick. Also personally I hate how Halsey chimes in at the end...how does she know what the hell happens? As it stands I really do think that the SO was reinforced by the BO, how idk. I do doubt that it was in the way people make it seem. I believe the events both provided the steps needed to make the Halo discovery but really it came about from two big different ways.
Honestly (and I still need to find time to write the damn thing) I personally have some questions I think we really need to focus on and I also have a few theories on some important aspects of the game and book...but that's for later.
As for Decep, dude I'm not arguing with you. I'm voicing my opinions and your causing me to discuss them. We both know that none of us is going to change their beliefs to why are we even doing this? Don't get me wrong, if you want we can go on forever but really I don't even care at this point. I think the whole "THE EVENTS OF REACH RUIN THE IMPORTANCE OF AN IMPORTANT PLOTLINE!" argument is rather kneejerk and really isn't valid.
Also if I read the above post you made then you and me are on the flipn same side... or I'm just way to tired. Either way (and this stands for the other thread) I'm not trying to win you over.
I think you've missed my point. I'm trying to say that the events of Reach do take away from the importance of existing plot devices (not just the artifact issue either) set up previously by turning it into a convoluted mess that needs to be deciphered in the first place. It's a rather valid argument at this point in time because of how there's nothing to refute it decisively.
There are all sorts of people invested in the story, and they all have their own stance on it. However, for those seeking a straight answer on things it is simply no longer possible at the moment.
Rather than look at this issue (and others) from the point of personal understanding. Take a few steps back and view the situation as a whole and all the various perspectives put into it. Going back to the artifact example. People such as you or I can go about and see the combination of artifacts as a way to progress the story in regards to using both book and game canon.
However, how did we come to that conclusion? We basically looked at theory. Considered it rather likely, and then leave it at that with no actual proof what so ever as to what we've just said to fill in the gap. Let alone being able to use that theory as a gold standard for people to accept as fact. Just can't be done because ultimately it isn't fact.
Now when you look at it in the inverse point of view you can now see the problem that someone like Cobra has. Using nothing but the hard facts from the game, what we are all told is that the Sword Base artifact was of great importance in finding Halo. That's it. Prior to this, the only bit of information needed was the SO rock all by itself, and it was explained in full that it was all that was required to track down the coordinates of Halo. Suddenly, the SBA comes up from nowhere, and now the game places it as the object to ultimately lead the Chief to Halo.
The SO rock now takes a backseat to the story, and now questions arise as to how a rock that was perfectly sufficient as a plot device to get from point A to point B in a straight line suddenly becomes insufficient to make that point. There's no saying how 'the events of reach ruin the importance of an important plotline' is an invalid argument because as far as the game was concerned it flat out told the audience of the game that the importance of Six's efforts took precedent.
In otherwords, saying something along the lines of what Cobra is saying is a perfectly valid argument. The ability to create theories to wave things away does not disprove that argument in the slightest because there are no facts involved. Regardless of stance on the issue, Reach is canon, but has left so many holes left unfilled because of poor story writing that it justifies the appearance of such "nitpick" threads.
TL;DR: Contructive criticism on how Reach takes away from earlier established plot devices is still a perfectly valid stance because of how Reach's story is full of many holes and unexplained gaps, and at the same time fails to truly connect its events to those previously established plot points. Instead, it forces everyone to come up with their own filler and connections completely on independent and unaware as to how events play out in official canon.