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Subject: Artifact at Sigma Octanus IV....

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
I believe the Sigma Octanus artifact in conjunction with the Babd Catha artifact helped give Cortana the star chart to Alpha Halo. Works for me personally.


it's also believed that the Babd Catha artifact helped Halsey learn how to read Forerunner. This would later allow Cortana to interpret the Octanus artifact.

  • 07.17.2011 1:10 PM PDT

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Posted by: ImmortalJoshua

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
I believe the Sigma Octanus artifact in conjunction with the Babd Catha artifact helped give Cortana the star chart to Alpha Halo. Works for me personally.


it's also believed that the Babd Catha artifact helped Halsey learn how to read Forerunner. This would later allow Cortana to interpret the Octanus artifact.


And yet there's no evidence of that at all.

  • 07.17.2011 1:12 PM PDT

I started up the heated debate on whether the SPARTAN-II in the cryo tube near the end of Reach is really Linda.
I created the Moa XING avatar pic.
Also I earned the All Star nameplate with this submission to Week 14 All Stars http://www.bungie.net/images/News/Inline11/bwu_0415/art/likea boss.jpg

The UNSC has known about the Reach artifact for YEARS. There even built a base above it and a facility in it. That takes years. Therefore Halsey has of course been studying it for at least 5 years+.
Also the Sigma Octanius artifact is still canon. Reach itself makes some references to the event.
All Bungie did was some MINOR ret-cons. MINOR. Get over it.

  • 07.17.2011 1:18 PM PDT

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Posted by: ImmortalJoshua
The UNSC has known about the Reach artifact for YEARS. There even built a base above it and a facility in it. That takes years. Therefore Halsey has of course been studying it for at least 5 years+.
Also the Sigma Octanius artifact is still canon. Reach itself makes some references to the event.
All Bungie did was some MINOR ret-cons. MINOR. Get over it.


You need to learn how to read... At no point did I say anything about canon, I said there was no evidence to support your assumption (AS PER USUAL!).

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Posted by: ImmortalJoshua
The UNSC has known about the Reach artifact for YEARS. There even built a base above it and a facility in it. That takes years. Therefore Halsey has of course been studying it for at least 5 years+.
Also the Sigma Octanius artifact is still canon. Reach itself makes some references to the event.
All Bungie did was some MINOR ret-cons. MINOR. Get over it.


Really? Where at all does Reach itself ever mention the Sigma Octanus artifact, or even the battle, event, etc itself?

  • 07.17.2011 2:22 PM PDT

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Posted by: ImmortalJoshua
All Bungie did was some MINOR ret-cons. MINOR. Get over it.


As the previous two pages of this thread have discussed, how is severely reducing the significance of battle at Sigma Octanus IV a "minor" retcon?

It seems like a pretty substantial retcon to me; and a rather unnecessary one at that.

  • 07.17.2011 2:26 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101
It has no point now.

halo was suppose to be found by humans on a whim, cortana used the coordinates because that would be the only time to test them.

Now in reach they changed it to her needing some random forerunner thing to get the coordinates (in the book she got them nearly ASAP but couldn't translate anything else) and then they went to halo HOPING to find something important there to change the war.


It completly shattered the point of the entire storyline.


No Sigma Octanus=no Keyes Loop=no secret mission headed by Keyes=no Halo 1.

  • 07.17.2011 2:26 PM PDT

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  • 07.17.2011 2:29 PM PDT

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Why would they need to? NOBLE had nothing to do with those events, and the only time it would make sense to mention it would have to happen during the handover between them and Halsey. There is a reason why Bungie didn't include it and that's because (for the casual viewer) it would cause a disconnect. Honestly I can't believe I was to tired to realize that. The BO is more important then the SO when it deals with the events on reach. But the SO still remains the most important overall to those who dealt with it in TFoR.

  • 07.17.2011 6:47 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101
in the novel she decoded it nearly ASAP and they didn't know what the coordinates were


You should probably rephrase that sentence as "as soon as possible" gives us no sort of time frame at all. As soon as possible as in twenty years?
As soon as in a couple days?
Instantly?

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Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.

I never really got into this discussion so can someone please explain to me how the BC artifact makes the Sigma artifact invalid? From what I see, Sigma gives Cortana the coordinates and the BC artifact gives humans information that is immensely useful to them as a whole. I don't see how this makes one or the other non-canon, so can someone please explain.

  • 07.17.2011 9:31 PM PDT

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  • 07.17.2011 9:35 PM PDT

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Posted by: grey101
in the novel she decoded it nearly ASAP and they didn't know what the coordinates were


You should probably rephrase that sentence as "as soon as possible" gives us no sort of time frame at all. As soon as possible as in twenty years?
As soon as in a couple days?
Instantly?


There was never a time frame given, but considering 'glanced' at it and solved it while in the process of finding a random coordinate to jump to while evading Covenant fire it was in an incredibly short amount of time.

I'm still waiting for Joshua to explain where in Reach at all is Sigma Octanus and its artifact are mentioned.

  • 07.17.2011 9:37 PM PDT

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The Babd Catha Ice Shelf artifact never existed, it was all ONI propaganda!

  • 07.17.2011 9:39 PM PDT
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Posted by: ix forte xi

Posted by: grey101
in the novel she decoded it nearly ASAP and they didn't know what the coordinates were


You should probably rephrase that sentence as "as soon as possible" gives us no sort of time frame at all. As soon as possible as in twenty years?
As soon as in a couple days?
Instantly?


You should probably read the book.


Posted by: ImmortalJoshua
The UNSC has known about the Reach artifact for YEARS. There even built a base above it and a facility in it. That takes years. Therefore Halsey has of course been studying it for at least 5 years+.
Also the Sigma Octanius artifact is still canon. Reach itself makes some references to the event.
All Bungie did was some MINOR ret-cons. MINOR. Get over it.


I leave for 1 damn day and you have your little fun don't you?

As i told you in atleast 2 other threads halsey was only recently transferred to sword base. thus there was no time for that fan fic dream dream of yours to happen.

Halsey never "learned" forerunner; she just knows how to briefly interpret some of the lower level meanings and that wasn't until onyx.

I didn't find any references to sigma i would ask for a link but you would never give it or it would be halopedian.

"minor retcons" which is one word moron and no they are not; check roberto's post.

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  • 07.18.2011 5:32 AM PDT

To be honest, when I first saw all this in the weekly update I thought 2 things.
#1- there is an actual legendary ending but,
#2- No matter what anyone does,(kill all the bobs, hit all switches etc) that until the "time" mentioned in "There'll be another time..." is reached there won't be a legendary ending.

The weekly update by bungie has slowed my hardcore search for what unlocks the legendary ending.


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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
I liked Noble Six, lots of background potential in the character. But that's just me.

He was a fine addition, but his role was unnecessary.
UNNECESSARY! If he hadn't taken that half of Cortana back to the POA, she would haven't found halo! Not to mention the POA would have been GLASSED!

  • 07.18.2011 7:19 AM PDT

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Posted by: Plasma Prestige

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
I liked Noble Six, lots of background potential in the character. But that's just me.

He was a fine addition, but his role was unnecessary.
UNNECESSARY! If he hadn't taken that half of Cortana back to the POA, she would haven't found halo! Not to mention the POA would have been GLASSED!


Except that never would've happened because the Pillar was never supposed to be on the ground in the first place.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


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Posted by: mrhalo007

Posted by: Plasma Prestige

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
I liked Noble Six, lots of background potential in the character. But that's just me.

He was a fine addition, but his role was unnecessary.
UNNECESSARY! If he hadn't taken that half of Cortana back to the POA, she would haven't found halo! Not to mention the POA would have been GLASSED!


Except that never would've happened because the Pillar was never supposed to be on the ground in the first place.


Which is supported by keyes saying the autumn was not designed for use in atmosphere; which anybody with eyes can see

  • 07.18.2011 8:51 AM PDT
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Even though it is not explicitly stated, I had always assumed from the way it was described in the story that what Cortana gleened from the BC artifact was some kind of basic ability to translate some Forerunner language or something(especially since Halsey's journal states that "Cortana, however, is also the best suited AI on Reach to analyze the symbols and operating systems in Professor Sorvad's site," and, "I'll copy most of her IEP translation routines to an independant module," which is the part that was used to analyze the BC artifact), thus allowing a way to read the SO artifact. Unfortunately this is where my timeline between the book and the game is not up to snuff (the game's and the book's cross continuity being so ridiculously convoluted doesn't help). If Cortana reads the SO artifact and gets the coordiantes from them after the Pilar of Autumn somehow landed on Reach to pick up her other half/subroutine, then my original thought is not out of the realm of possibility (provided a logical explanation can be made for the Autumn even landing on Reach) and while not an official explanation, it is at least a possible one. If Cortana gets the coordinates from the SO artifact BEFORE the Autumn lands on Reach, then my original thought is of course not a possibility. Can anyone clarify which comes first?

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

she had the coordinates before they even got back to reach if i remember right.

  • 07.18.2011 10:03 AM PDT

I believe Sigma 7 will have something to do with Halo 4, but that's just me personally...

  • 07.18.2011 10:07 AM PDT

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Posted by: mrhalo007

Posted by: Plasma Prestige

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
I liked Noble Six, lots of background potential in the character. But that's just me.

He was a fine addition, but his role was unnecessary.
UNNECESSARY! If he hadn't taken that half of Cortana back to the POA, she would haven't found halo! Not to mention the POA would have been GLASSED!


Except you know, the whole Cortana figuring it out by herself on a whim on the Autumn in TFoR prior to Reach being conceived of.

  • 07.18.2011 10:21 AM PDT

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