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The forerunner's smallest ship was a "PLANET BREAKER"

Does anyone understand how the forerunners are supposed to lose?


Alright, perhaps the flood COULD use the forerunner's own ships against them, even though in Halo: Legends I never saw that happen...

Flood-infested planets-first of all, are no threat to "planet breakers"



Also, against all common sense, unless the forerunners were mentally insane, I find it incredibly amusing that they waited until the flood took over say... 51% of the forerunner tech and planets?


Even so, they had a hell lot of time to build the rings and the Ark, so I really cannot understand how this is supposed to work.

First of all:
Forerunners aren't exactly peaceful, or they wouldn't of had had super-ships that could probably remove black holes or who-knows-what from existence. Having these ships, they would of had blown the flood up the moment they decided their medicine pills were a failed project.

Secondly: This flood takeover must be really damn slow, because they had a huge amount of time to build Halo, and I'm certain building Halo takes longer than engineering a cure for the flood, which the humans had.

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Have you read Cryptum?....

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Posted by: privet caboose
Have you read Cryptum?....

Actually, no.

I'm guessing it answers my question?

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Posted by: Cowgoesmoo
Alright, perhaps the flood COULD use the forerunner's own ships against them, even though in Halo: Legends I never saw that happen...


I think you watched a different Halo Legends to the rest of us.

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Posted by: Cowgoesmoo
Alright, perhaps the flood COULD use the forerunner's own ships against them, even though in Halo: Legends I never saw that happen...


I think you watched a different Halo Legends to the rest of us.

Ok, well it was an exaggeration.

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Posted by: Cowgoesmoo
The forerunner's smallest ship was a "PLANET BREAKER"

Does anyone understand how the forerunners are supposed to lose?


Numbers.

Quite simply it was a numbers game and the Forerunner millitary could not keep up.

The main problem the Forerunners faced initially was that they had ubiquitous fast civilian FTL ships, the Flood could get hold of these easily and each individual vessel could spread the infestation to yet another world, with more ships on it.

The Forerunner Fleet was rarely beaten in space combat, but they could only be so many places at once.

If we assume that the flood can escape with 100 civilian ships (a ridiculously small estimate) from an infected world before the Fleet smites them all, then they can potentially carry the Flood to 100 other worlds.... If we assume the Forerunner react quickly enough to send ships to all those worlds in time that the flood can only nick say, 20 ships from each subsequent world (again, very low estimate given Flood spread rate) then the Flood now has 2000 ships that it can take anywhere it pleases......

Alright, perhaps the flood COULD use the forerunner's own ships against them, even though in Halo: Legends I never saw that happen...

They most assuredly could, it's explicitly stated to be the case in the Halo 3 terminals.
http://www.halo3archives.com/terminals/

From terminal 2:

"Enemy naval tactics:

When engaged, the enemy commits every non-supraluminal craft with no appreciable pattern or strategy beyond making physical contact. Conversely, all supraluminal craft leave on seemingly random trajectories"


Flood-infested planets-first of all, are no threat to "planet breakers"

The threat lies in the technology and spacecraft the Flood gains from the world, the Flood stuck planetside are contained.
(Untill such a time as they can use that planet's infrastructure to build more ships, at least.)

Also, against all common sense, unless the forerunners were mentally insane, I find it incredibly amusing that they waited until the flood took over say... 51% of the forerunner tech and planets?

They weren't insane, they just didn't become aware of the scale of the problem untill it was beyond their ability to contain, the Flood only needed to take a very small number of worlds to gain enough ships to spread like wildfire.

After that point, the spread rate is at least exponential, they would be all but impossible to contain.

The fact that the Forerunners also thought it their duty to try and protect the lesser races from the Flood speaks very highly of their people, but it was an added burden their millitary could not really afford.
They succeeded in the end of course, they managed to save a great many sentient species and their biospheres, preserving biodiversity in the galaxy. It cost the Forerunner their civilisation and their lives, but they managed to save a great deal.

Even so, they had a hell lot of time to build the rings and the Ark, so I really cannot understand how this is supposed to work.

Our galaxy is a *very very very* big thing, it contains 400 billion stars, Even if the Flood was consuming a million systems a day it would still take them nearly three thousand years to consume the galaxy.
The scale is vast.

First of all:
Forerunners aren't exactly peaceful, or they wouldn't of had had super-ships that could probably remove black holes or who-knows-what from existence. Having these ships, they would of had blown the flood up the moment they decided their medicine pills were a failed project.


Space is big, the Flood fleet is big, and the Forerunners ships, no matter how awesome, can only be in so many places.

Secondly: This flood takeover must be really damn slow, because they had a huge amount of time to build Halo, and I'm certain building Halo takes longer than engineering a cure for the flood, which the humans had.

Building megastructures was easy for the Forerunner, the Halo that replaces 04 was built by a completely automated factory in months.

The Humans did not have a cure per se, I won't go into detail as you haven't read Cryptum, but it was a pyrrhic victory for the Human-SanShyuum alliance. There are other factors too, but spoilers for Cryptum, suffice to say there are other reasons the Forerunner were at a disadvantage as well.

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I didn't want to post in this earlier but alot of your stuff is based on the terminals fin and not on cryptum.


the forerunners lost due to their own arrogance and politics. The humans indirectly assured them that the flood would return and instead of building shield worlds to protect forerunner space (defends platforms the didact suggested) the builders wanted to maintain political dominance and built the halo's instead.

So after spending a few thousand years being built the halo's were done and were to be used as system based superweapons against the flood. At the same time the flood was ravaging the outer rims of forerunner space and the forerunners wanted to keep the losses secret; thus they fought the flood for 300 years under the public eye.

That is why they failed. they wouldn't admit a foe was stronger than them nor would they take the time or might to fight it. Not only that but they turned the only race that could fight the flood into lemurs out of childish spite and jealousy.


I will not say they fully deserved it because there are always going to be good and smart minded individuals of a race. but i will say because of their arrogance that they brought that on themselves.

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"but you already knew that, I mean, how couldn't you?

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OP hasn't read Cryptum Grey, so I was trying to avoid spoilers.

The political situation did not help the Forerunner cause, EDIT: spoiler tags don't work it seems so i'll leave that out.
My other points still stand though, it was a numbers game and the Forerunner could not keep up.

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OP hasn't read Cryptum Grey, so I was trying to avoid spoilers.

The political situation did not help the Forerunner cause, EDIT: spoiler tags don't work it seems so i'll leave that out.
My other points still stand though, it was a numbers game and the Forerunner could not keep up.


well he wanted an answer to might as well tell him the truth.

True, but the flood were mainly attack and infecting forerunners. Had they returned and spent any number of years of infected the galaxy without the forerunner knowing than this would be fully true; but they seemed to come back just to attack the forerunners.

the full infection was only on the rim of forerunners space had the forerunners just announced the war from the start and attacked in force they would have won (just like the humans did); instead they ignored the flood,let it grow, THEN decided to attack when it was too late.


Now that i just realized this it seems odd. The flood never just ran and infected everything then attacked in full force. the infections were aimed...interesting

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Posted by: grey101I should pick up Cryptum... that was awesome.

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well he wanted an answer to might as well tell him the truth.


I did, I just left out a couple of events for politeness' sake, I don't like it when people tell me spoilers so unless the OP asks me to I'm going to avoid doing it.

His question is still answered, yes there are a couple of other factors, but I'd hesitate to say they were the sole reason the Forerunner lost or anything.

True, but the flood were mainly attack and infecting forerunners. Had they returned and spent any number of years of infected the galaxy without the forerunner knowing than this would be fully true; but they seemed to come back just to attack the forerunners.

I have lent my copy of Cryptum to a friend, could you explain that a little? (via PM might be easiest) I don't remember it ever being said only Forerunners were being attacked.

I'll happily agree with you that the only real worlds of millitary consequence lost were Forerunner ones, as the only thing that can stand up to Forerunner stuff is more Forerunner stuff.

the full infection was only on the rim of forerunners space had the forerunners just announced the war from the start and attacked in force they would have won (just like the humans did); instead they ignored the flood,let it grow, THEN decided to attack when it was too late.

Yeah if they'd hit it early it would have been contained, the problem is that once it's obvious just how dangerous the Flood is, and how brutal you have to be to contain it, it's past the point where containing it is easy.


Now that i just realized this it seems odd. The flood never just ran and infected everything then attacked in full force. the infections were aimed...interesting

I'd say the terminals would disagree (references to spiral growth throughout the galactic plain, while Forerunner worlds are inside the 'Maginot' Sphere), but perhaps we should make a new topic about it as it's kind of a side discussion.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Fin cryptum takes place at the begging of the end; the only part of the terminals to take place are MBs studying of the flood and his defection.

it is never stated but now that i understand the context (and the fact the flood first returned to a forerunner planet) glitters that they are only infecting the forerunners. Plus the forerunners were the only threat to them so logically they attack them trying to wipe them out so they can reign.

The forerunners already knew from the human-flood wars how dangerous the flood were

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Posted by: grey101
Fin cryptum takes place at the begging of the end;


I'm aware of that, it takes place at the point in time where Mendicant decides to throw his lot in with the Flood.

the only part of the terminals to take place are MBs studying of the flood and his defection.

Why so? There isn't any explicit contradiction.

Remember Cryptum mostly takes place from the point of view of a very low caste Forerunner (Bornstellar Makes Eternal Lasting), who doesn't have a clue what's going on most of the time. His ignorance of the Flood (and indeed a lot of stuff about his own people!) does not imply the higher caste/form Forerunner were ignorant about either.

it is never stated but now that i understand the context (and the fact the flood first returned to a forerunner planet) glitters that they are only infecting the forerunners.

With respect, this is your interpretation, I disagree with it as we have other evidence that suggests the Flood was making widespread gains throughout the galaxy, not just in Forerunner space.

Plus the forerunners were the only threat to them so logically they attack them trying to wipe them out so they can reign.

Agreed, the Forerunner were the only existential threat the Flood faced, their survival depended on getting hold of Forerunner equipment and knowledge.

The forerunners already knew from the human-flood wars how dangerous the flood were

But few of them believed it, they thought it a convenient lie, or an exaggerated tale, reality eventually sunk in I guess....

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Forerunner were in fact peaceful for the most part, the reason they kept such crazy ships was to police the galaxy, "maintain the peace" if you will. As for how they lost, well unfortunately they like others who advance so much were arrogant. They may have not meant to be but they failed to recognize the threat until it was too late. The flood outnumbered them by an insane amount plus the flood had been taking their ships which can be seen in origins not to mention the size difference in a lot of the flood back then. In 2552 pure forms were infantry sized, back in the Forerunner-flood war we saw flood that were the size of battleships and such. In the end it comes down to the fact that "quantity is a quality of its own"

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you are a good translator
Idiot can be a hard language to learn, but once you get it down, everything becomes so clear! The whole world will make sense to you.

There's also Mendicant Bias siding with the Flood.

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Fin cryptum takes place at the begging of the end;


I'm aware of that, it takes place at the point in time where Mendicant decides to throw his lot in with the Flood.

the only part of the terminals to take place are MBs studying of the flood and his defection.

Why so? There isn't any explicit contradiction.

Remember Cryptum mostly takes place from the point of view of a very low caste Forerunner (Bornstellar Makes Eternal Lasting), who doesn't have a clue what's going on most of the time. His ignorance of the Flood (and indeed a lot of stuff about his own people!) does not imply the higher caste/form Forerunner were ignorant about either.

it is never stated but now that i understand the context (and the fact the flood first returned to a forerunner planet) glitters that they are only infecting the forerunners.

With respect, this is your interpretation, I disagree with it as we have other evidence that suggests the Flood was making widespread gains throughout the galaxy, not just in Forerunner space.

Plus the forerunners were the only threat to them so logically they attack them trying to wipe them out so they can reign.

Agreed, the Forerunner were the only existential threat the Flood faced, their survival depended on getting hold of Forerunner equipment and knowledge.

The forerunners already knew from the human-flood wars how dangerous the flood were

But few of them believed it, they thought it a convenient lie, or an exaggerated tale, reality eventually sunk in I guess....


1. i am more aware of the view point of the book than anybody but cross referencing the terminals and the first book take place early in the end with BS defection happening.

Then with didacts statement of making more shield worlds at the end of the book goes confirms that the fall is just starting.

2. over exaggerations and possible even mistakes. we have been told the forerunners controlled the entire galaxy yet everything in cryptum is based around the orion arm. Didact himself says they should put onyx's in [b]forerunner dominated portions of space[b] not the entire galaxy itself.

not to mention there is no way the flood could spread through the entire galaxy in only 300 years seeing how they were gone for 10,000 years. which is a good timeframe for them to infect a large amount of a small nearby galaxy/

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To be honest, when I first saw all this in the weekly update I thought 2 things.
#1- there is an actual legendary ending but,
#2- No matter what anyone does,(kill all the bobs, hit all switches etc) that until the "time" mentioned in "There'll be another time..." is reached there won't be a legendary ending.

The weekly update by bungie has slowed my hardcore search for what unlocks the legendary ending.

They had numbers. For each infected being, it would multiply exponentially. you start with 1 infection form at 9:00 am, at 9:01 am, you already have 500 infection forms, depending on the local population, and growing at an uncontrollable pace. you infect an entire solar system, you have over a trillion!
As R'tas Vadum said, a single flood spore can destroy an entire civilization.

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Forerunner were in fact peaceful for the most part, the reason they kept such crazy ships was to police the galaxy, "maintain the peace" if you will. As for how they lost, well unfortunately they like others who advance so much were arrogant. They may have not meant to be but they failed to recognize the threat until it was too late. The flood outnumbered them by an insane amount plus the flood had been taking their ships which can be seen in origins not to mention the size difference in a lot of the flood back then. In 2552 pure forms were infantry sized, back in the Forerunner-flood war we saw flood that were the size of battleships and such. In the end it comes down to the fact that "quantity is a quality of its own"


they might have been peaceful but they were also highly arrogant, no extremely arrogant. not to mention they beat down humanity the first chance they got to "put them in their place". Might i add that they split them into 12 races so they would never become a single race again.

And they were fighting the flood from the start; they just didn't give it a full effort. And the flood size has never changed, it is just due to how much biomass the current infection has not to mention if the situation beckons them to be larger.

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"I don't care if it's God's own anti-Son of a -blam!- Machine or a giant hula-hoop!"

Think of the flood as a trail of blackpowder, leading to a keg of gunpowder. (One in the same.)

Now, when your first light it, it seems as if no harm can come about, and then.... it reaches the keg.

Also, fix the title please. (Loose)

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Posted by: grey101

1. i am more aware of the view point of the book than anybody but cross referencing the terminals and the first book take place early in the end with BS defection happening.

Then with didacts statement of making more shield worlds at the end of the book goes confirms that the fall is just starting.


Yes, I wasn't contesting when it took place at all, I'm afraid I've missed your point here.


2. over exaggerations and possible even mistakes. we have been told the forerunners controlled the entire galaxy yet everything in cryptum is based around the orion arm.

That seems to be where the Forerunner home worlds are, they appear to have some presence throughout the galaxy however.

The number of Forerunner worlds stated in Cryptum seems surprisingly low however, I can't remember the exact number but I remember thinking it was absurdly small.

Either way, Cryptum is not the be-all and end-all of information about the Forerunner, supplimental information just adds to it.

Didact himself says they should put onyx's in forerunner dominated portions of space not the entire galaxy itself.

This would fit with the eventual 'Maginot' Sphere concept, we know the Flood was spreading outside that though.

The Forerunner had no peers we know of after their war with the Human-San Shyumm alliance, they had de facto control of the galaxy even if they chose to be cautious about exercising that control.

not to mention there is no way the flood could spread through the entire galaxy in only 300 years seeing how they were gone for 10,000 years. which is a good timeframe for them to infect a large amount of a small nearby galaxy/

Exponential growth, if you would like I can run some numbers for you. We don't know where the Flood came back from, so it's all speculation at that point, we need more info.

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Forerunner were in fact peaceful for the most part, the reason they kept such crazy ships was to police the galaxy, "maintain the peace" if you will. As for how they lost, well unfortunately they like others who advance so much were arrogant. They may have not meant to be but they failed to recognize the threat until it was too late. The flood outnumbered them by an insane amount plus the flood had been taking their ships which can be seen in origins not to mention the size difference in a lot of the flood back then. In 2552 pure forms were infantry sized, back in the Forerunner-flood war we saw flood that were the size of battleships and such. In the end it comes down to the fact that "quantity is a quality of its own"


they might have been peaceful but they were also highly arrogant, no extremely arrogant. not to mention they beat down humanity the first chance they got to "put them in their place". Might i add that they split them into 12 races so they would never become a single race again.

And they were fighting the flood from the start; they just didn't give it a full effort. And the flood size has never changed, it is just due to how much biomass the current infection has not to mention if the situation beckons them to be larger.


Well I agree with the arrogance as I even stated myself but when the Forerunner fought the humans it was b/c the humans were aggressively expanding their empire without giving cause. The reason they were split was to stop them from becoming a threat again.

As for them fighting the flood, maybe I didn't put it right, I know they had been fighting for like 300 years I think but you actually point out what I meant to say. They were fighting but they didn't what they should have which is recognize the potential threat and react with extreme tactics like possibly sending in any and all war vessels(not literally all but you get my point). Instead they were fighting a war with an ever growing parasite without even telling other races and the entirety of their own race, yes there would be panic but you would also have a bunch of factions trying to churn out vessels for a coming opponent.

Finally I would say the flood did in fact change, like they had the ability to create the flood forms we see in 2552 back then as I believe we even see some in legends but back then they created forms that they couldn't do so easily now(or risk losing biomass they don't have to spare).

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Posted by: grey101

1. i am more aware of the view point of the book than anybody but cross referencing the terminals and the first book take place early in the end with BS defection happening.

Then with didacts statement of making more shield worlds at the end of the book goes confirms that the fall is just starting.


Yes, I wasn't contesting when it took place at all, I'm afraid I've missed your point here.


2. over exaggerations and possible even mistakes. we have been told the forerunners controlled the entire galaxy yet everything in cryptum is based around the orion arm.

That seems to be where the Forerunner home worlds are, they appear to have some presence throughout the galaxy however.

The number of Forerunner worlds stated in Cryptum seems surprisingly low however, I can't remember the exact number but I remember thinking it was absurdly small.

Either way, Cryptum is not the be-all and end-all of information about the Forerunner, supplimental information just adds to it.

Didact himself says they should put onyx's in forerunner dominated portions of space not the entire galaxy itself.

This would fit with the eventual 'Maginot' Sphere concept, we know the Flood was spreading outside that though.

The Forerunner had no peers we know of after their war with the Human-San Shyumm alliance, they had de facto control of the galaxy even if they chose to be cautious about exercising that control.

not to mention there is no way the flood could spread through the entire galaxy in only 300 years seeing how they were gone for 10,000 years. which is a good timeframe for them to infect a large amount of a small nearby galaxy/

Exponential growth, if you would like I can run some numbers for you. We don't know where the Flood came back from, so it's all speculation at that point, we need more info.


I fully agree that the terminals and cryptum go hand in and; don't forget IRIS ether.

It was 3 million worlds. yes that is a high number but for a race said to control the full galaxy it is small, which is way many of us debated that fact a few months ago.

Well in IRIS didact spoke of rethinking alliance's, but i think that was taking place before he was sent to his cryptum. i would need more info to find out what he meant by that statement.

Well i was thinking 10,000 years is a good amount of time to infect a few of the smaller galaxies if we are to believe they fully took over our galaxy in 300 years. If not i would like to think that would be enough time to fully infect a small galaxy.

Regardless, could you try running numbers on the smallest nearby galaxy you could find? then cross reference that with andromeda or something.

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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact

It's also worth saying that the Flood only conquered 12 star systems in those 300 years till the Timeless One joined the Flood,this is the moment when the Flood really go nuts

*waits for the new books*

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Posted by: Sparda Reborn
Forerunner were in fact peaceful for the most part, the reason they kept such crazy ships was to police the galaxy, "maintain the peace" if you will. As for how they lost, well unfortunately they like others who advance so much were arrogant. They may have not meant to be but they failed to recognize the threat until it was too late. The flood outnumbered them by an insane amount plus the flood had been taking their ships which can be seen in origins not to mention the size difference in a lot of the flood back then. In 2552 pure forms were infantry sized, back in the Forerunner-flood war we saw flood that were the size of battleships and such. In the end it comes down to the fact that "quantity is a quality of its own"


they might have been peaceful but they were also highly arrogant, no extremely arrogant. not to mention they beat down humanity the first chance they got to "put them in their place". Might i add that they split them into 12 races so they would never become a single race again.

And they were fighting the flood from the start; they just didn't give it a full effort. And the flood size has never changed, it is just due to how much biomass the current infection has not to mention if the situation beckons them to be larger.


Well I agree with the arrogance as I even stated myself but when the Forerunner fought the humans it was b/c the humans were aggressively expanding their empire without giving cause. The reason they were split was to stop them from becoming a threat again.

As for them fighting the flood, maybe I didn't put it right, I know they had been fighting for like 300 years I think but you actually point out what I meant to say. They were fighting but they didn't what they should have which is recognize the potential threat and react with extreme tactics like possibly sending in any and all war vessels(not literally all but you get my point). Instead they were fighting a war with an ever growing parasite without even telling other races and the entirety of their own race, yes there would be panic but you would also have a bunch of factions trying to churn out vessels for a coming opponent.

Finally I would say the flood did in fact change, like they had the ability to create the flood forms we see in 2552 back then as I believe we even see some in legends but back then they created forms that they couldn't do so easily now(or risk losing biomass they don't have to spare).


"without cause" with the flood ravaging them they had no choice but to take forerunner worlds, the didact himself said desperation is what made them savages.

If the forerunners were so peaceful and noble then why didn't they just find out why they were being attack and give the humans a few systems out of the 3 million worlds they had? seriously, if somebody you have been avoiding/ haven't seen in years showed up at your doorstep would you honestly shut it in their face or find out why they are there?

The forerunners so this as a chance to wipe out human competition and asked no such questions, and the only reason they were de-evolved even to that point was so the forerunners could hopefully find out how they beat the flood; if it wasn't for that they probably would have been killed off.

In all honesty, the humans did nothing wrong.


They knew damn well the extent of the flood (have you read cryptum?) they just blew it off because they thought they were unstoppable so they didn't care. The didact himself said it was there fault for treating it like a simply infection that can be cauterized (IRIS).


We fought the exact same flood the forerunners fought, only differance is it was a minor infection

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