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"but you already knew that, I mean, how couldn't you?
Only when no Human brick is left atop another, shall we be satisfied with your destruction.
Posted by: grey101
Which is clearly why people need to read "the flood".
I've read it, that's why I was giving it a little review.
Keyes himself wondered if he would be able to land on halo because the ship was already severely damaged from the battle at reach and it was not built for atmosphere as the autumn and other ships of her tonnage were built in space.
Yes it's designed for space, but it's quite clear it can set down on (or take off from) a planet's surface. We see it doing so. It's not even clear how necessary the little 'tug' thrusters are as they drop off once the Autumn is clear of the dock, and it then proceeds to fly off just fine.
It wasn't an "issue" because the goal was a crash landing and gravity did all the work. I believe this was all on page 40
Indeed, but it did infact manage to land, it was a crash landing but it was a controlled crash landing. It's a big chunk of Titanium-A heavy armour, it's not as if it's going to burn up on rentry.
Atmosphere or no, I'd suggest the main problem with landing it would be finding somewhere to support it's weight (the dedicated dock on Reach is obviosly one such place) and trying to get it back off the ground again (may need those 'tugs').
1. elites are not use to fighting on the ground, and their tactics were good.
The elites are the Covenant's 'elite' ground troops as well as naval officers, there is no excuse.
Pages 64-67.
You can't honestly tell me that's good tactics with a straight face.
Fistly the elites are attacking an infantry square of ODST, which, to be fair, probably had them really overconfident at the utter stupidity of their opponents... Then they decide to drive their ghosts up until they are within easy range of the now-immobilised infantry. And mill about for a bit, kill lots of their own men, run each other over, and generally behave like a mob of unruly children.
Then their officer has them all circle the same way around the immobile, totally vulnerable, exposed, and crazily-deployed ODSTs, reducing collisions between the elites by almost a third! While broken ghosts now start to give the ODSTs some cover. Then he brings in a few banshees, so the ODST can shoot them, as they don't appear to actually do anything.
When the officer dies, the other elites run away.
the ODST's were better and use to fighting on the ground.
Their tactics were 'good' for a battlefield of 1802, against heavy cavalry armed with lance and sabre.
There is a reason modern armies would never deploy in such a tight immobile formation, it involves the words "automatic weapons", like the kind mounted on ghosts, or carried by the elites...
Another reason is combined arms, but to be fair, the elite commander seems to have been gripping the idiot-ball with both hands and forgotton such things as rifles, artillery, mortars, suppression, air support, grenades, well, lets just leave it at "pretty much everything" to stop this list from going on a while. Suffice to say even running the ODST over would have been a better plan, it's not often that "ram them 'till they give up" is a better plan than one shown.
2.the one flood infection form that we know of was tired from sleepy for only iunno one hundred thousand years. i don't expect them to be in tip top shape after that.
Yep, that one faulty infection form, only one we know about that can't do what all the rest do, nothing like that ever mentioned before or since. The only one not under control of the proto-gravemind... Or maybe jenkins is just an absoloute beast and fought it off a bit... I just found it a bit ridiculous to be honest.
3. those are what we call typos
Indeed. There are far to many for an actual published book. The book needs an editor, badly. It doesn't add to the generally poor quality of writing, infact I'm forced to assume Mr Dietz was working to a really really harsh deadline, I wouldn't want to think all his work was that poor.
4. opinion. I and many others like the chief in the books more than in the games.
I did say "in my opinion".
I like the Chief in The Fall of Reach, and First Strike, I don't like his portrayal in the Flood.
About the only good points in my opinion were the brave grunt Yayap, and the bits about the Flood stealing Keyes' thoughts bit by bit, stripping away his mind.
I realise this has turned into a bit of a rant, so, apologies for that, just re-reading the bit about the infantry square etc reminded me how many head-to-desk moments were in that book.