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Subject: X vs Y Rules of Engagement

@accordingto343

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This thread is here to properly help those of you who wish to create a thread dedicated to one universe fight another universe. Examples include, but are not limited to Halo vs Star Wars, Halo vs Star Trek, and so on.

Over the Universe's history, we've had our fair share of vs threads. Though they are great fun, they quickly turn into a festering mess of angry fanboys fighting against other angry fanboys. It's not pretty.

Below are some basic ground rules to consider before making such a thread.

Rule #1

Set up the scenario.

Once you have your forces collected, you need to set the stage for your conflict. Typically a neutral location away from your faction's respective universes is ideal in case one side may have something special about their universe that gives them an unfair advantage.

Example: Star Wars' galaxy is surrounded by a hyperspace anomaly that prevents most of their forces from leaving. If it was Halo they were fighting, Halo could come or go as they please since exiting the Milky Way galaxy seems adapt at to that universe. Ignore the anomaly for Wars and then start fighting.

Rule #2

Bring in your units.

Before actually fighting though, you need to establish the units you are bringing it. If you feel it is necessary, bring in as many as you want. Once more people from the opposing side get their units down, the actual conflict can commence.

Rule #3

Keep up with the thread.

Nobody cares how much of an expert you are in any universe, keep up with the thread. If you are a newcomer and the thread in question is many pages in progress, start at the beginning. Nothing is more annoying than someone who comes into the thread without reading it and going "Halo beats all -blam!-es!". Such posts only create added tension to the thread.

Rule #4

Superweapons.

Pretty self-explanatory, things like the Halo rings, the Death Star, and so on are a tricky subject. While superweapons are part of sci-fi, the debate quickly becomes about them and them only. I would invalidate superweapons from participation, but if you are going to use them, make them logical. Don't say "I activate the Halo rings, Halo wins, debate over."

Rule #5

Know your stuff.

This should be obvious, but usually the smart people in the debate are drowned out by people who just spout random crap about the universe they are defending. This is where your sources come into play.

Use items like books, games, movies, and other media to make your argument about the power and efficiency of the vehicles, weapons, and forces at work in the debate. If you make a statement, provide the source of where you go it. That includes a quote, page number if it's a book or comic, or a video if it's a game or film.

Also, if the media in question has information about the weaknesses of your universes units, provide that too.

List of things not to do.

-If you do not understand the mechanics behind the universe that you are using (Mass Effect tech being based on Relays) then don't participate, even if your favorite universe is involved, ignorance is no excuse.

-If you are not going to accept the fact that your side might not win (Forerunners vs Xeelee or Reapers vs Forerunners) then don't participate. Covering your ears, or eyes in this case, and not accepting any opposing argument is not needed.

-Don't make a thread when it is obvious who would emerge victorious. (Forerunners vs Ewoks)

Conclusion

In conclusion, I hope those of you interested in vs threads read this and come away with something. When done right such threads can be fun mental exercises and a way to show your stuff, but that isn't always the case. Hope this helps.

I would like to credit grey101 for the help and the rest of the canon crew, you know who you are.


[Edited on 07.19.2011 2:24 PM PDT]

  • 07.19.2011 2:06 PM PDT
Subject: X vs Y Rule of Engagement

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And may vs thread forever be more enlightening and enjoying to participate in on any side.

  • 07.19.2011 2:09 PM PDT

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

Now i will participate in versus thread if this is followed.

Post this on archives under forum games also cobra

  • 07.19.2011 2:20 PM PDT

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Aren't versus threads against the rules of the Universe anyway? I feel like I was complaining to a mod about this at some point...

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Tzeentch is much pleased with this thread. All has gone according to plan...

  • 07.19.2011 2:25 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: Spartan1065
Aren't versus threads against the rules of the Universe anyway? I feel like I was complaining to a mod about this at some point...

Perhaps. However, we don't have a huge mod presence here so they occur. If they are going to happen, it's best they have order so we can prevent mass bannings towards those who participate.

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Indeed so. Thank you for creating this guide, it should be considered as rules for making vs thread, to keep it civilized and have some intelligent people speaking, it would make it more interesting.

  • 07.19.2011 2:41 PM PDT

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Posted by: Spartan1065
Aren't versus threads against the rules of the Universe anyway? I feel like I was complaining to a mod about this at some point...


No they're fine so long as there is an angle in which canon of the Halo universe is represented.

The problem with vs threads in the past was they got out of hand because people couldn't keep the conversation civil. That's why many of those got locked in the past.

  • 07.19.2011 2:46 PM PDT

Am I supposed to write something funny here?

Saved.

  • 07.19.2011 3:07 PM PDT


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Posted by: Spartan1065
Aren't versus threads against the rules of the Universe anyway? I feel like I was complaining to a mod about this at some point...


No they're fine so long as there is an angle in which canon of the Halo universe is represented.

The problem with vs threads in the past was they got out of hand because people couldn't keep the conversation civil. That's why many of those got locked in the past.


Yeah, the last major star wars vs halo thread I constantly tried saying stuff like this in the last pages before it got ignored/buried again.

I was consistently and constantly ignored... Seemed like people couldn't handle versus threads with rules or without god-factions and super weapons.

  • 07.19.2011 3:07 PM PDT
Subject: X vs Y Rules of Engagement

Sounds good, though I find rules in vs mtches to be reduntant, as they're not true universe vs universe fights.

Mass Effect vs Halo, Mass Effect wouldn't be able to jump for long-range FTL distances on account of their being no Mass Relays in a neutral setting, for example. They're not taking full advantage of the universe's full potential and hindering/aiding one side for no reason while the other side gets no benefits.

  • 07.19.2011 3:17 PM PDT


Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Sounds good, though I find rules in vs mtches to be reduntant, as they're not true universe vs universe fights.

Mass Effect vs Halo, Mass Effect wouldn't be able to jump for long-range FTL distances on account of their being no Mass Relays in a neutral setting, for example. They're not taking full advantage of the universe's full potential and hindering/aiding one side for no reason while the other side gets no benefits.


Maybe, but rules (as shown in the force user vs spartan debate) make the debate intelligent because people don't cling to random -blam!-.

true universe vs universe fights stutter and fail.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Sounds good, though I find rules in vs mtches to be reduntant, as they're not true universe vs universe fights.

Mass Effect vs Halo, Mass Effect wouldn't be able to jump for long-range FTL distances on account of their being no Mass Relays in a neutral setting, for example. They're not taking full advantage of the universe's full potential and hindering/aiding one side for no reason while the other side gets no benefits.


not to mention

Lack of AI's or AI defense systems

The battles in space are short because the ships overheat

kinetic barriers are weak to plasma and wouldn't stop light

sovereign alone destroyed an entire fleet, what would a single CCS class ship do or even a small forerunner ship?


honestly in any Halo Vs Mass effect battle bring up


-cortana or mendicant bias

- plasma weapons

- MAC rounds

- Long engagements


and your pretty much done.

  • 07.19.2011 3:22 PM PDT

Must make the comment since I hear about forerunner weapons being light and ignoring all shields...

Is forerunner shielding solid then? cause Sentinel's shields are transparent and the beam doesn't instantly pass through them <_<.

  • 07.19.2011 3:28 PM PDT

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Sentinel beams use negatively charged ions shaped and directed into a beam of superheated particles. When attached to a sentinel, it can fire indefinetly. It has low resource expanditure.

  • 07.19.2011 3:36 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Must make the comment since I hear about forerunner weapons being light and ignoring all shields...

Is forerunner shielding solid then? cause Sentinel's shields are transparent and the beam doesn't instantly pass through them <_<.


Sentinel beams apparently fire a plasma beam, light weapons were for more advanced sentinels or ships.

Besides, light bypasses ME shields because lasers do, along with other energy weapons as per Mass Effect canon.

  • 07.19.2011 3:38 PM PDT


Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Must make the comment since I hear about forerunner weapons being light and ignoring all shields...

Is forerunner shielding solid then? cause Sentinel's shields are transparent and the beam doesn't instantly pass through them <_<.


Sentinel beams apparently fire a plasma beam, light weapons were for more advanced sentinels or ships.

Besides, light bypasses ME shields because lasers do, along with other energy weapons as per Mass Effect canon.


I'm talking about to another forerunner ship. If the ship is visible with shields up, then a pure light based weapon would rip it apart just as easily.

  • 07.19.2011 3:51 PM PDT


Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Must make the comment since I hear about forerunner weapons being light and ignoring all shields...

Is forerunner shielding solid then? cause Sentinel's shields are transparent and the beam doesn't instantly pass through them <_<.


Sentinel beams apparently fire a plasma beam, light weapons were for more advanced sentinels or ships.

Besides, light bypasses ME shields because lasers do, along with other energy weapons as per Mass Effect canon.


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  • 07.19.2011 4:03 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Must make the comment since I hear about forerunner weapons being light and ignoring all shields...

Is forerunner shielding solid then? cause Sentinel's shields are transparent and the beam doesn't instantly pass through them <_<.


Sentinel beams apparently fire a plasma beam, light weapons were for more advanced sentinels or ships.

Besides, light bypasses ME shields because lasers do, along with other energy weapons as per Mass Effect canon.


I'm talking about to another forerunner ship. If the ship is visible with shields up, then a pure light based weapon would rip it apart just as easily.


In that case, the shielding technology is unknown

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Must make the comment since I hear about forerunner weapons being light and ignoring all shields...

Is forerunner shielding solid then? cause Sentinel's shields are transparent and the beam doesn't instantly pass through them <_<.


Sentinel beams apparently fire a plasma beam, light weapons were for more advanced sentinels or ships.

Besides, light bypasses ME shields because lasers do, along with other energy weapons as per Mass Effect canon.


Although, he is correct. Light can bypass the ME shields because lasers were known to do this way and it is stated in ME canon (Codex).

And Cdmr,

it is likely that Forerunners use hard light as barriers, offering protection against hard light-based ship grade weapons and plasma based ship grade weapons. I might be wrong, although.

[Edited on 07.19.2011 4:24 PM PDT]

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

Forerunners use barriers not shields, while it is the same thing barriers are obviously stronger.

  • 07.19.2011 4:21 PM PDT
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Posted by: goldhawk
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Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Sounds good, though I find rules in vs mtches to be reduntant, as they're not true universe vs universe fights.

Mass Effect vs Halo, Mass Effect wouldn't be able to jump for long-range FTL distances on account of their being no Mass Relays in a neutral setting, for example. They're not taking full advantage of the universe's full potential and hindering/aiding one side for no reason while the other side gets no benefits.

I asked Cobra a similar thing on another site and his reply was:
Posted by: DecepticonCobra
I would think all universes mode of transport function in this neutral point.


[Edited on 07.19.2011 4:25 PM PDT]

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"but you already knew that, I mean, how couldn't you?

Only when no Human brick is left atop another, shall we be satisfied with your destruction.

I think we should add that when people say "Halo vs..." they generally mean the UNSC/Covenant vs whatever, people should specify if they mean to include the Forerunner or the Flood, because either of the latter factions at their height make the UNSC and Covenant utterly irrelevant.

  • 07.19.2011 4:54 PM PDT

Course, in a universe vs universe debate... How could we really bring all the factions to bear at full strength?

To have UNSC or Covenant, the flood and forerunners have to be gone. To have forerunners, precursors have to be gone. To have precursors means everybody else isn't around. to have flood means the foreunners are majorly weakened.

And so on.

And if you apply this to all the factions... it's goes out of control.

[Edited on 07.19.2011 6:20 PM PDT]

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