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Subject: Would an Arbiter been sent to Kill Noble Six and Emile?
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Posted by: Ageless Durandal
Oh my god. Really guys?

Alright, Thel was a Supreme Commander. He commanded an entire fleet of ships. He would never, ever leave his command vessel to go kill some Spartan-IIIs. Especially when there were still Spartan-IIs on the planet. ALSO, I believe the original topic was if "an" Arbiter was on Reach and no canon source has even mentioned an Arbiter during that era.

Common sense isn't so common, apparently.


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  • 07.22.2011 3:54 PM PDT

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Outside of a BOARD GAME, which has like absolutely nothing to do with canon, there is no evidence to support an Arbiter being at Reach.
Hey man the board game is super canon. In my mind it goes:
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  • 07.22.2011 4:00 PM PDT

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I don't think they would send an Arbiter to kill two Spartan IIIs.

  • 07.22.2011 4:25 PM PDT

It is Rtas 'Vadumee he holds his energy sword left handed like in halo wars.

  • 07.22.2011 4:54 PM PDT

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Posted by: skull2398
It is Rtas 'Vadumee he holds his energy sword left handed like in halo wars.

Proof please.

  • 07.22.2011 5:10 PM PDT

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Posted by: skull2398
It is Rtas 'Vadumee he holds his energy sword left handed like in halo wars.

There are 9 billion Sangheili. Therefore there are sure to be billions of left handed people in their race. You just happen to pick one in specific because...why exactly?

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What do you mean Halo Wars?

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  • 07.22.2011 5:26 PM PDT
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Posted by: grey101
no, the "arbiter" was in space.

  • 07.22.2011 5:27 PM PDT

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Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: skull2398
It is Rtas 'Vadumee he holds his energy sword left handed like in halo wars.

There are 9 billion Sangheili. Therefore there are sure to be billions of left handed people in their race. You just happen to pick one in specific because...why exactly?

Nope.avi

What do you mean Halo Wars?
Anton is right. It could have been Rtas, but that is highly unlikely. It was most likely just a random elite who just so happened to be left handed.

  • 07.22.2011 5:29 PM PDT

I understand that many other elites could be left handed, but the covenant sending a high ranking elite to bring you down in lone wolf is a neat idea.

  • 07.22.2011 5:31 PM PDT

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Posted by: RU551NSP4RT4N
I understand that many other elites could be left handed, but the covenant sending a high ranking elite to bring you down in lone wolf is a neat idea.
I agree. That is why I initially said it could have been (keyword is could) an Arbiter. I know there is no evidence to what he was but it is a possibility.

  • 07.22.2011 5:32 PM PDT

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Posted by: skull2398
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuFkKHcxc3w
fixed

  • 07.22.2011 5:41 PM PDT

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"An" arbiter? To my knowledge, there was only one arbiter at a time, and Thel was in space.

  • 07.22.2011 5:48 PM PDT

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Posted by: Ageless Durandal
Oh my god. Really guys?

Alright, Thel was a Supreme Commander. He commanded an entire fleet of ships. He would never, ever leave his command vessel to go kill some Spartan-IIIs. Especially when there were still Spartan-IIs on the planet. ALSO, I believe the original topic was if "an" Arbiter was on Reach and no canon source has even mentioned an Arbiter during that era.

Common sense isn't so common, apparently.


Thank you, i have been saying this for atleast iunno all day


Actually you happened to be the one who brought up the arbiter in the first place, so as far as things go your day long discussion has been nobodies fault but your own.

And to get everyone back on topic I'll dip a little further into this.

Since this is at a point a pure speculation thread trying to have some basis in logic I'll point out the details.

1) The elite is left handed, not exactly a common thing but then again irrelevant to anything other to hundreds of millions (just a figure pulled out of my ass, not a fact based figure) of elites who are left handed.

2) In all likely hood the force hunting down Noble six in the end is also from the ship that he had damaged earlier. I doubt a ship commander would let a man all by himself get away with "gutting" his ship. Now sure this is speculative but it's definitely a likely possibility.

3)Now the ships crew comes into question, are they apart of the fleet that flew in the poles? The final level of reach (Lone wolf) takes place on the very day that the main fleet arrives in space and the very day that reach is supposed to fall. But do you think that the invading fleet coming from the poles could reach azod? It's definitely possible, they attacked the poles around 06:00 on the 30th and noble six was attacked at 20:00 on the 30th.

But my guess is that it was one of the ships that landed on reach well before the game had started, that this ship had some spec-ops missions to accomplish. While this is a far fetched guess relying on speculation, we don't have much evidence at all to prove anything at this point.

4) So far Nobel team has faced a lot of Zealot class elites during their service on reach. Kind of odd so many zealot classes are on reach let alone before the main force has set up shop. So recalling that Noble team has killed 7 zealot class elites. Now I don't know as much as I would like to about zealot elites but my guess is that there are not a lot of them. And considering a zealot decided to find his way to kill the spartans off the side of the phantom I'm guessing that the Noble team spartans are a high priority. Hell they killed a field marshall before six rides the Onager (Correct me if I am wrong).


Considering all these details it's not too far fetched to think this particular cruiser could be filled with spec-ops forces. And as we all know a particular well known spec-ops elite named 'Rtas Vadum happens to be both left handed, and the special operations commander.

Now there is a lot of speculation here, but we are discussing who this particular elite is, and why bungie decided to make him stand out so much with him being left handed. It's possible that he is an arbiter (NOT THE HALO 2 ARBITER), but we have very little knowledge on this part.

The only hole in the theory of it possibly being 'Rtas is where 'Rtas was during all of this. It's definitely clear that he is near halo after reach considering the events, but it's not clear if he was apart of the fleet that chased the PoA, or if he wasn't even apart of the invasion.

Any info on his whereabouts would definitely settle this quickly.

Posted by: Ageless Durandal
Oh my god. Really guys?

Alright, Thel was a Supreme Commander. He commanded an entire fleet of ships. He would never, ever leave his command vessel to go kill some Spartan-IIIs.


Voro left a small fleet of ships over onyx for the assault of a group of spartan III's, a portion of blue team, and the forerunner mysteries that lied within.

While yes this is a poor comparison considering Voro was recently elected to command the fleet, and Reach is nothing compared to onyx, the fact still remains that this small spartan team has done a lot in a small period of time, and killed many high leveled elites on multiple occasions.

Now I wouldn't believe in a second that Thel would drop out of orbit, kill one spartan (Or an expected team), and then chase the POA as it jumped (Which according to the fall of reach was around 07:00 or the game Reach around 18:00 or 19:00).

  • 07.22.2011 6:49 PM PDT

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  • 07.22.2011 7:34 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Posted by: tinyohyeah
Considering all these details it's not too far fetched to think this particular cruiser could be filled with spec-ops forces. And as we all know a particular well known spec-ops elite named 'Rtas Vadum happens to be both left handed, and the special operations commander.

The link between the Elites that killed 6 and the Spec-Ops division is completely non-sequitur. There is no worthwhile reason to assume that Spec-Ops must necessarily follow to the extent that this is even worth discussing.

The Seeker of Truth is a Part of the Fleet of Particular Justice. Rtas serves aboard this ship. When the PoA fled Reach, Thel said (In Halo 2) that he followed with all of the ships in his command, which means The Fleet of Particular Justice. Which means that the Seeker of Truth also goes with him. As this takes place 12 or so hours before 6 is killed, Rtas is ruled out. He cannot be in two places at once.

Posted by: tinyohyeah
and why bungie decided to make him stand out so much with him being left handed. It's possible that he is an arbiter (NOT THE HALO 2 ARBITER), but we have very little knowledge on this part.

There is nothing that stands out about him being left handed at all.

I mean seriously, look at what you are saying. You are implying that only an Arbiter can be left handed, as if by some miraculous blessing by the Prophets or some (Obviously redundant) technological boon bestowed upon them, that this "ability" only becomes possible for any Sangheili IN EXISTENCE "to achieve".

It is completely ridiculous. I am sorry but it is.

There is no evidence at all for the claim of it being Rtas, Thel or "An Arbiter" at all. It is a left handed Elite with an energy sword, and nothing else can be presumed.

  • 07.22.2011 7:34 PM PDT


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Posted by: SafariTK
Maybe the elite's foot that steps in front of the screen at the end of Lone Wolf was an Arbiter.


Why do people think that Elite is an Arbiter O_o There's nothing at all to back that up or even lead to that assumption...and it's certainly NOT Thel Vadamee (the Arbiter of Halo 2/3)!
I know we have no clue what that elite really was. Hell, it was probably just a Zealot. I was just saying it was a possibility that an Arbiter led the battle in Lone Wolf.

Also, of course it wasn't Thel, at the time he wasn't even an Arbiter. He was a Supreme Commander and was in space.


That wasn't really addressed to you, sorry if it seemed like I was attacking you or something, I was more expressing my exasperation with the whole idea. Loads of people online say it was an/the Arbiter, my younger brothers believe it was Thel...I have to deal with it a lot unfortunately :/

  • 07.22.2011 7:53 PM PDT

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  • 07.22.2011 7:54 PM PDT

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Posted by: anton1792
The link between the Elites that killed 6 and the Spec-Ops division is completely non-sequitur. There is no worthwhile reason to assume that Spec-Ops must necessarily follow to the extent that this is even worth discussing.

The Seeker of Truth is a Part of the Fleet of Particular Justice. Rtas serves aboard this ship. When the PoA fled Reach, Thel said (In Halo 2) that he followed with all of the ships in his command, which means The Fleet of Particular Justice. Which means that the Seeker of Truth also goes with him. As this takes place 12 or so hours before 6 is killed, Rtas is ruled out. He cannot be in two places at once.


I pointed this out that this is only a guess, particularly that this is a speculative thread, and to my extent I did not know where 'Rtas was in all of this simply because I do not remember it being mentioned anywhere in TFoR or The Flood.

Which is why I said this

The only hole in the theory of it possibly being 'Rtas is where 'Rtas was during all of this. It's definitely clear that he is near halo after reach considering the events, but it's not clear if he was apart of the fleet that chased the PoA, or if he wasn't even apart of the invasion.

Any info on his whereabouts would definitely settle this quickly.



There is nothing that stands out about him being left handed at all.


The scene in Reach depicts an elite of high ranking opening his energy sword while left handed, it's not exactly the most significant thing, but it taking up a large portion of the screen is indicative of having significance.


I mean seriously, look at what you are saying. You are implying that only an Arbiter can be left handed, as if by some miraculous blessing by the Prophets or some (Obviously redundant) technological boon bestowed upon them, that this "ability" only becomes possible for any Sangheili IN EXISTENCE "to achieve".

It is completely ridiculous. I am sorry but it is.

There is no evidence at all for the claim of it being Rtas, Thel or "An Arbiter" at all. It is a left handed Elite with an energy sword, and nothing else can be presumed.


All speculative threads are ridiculous, and presumption should be welcome in one.

You act as if I base my ideas on facts, that I base them to prove that it's him, or an arbiter, or one of the many elites.

It's all speculation, and I thought that I made that perfectly clear multiple times.

Since this is at a point a pure speculation thread trying to have some basis in logic I'll point out the details.

Now sure this is speculative but it's definitely a likely possibility.

While this is a far fetched guess relying on speculation, we don't have much evidence at all to prove anything at this point.

Now there is a lot of speculation here,...

I had no intent of making this post fact based, only detail based, small minute things that could lead to a ridiculous point.

Also


You are implying that only an Arbiter can be left handed,


I am not, I am only saying that it was possibly an arbiter. Which is apart of the thread considering that the subject has been brought up more than once. While yes the possibility is very low but it's still one. It's also more likely in this case considering all that we have is an image of a foot and him wielding a sword left handed that he could be one of the many left handed elites who have a high enough rank to have one.

Again, this is speculative, not factual.

[Edited on 07.22.2011 8:20 PM PDT]

  • 07.22.2011 8:05 PM PDT

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Posted by: tinyohyeah
Voro left a small fleet of ships over onyx for the assault of a group of spartan III's, a portion of blue team, and the forerunner mysteries that lied within.

While yes this is a poor comparison considering Voro was recently elected to command the fleet, and Reach is nothing compared to onyx, the fact still remains that this small spartan team has done a lot in a small period of time, and killed many high leveled elites on multiple occasions.


Yes, but as a Fleet Commander, it was his job to setup and guide his members through the Silver Path to the Dyson Sphere. It was out of religious duty he left his ship, not out of battle vanity.


Also, I'd like to point out that the Zealots' sent after Noble Team were probably all lead by that Field Marshall that took out the Relay station. He probably had a personal vendetta against them. (As in, I don't think he was ordered to track them down, but I could be wrong. In The Flood, Zuka had to get permission to track and kill the Chief.)

Also, according to the HGN, Rtas was stationed on Thel's ship during Halo 1. So, he left with him when the Autumn left for Halo.

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Posted by: Ageless Durandal
Yes, but as a Fleet Commander, it was his job to setup and guide his members through the Silver Path to the Dyson Sphere. It was out of religious duty he left his ship, not out of battle vanity.


I'm not entirely sure if it was truly a religious duty on Voro. I recently re-read onyx and found that particular moment to be more of a personal decision rather than a religious duty. Because if it was a religious duty we would have seen more of the rites and rituals while assaulting the facility.

Then again this is just my personal interpretation on it.

Also, I'd like to point out that the Zealots' sent after Noble Team were probably all lead by that Field Marshall that took out the Relay station. He probably had a personal vendetta against them. (As in, I don't think he was ordered to track them down, but I could be wrong. In The Flood, Zuka had to get permission to track and kill the Chief.)

It's interesting to think about the covenant when we know so little. Considering the cluster -blam!- that was reach in the early stages of the invasion I wouldn't expect the covenant to care too much if a zealot team happened to go about their own business considering that at times the spartan team that killed their members also happened to have carried around some vital data for a short period of time. I wouldn't expect much would be said other than "Go" if the field Marshall had asked for permission to hunt.

But this definitely is speculation, and in a way I love it, but it's all just for fun.

Also, according to the HGN, Rtas was stationed on Thel's ship during Halo 1. So, he left with him when the Autumn left for Halo.

Yes, Anton has made that perfectly clear, I would ask for a source but I don't think that's necessary. Searching through the book for the one moment that one character in an entire universe had shown up can be a pain if you happen to forget the moment.

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  • 07.23.2011 2:28 AM PDT

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Btw guys, Thel Vadamee (Yes, i spelt it wrong) Wasn't the arbiter since until halo 2........

And also the arbiter was never on reach, unless you count the board game as canon... he was in space though, cant remember were i read it though....

  • 07.23.2011 3:25 AM PDT

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I wouldn't think they would send an Arbiter for just two Spartans.

i LOL'ed at this. An entire Covenant fleet was sent after ONE spartan.


Um negative. it was sent after a fleeing ship that happened to carry a spartan.



Also negative, maybe one or two ships were but the main fleet was actually brought there by co ordinate arhat the covenant found on a forerunner stone that they found on a human planet. Cotta an also had those coordinates and made the jump as they were fleeing reach

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