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Good point and that also is what I mean about using one Mac as a cookie cutter. Let's not forget that Macs are just huge planet crackers and would put a huge hole in anything.

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Posted by: L KOLIEAN L
Good point and that also is what I mean about using one Mac as a cookie cutter. Let's not forget that Macs are just huge planet crackers and would put a huge hole in anything.


Indeed, but MAC aren't exactly planet crackers, more like nuclear warheads instead of being actual nuclear warheads.

  • 07.24.2011 1:07 PM PDT

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Planet cracker was to vague, I just meant that alot of the Macs in orbit and in the stories could easy send a Mac round miles into the surface of a planet, the explosion depending on what it hits. Do to the effects of a Mac I think it's logical to think that we haven't seen the full effects of one in game. I also look at the explosion as being a merely one of the side effects of it's use and I believe it is very possible that a round to not explode on contact and instead keep moving on, as really most of the explosions we see are often because of the breaching of the container it's held in (I don't now the actual terms for it for the life of me lol) but yeah all and all we're right.

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  • 07.24.2011 1:15 PM PDT

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Posted by: L KOLIEAN L
Good point and that also is what I mean about using one Mac as a cookie cutter. Let's not forget that Macs are just huge planet crackers and would put a huge hole in anything.


Indeed, but MAC aren't exactly planet crackers, more like nuclear warheads instead of being actual nuclear warheads.

MACs arent like nukes. MAC round is powerful because it has lots of kinetic enrgy. When MAC is fired into an asteroid, it doesn't blow up (no big fireball). It just shatters.

That "as powerful as 64 kiloton nuke" means that nuke releases x amount of energy as heat and light and other things. MAC releases that energy as kinetic energy.

And I believe those frigates in Halo 3 fired their MACs in full power. Forerunner armor is just that strong.

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Posted by: L KOLIEAN L
Good point and that also is what I mean about using one Mac as a cookie cutter. Let's not forget that Macs are just huge planet crackers and would put a huge hole in anything.


Indeed, but MAC aren't exactly planet crackers, more like nuclear warheads instead of being actual nuclear warheads.

MACs arent like nukes. MAC round is powerful because it has lots of kinetic enrgy. When MAC is fired into an asteroid, it doesn't blow up (no big fireball). It just shatters.

That "as powerful as 64 kiloton nuke" means that nuke releases x amount of energy as heat and light and other things. MAC releases that energy as kinetic energy.

And I believe those frigates in Halo 3 fired their MACs in full power. Forerunner armor is just that strong.


That was in space, there is no friction which it allows MAC round to shatter or put a giant hole any objects like asteroid or Covenant ships.

And, MAC firing in atmosphere is different principle because you have to consider about friction. When it fired, it unleashed superheated (Fall of Reach described about a slug being red-hot as it fired) slug in 30,000m/s, it would cause nuclear blast because of friction. As if you said that MAC shatters on target, then means that Halo 3's cutscene shouldn't have that explosion at all, just a large spark effect caused by shattering the slugs.

Frankly, I don't think that Frigates at Halo 3 fired in full power.

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[quote]Posted by: Gamer Whale
And, MAC firing in atmosphere is different principle because you have to consider about friction. When it fired, it unleashed superheated (Fall of Reach described about a slug being red-hot as it fired) slug in 30,000m/s, it would cause nuclear blast because of friction. As if you said that MAC shatters on target, then means that Halo 3's cutscene shouldn't have that explosion at all, just a large spark effect caused by shattering the slugs.

MACs don't cause nuclear blasts, Nukes cause nuclear blasts. In-atmospehere MAC just causes a shockwave (which in Halo 3 would mainly go into the massive portal-crater and up in the air). And that explosion was caused by conventional munitions carried by longswords.

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[quote]Posted by: Gamer Whale
And, MAC firing in atmosphere is different principle because you have to consider about friction. When it fired, it unleashed superheated (Fall of Reach described about a slug being red-hot as it fired) slug in 30,000m/s, it would cause nuclear blast because of friction. As if you said that MAC shatters on target, then means that Halo 3's cutscene shouldn't have that explosion at all, just a large spark effect caused by shattering the slugs.

MACs don't cause nuclear blasts, Nukes cause nuclear blasts. In-atmospehere MAC just causes a shockwave (which in Halo 3 would mainly go into the massive portal-crater and up in the air). And that explosion was caused by conventional munitions carried by longswords.


I meant that nuclear blast-like (massive shock-wave), not direct nuclear blast.

  • 07.24.2011 2:00 PM PDT

I'd say in halo 3, the explosions weren't so much from the three frigates, and more from the swarm of longswords + missiles.

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
I'd say in halo 3, the explosions weren't so much from the three frigates, and more from the swarm of longswords + missiles.


That's understandable. However, about MAC firing in full charge would have caused VERY large shock-wave. As seeing that "supposed" be maximum yield of 64kts, is quite large. I used a calculation and it shows that air blast radius (widespread destruction) is 2.9 kilometers. Fatal radius is 1.1 kilometers. It is obvious that MC and Arbiter should have felt the effects of shock-wave like showing tense pose or grasping something.

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Posted by: raganok99

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
I'd say in halo 3, the explosions weren't so much from the three frigates, and more from the swarm of longswords + missiles.


That's understandable. However, about MAC firing in full charge would have caused VERY large shock-wave. As seeing that "supposed" be maximum yield of 64kts, is quite large. I used a calculation and it shows that air blast radius (widespread destruction) is 2.9 kilometers. Fatal radius is 1.1 kilometers. It is obvious that MC and Arbiter should have felt the effects of shock-wave like showing tense pose or grasping something.

With the size of the portal, they would feel small gust.

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  • 07.24.2011 9:10 PM PDT

Wrong wrong wrong.

All MACs in halo are coilguns which is another name for gauss gun, they use an electric pulse through the coils in the form of a Gaussian curve to drive the projectile. They are very similar to a solenoid or liner motor, infact they basically are.

Railguns drive the projectile via something called the Lorentz force and NOT electromagnetism like a coilgun. Overall railguns are far more complicated devices.

  • 07.24.2011 10:11 PM PDT
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Just take the bloody size of each gun and compare them.

Both fire a projectile using electromagnets,except that the means in which the projectile is "fired" or "prepared" is different.

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Unless the blast radius had a diameter bigger than 117km for the MAC strike on the keyship, I don't see why not use it at full power.

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Posted by: Dustin 6047
They are the same, you don't know how they work. And the guy who said that the Halo 3 cutscene frigates fired at low power is a dumbass. They are trying to destroy a Forerunner keyship and they're just going to fire at low power? Stupid. And what civilians? They're all dead. So where does it say it would cause an explosion? Nowhere. The projectile would have to go faster than the speed of light to cause an explosion. Not 04% of c.


Excuse me... No need to throw tantrum over this forum. At least, you should know well enough to be civilized instead acting like a little child.

First thing, let me repeat things for you: Coilguns and Railguns ARE DIFFERENT, NOT SAME. Understand? Frankly, I think you misunderstood the scientific principles behind of the two different versions of weapons.

And I miscalculated due to seeing large explosion, as I thought it was from MAC strike but I was wrong, due to Interceptors. I admitted my mistake. No need to beat the dead horse.

And there is presence of civilians. Remember Voi? Yeah that.


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