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Subject: Denominyzing the internet
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There is a bill being introduced to the NJ Assembly that would require web forums users (like these) to register with their real name and personal info. Apparantly the idea is to allow forum users who are offended by someone's post to collect the offending posters real information and sue them.

Not only does this appear blatently Orwellian, but is this really the direction we want to go in as a society? Has the liberal mindset dumbed down Free Speech to such an extent that this is even possible?

Here is a snippet from the bill.

* The operator of any interactive computer service or an Internet service provider shall establish, maintain and enforce a policy to require any information content provider who posts written messages on a public forum website either to be identified by a legal name and address, or to register a legal name and address with the operator of the interactive computer service or the Internet service provider through which the information content provider gains access to the interactive computer service or Internet, as appropriate.


* Any person who is damaged by false or defamatory written messages that originate from an information content provider who posts such messages on a public forum website may file suit in Superior Court against an operator or provider that fails to establish, maintain and enforce the policy required pursuant to section 2 of P.L. , c. (C.) (pending before the Legislature as this bill), and may recover compensatory and punitive damages and the cost of the suit, including a reasonable attorney's fee, cost of investigation and litigation from such operator or provider.


What's everyone's thoughts on this? Link here --> http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2006/Bills/A1500/1327_I1.HTM

  • 03.07.2006 5:36 AM PDT
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Posted by: impurity
This thread has been moved from Zanzibar to the Septagon due to it discussing a topic that more involves the forum community than Halo 2 multiplayer. If another moderator finds this to be political, feel free to lock it.


Can someone please explain to me how this could be interpreted as 'political'?

  • 03.07.2006 6:02 AM PDT
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it would be nice to sue spammers and racists... :)

  • 03.07.2006 6:12 AM PDT
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Yes, I can just see it now. Say something that, for whatever reason, offends someone of unstable mind and, oh dear, here they are at my door!!!!

Realhammer in hand and unjust anger in their heart!!!

Considering the number of mis-understandings that we have here on the forums and considering how some people have much lower anger thresholds than others, I can see this being a really great way of increasing the numbers in the prisons. It would also be a great way to halt all forms of public discussion!

  • 03.07.2006 6:35 AM PDT
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Posted by: Nezzy Bast
Yes, I can just see it now. Say something that, for whatever reason, offends someone of unstable mind and, oh dear, here they are at my door!!!!

Realhammer in hand and unjust anger in their heart!!!

Considering the number of mis-understandings that we have here on the forums and considering how some people have much lower anger thresholds than others, I can see this being a really great way of increasing the numbers in the prisons. It would also be a great way to halt all forms of public discussion!


Exactly.

Althought I wouldn't really expect this bill to pass; politicians have ways of pork-barreling these types of ideaologies into other bits of legistlation that sadly the majority of the assembly do not even read before voting on.

  • 03.07.2006 6:56 AM PDT

How many Christians must you slap until one of them turns the other cheek?

"What came first? The stone-tool or the shadow-puppet?"
sung by: Adam "Dose One" Drucker

Think about it, "God" is an atheist.

FREE SPEECH RULES

when did people get the idea that they have the right to NOT EVER be offended? its a part of life, deal with it.

OUCH!! *hit by arrow* .....what the?

  • 03.07.2006 7:14 AM PDT
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While this is political, I believe that this is not the -kind- of political discussion that deserves to be locked =)

This is a weird bit of legislation... I wonder who thought it up? It seems to go against free speech, at least to some extent...

  • 03.07.2006 7:19 AM PDT

How many Christians must you slap until one of them turns the other cheek?

"What came first? The stone-tool or the shadow-puppet?"
sung by: Adam "Dose One" Drucker

Think about it, "God" is an atheist.

Forgot to add this.....If you are offended by a tv show, then change the channel. If you are offended by a radio station, listen to a CD. If you are offended by forums, DON'T READ THEM.

case closed.

OUCH!! *hit by arrow* .....what the?

  • 03.07.2006 7:56 AM PDT

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That is ignorant, if someone really got pissed they would come and kill you. I know several people who would do that. *maybe I should get new friends*

  • 03.07.2006 8:05 AM PDT

Posted by: gnome13
dude, you pulled a jesus!

Oh great! If this actually were to be passed, when someone doesn't get my jokes, I'll just end up with a phone call from some screaming person... or worse, at my door.

Yeah this is a real good idea...

  • 03.07.2006 8:16 AM PDT
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Thats pretty retarded...

  • 03.07.2006 8:20 AM PDT
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The one good part is it would act as a deterrent to internet-based libel.

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I beleive most people know to take information from the internet with a pinch of salt. This is going way too far, in my opinion... Maybe on front pages of websites but within forums? It's like someone overhearing a group of friends say they don't like someone and suing them for it...

  • 03.07.2006 8:55 AM PDT
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Posted by: Security Officer
The one good part is it would act as a deterrent to internet-based libel.


I honestly fail to realize how there can be anything 'good' about it.

Yeah, let's overwhelm the already congested court system with another round of frivolous lawsuits that facilitate the demise of open debate by intimidating the exchange of ideas (however heated the arguments may become).

Of course this will stifle free speech on the internet, you would have to review every sentence thoroughly and ask, "might this offend someone, anyone at all?"

Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
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  • 03.07.2006 8:58 AM PDT
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Posted by: MiddleFingerYOU
Forgot to add this.....If you are offended by a tv show, then change the channel. If you are offended by a radio station, listen to a CD. If you are offended by forums, DON'T READ THEM.

case closed.

OUCH!! *hit by arrow* .....what the?


Personally, I'm not offended by much at all. I'm also not the kind of person who starts fights in pubs over nothing. These types of people DO exist however.

The issue is that on TV, the "views" being expressed are either in soap operas which are not real, Chat shows where the person expressing the view does not have their name, address, tel. no splashed about. And so on...

Imagine if someone said something on Bungie that an idiot, of the violent type, took offense to. Imagine if that person lived nearby to the offender. Imagine if he turned up after a 5 minute drive and battered the person!!!!

This bill is totally unacceptible. It will put people in danger.

Period - End of - Nuff Said!

  • 03.07.2006 9:06 AM PDT
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Oh, and what happens when someone takes offense to losing at Halo 2 (or any other game) and find the person through their GT to batter tham, just for winning a game and a bit of trash talk!!!

  • 03.07.2006 9:07 AM PDT
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I mean what is the point of this Internet forum bill? What do they hope to accomplish, because I am struggling to find any problem that this legislation will solve.

It's kinda like them pork-barreling the anti-meth legislation into the new version of the Patriot Act. There is a newly introduced clause that limits pseudoephedrine purchases (on the federal level mind you) hidden within the newly reformed Patriot Act.


Whether or not this is a good idea, the question is, wtf does pseudoephedrine have to to with Anti-Terrorism?

Answer: nothing, politicians were simply appeasing their loyal lobbyists by supporting their agenda anyway possible. If that means attaching a rider hidden among thousands of words of some bill that has nothing to do with the rider, so be it.

/ the world is going to hell as we all sit by complacently.

  • 03.07.2006 10:06 AM PDT
Subject: Denominyzing the internet

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I'm sorry guys, but while this may be an interesting topic, the bungie.net forums are not the place to be discussing this stuff. When we say no politics, we mean it.

  • 03.07.2006 10:38 AM PDT